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Was hoping they would start the week off with a bang and reveal some more primus marines/DG/part of the starter contents. The reveal of the models last week was exciting. The stuff we have gotten since...not so much.

 Thargrim wrote:
Was hoping they would start the week off with a bang and reveal some more primus marines/DG/part of the starter contents. The reveal of the models last week was exciting. The stuff we have gotten since...not so much.

If i was a betting man I'd say those would appear at Warhammer Fest this weekend. Would be the most logical place to show them off.

Youn wrote:
if the transport charges you without letting troops out first. Wrap it with your force! Troops getting out of a transport will have to be within 3" of the transport and more then 1" away from any enemy model. Any that cannot deploy will be destroyed. They are going to get out at range or die.

Of course you have NO idea if that is how it works. For all we know you place occupants as close to the vehicles position as possible then pile into the assaulters and treat it as ongoing.

I may have missed it, and I am sorry if I have, but...

Where have they said a roll of "1" is always a fail for saves

It was not that way in age of sigma, which meant super powerful units in cover with magical assistance NEEDED you to put high powered weapons on it.

Also, do we know if cover saves only affect ranged attacks?

A combination of the two would go a long way towards balancing out ranged and melee units in the game. You'd NEED melee to clear even moderately tough units from ruins, and even shoot armies would want more terrain on the table because they'll want the boost to survivability.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Where have they said a roll of "1" is always a fail for saves

It was not that way in age of sigma, which meant super powerful units in cover with magical assistance NEEDED you to put high powered weapons on it.

It is that way in Age of Sigmar if you're using the Matched Play rules in the General's Handbook.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I may have missed it, and I am sorry if I have, but...

Where have they said a roll of "1" is always a fail for saves

It was not that way in age of sigma, which meant super powerful units in cover with magical assistance NEEDED you to put high powered weapons on it.

Also, do we know if cover saves only affect ranged attacks?

A combination of the two would go a long way towards balancing out ranged and melee units in the game. You'd NEED melee to clear even moderately tough units from ruins, and even shoot armies would want more terrain on the table because they'll want the boost to survivability.

3 rules of one have been around for half of that game's life.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Teaseract Arks and Shroud Bombers actually weren't too bad in 6th and near the beginning of 7th. Then we had a few things happen:
1. You couldn't get anything in the Decurion. Which wouldn't have been too bad if:
2. The Decurion was the only way to play Necrons competitively, as:
3. Power Creep got ridiculous. How many people actually complained about the Decurion when everyone started getting stupidly tougher models, free upgrades and vehicles, assaulting from Deep Strike, and ridiculous firepower to boot.

It is a huge chain reaction. The rules for the Tomb Stalker and Sentinel themselves aren't bad, but you can't get anything from them in that format (plus they had ridiculously slow movement).

Fair points about 7th, though the Tesseract Ark took a substantial hit from the QS change anyway. I disagree about 6th though; the Tesseract Ark was at best passable due to AV14 (effectively) plus the better-Executioner Cannon, but at 250 points it was rarely worth taking over 3 Annihilation barges which was the realistic choice at the time at only 270 points. The Shroud bomber was pretty good until people realised that the bombing rules were (and are still) utter garbage, which makes it super easy to block worthwhile bombing runs. Without the bombs, it just became a slightly more durable night Scythe for over 2x the cost, and with no transport capacity. It was also largely outclassed by the Death Scythe anyway. The Tomb Stalker/Sentinels were just rubbish though; I tried them in friendly games and they still got shot off the table T1 every game - T7 W4 3+ is way too fragile. Now, if you want OP things in 6th edition, Acanthrites were utterly insane; mini meltaguns, rending, T5 W3 3+ + stealth - pretty rough. Even stronger at the start of 7th too, before the current Necron codex was released. Likewise, the Death Ray sentry pylon, even without the cheese reading of the rules, was 2 S10 AP1 hits per models under the line, and was the most ridiculous thing to see on a table. It speaks volumes about how good Annihilation Barges and Wraiths were in the old codex that they didn't see more play.

But yeah, then the Eldar codex came out 2 months after the Necron one and pretty much wrecked any potential 7e ever had. Here's hoping that finally in 8th edition Tomb Stalkers and Pylons (the super heavy especially) will be playable.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If the rules are only 12 pages long, I kinda hope they are just in the front of the Grand Alliance books.

Core rules are 12 pages. Looks like missions, game types, and expansions will be in addition to all of that.

That's certainly a good point. That all could add up to one book alone.

Likely to allow people to get their hands on the rules so that people would know what the heck is going on for the first 8th edition WD battle report.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:


So, it begs the question...

If the pre-order is this weekend and release is in 2 weeks from that then why did they push WD back to even later than that?

Wow, you are really wishing! Pre order happening this week is very very unlikely. Many have estimated with the faction focus' and other evidence that June 10th would be the most likely pre order date. If it were this weekend, holy bullocks that is a well kept secret. However, things like May 28th being the GW end fiscal year and Warhammer World closing half of the place off June 12th to 16th for making entirely new displays and dioramas might be a clue too. Also, pre orders are usually a week out from release, and that would place release on June 3rd, a date we have not heard yet...

I'm just asking questions to reconcile the disparities.


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guru wrote:
2th june - new 40k seminar in Uk Games Expo

The New Warhammer 40,000

Day: Friday
Price: £0.00
Start time: 12:00:00 - End Time: 13:00:00
Maximum Players: 300

Description
Learn more about the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 and the exciting developments ahead for the Warhammer community. Field your questions to Games Workshop Studio Head, Pete Foley and Andy Smillie from the Warhammer Community team.

http://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=SEM2980

So what do we think of this? Seems like a dead ringer.

I strongly believe that preorders will be this weekend. Firstly Warhammerfest is this weekend and would be an ideal time to unveil the full release. Secondly we usually know what the weeks preorders are by now. The silence speaks volumes.
Thirdly the aos skirmish battlemat has a two week preorder. Why do this unless you want to fill an empty week between 40k preorder and release?
This Warhammerfest looks like it will finally match the gamesdays of old. I am hoping for hundreds of pics and videos of all the new deathguard and primaris minis.

Chikout wrote:
I strongly believe that preorders will be this weekend. Firstly Warhammerfest is this weekend and would be an ideal time to unveil the full release. Secondly we usually know what the weeks preorders are by now. The silence speaks volumes.
Thirdly the aos skirmish battlemat has a two week preorder. Why do this unless you want to fill an empty week between 40k preorder and release?
This Warhammerfest looks like it will finally match the gamesdays of old. I am hoping for hundreds of pics and videos of all the new deathguard and primaris minis.

The picture of the June 2017 White dwarf says "On Sale Friday June 16 Grim Darkness, Far Future, Only War..." That'd put pre order at either June 2nd or June 9th depending on a 1 week or 2 week pre order to release window. Then we have several other "hard" evidences (faction & other articles look to finish by June 10th, Warhammer World closing section June 12-16 for a major new display reveal June 17, three foriegn WDs pointing to same dates, etc...) that also point to a June 16th release, Then we know all GWs need their new scenery completed by June 10 & employees can't vacation June 10-18.....and that in turn points to a June 2nd or 9th pre ordering most likely... Also May 28th is GW fiscal end, and they want the new fiscal year (pre orders) to get them off to a strong start for the new fiscal year, so they most likely wont say anything until after May 28th....

But hey, I would love love love for it to be sooner!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The picture of the June 2017 White dwarf says "On Sale Friday June 16 Grim Darkness, Far Future, Only War..." That'd put pre order at either June 2nd or June 9th depending on a 1 week or 2 week pre order to release window. Then we have several other "hard" evidences (faction & other articles look to finish by June 10th, Warhammer World closing section June 12-16 for a major new display reveal June 17, three foriegn WDs pointing to same dates, etc...) that also point to a June 16th release, Then we know all GWs need their new scenery completed by June 10 & employees can't vacation June 10-18.....and that in turn points to a June 2nd or 9th pre ordering most likely... Also May 28th is GW fiscal end, and they want the new fiscal year (pre orders) to get them off to a strong start for the new fiscal year, so they most likely wont say anything until after May 28th....

But hey, I would love love love for it to be sooner!

As others have mentioned the biggest source of leaks is WD. A WD pushback doesn't necessarily indicate a release, but possibly an intent to guard against info getting out too early.

Also with this event it will be really, really hard to keep details under wraps.
http://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=SEM2980

Daedalus81 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The picture of the June 2017 White dwarf says "On Sale Friday June 16 Grim Darkness, Far Future, Only War..." That'd put pre order at either June 2nd or June 9th depending on a 1 week or 2 week pre order to release window. Then we have several other "hard" evidences (faction & other articles look to finish by June 10th, Warhammer World closing section June 12-16 for a major new display reveal June 17, three foriegn WDs pointing to same dates, etc...) that also point to a June 16th release, Then we know all GWs need their new scenery completed by June 10 & employees can't vacation June 10-18.....and that in turn points to a June 2nd or 9th pre ordering most likely... Also May 28th is GW fiscal end, and they want the new fiscal year (pre orders) to get them off to a strong start for the new fiscal year, so they most likely wont say anything until after May 28th....

But hey, I would love love love for it to be sooner!

As others have mentioned the biggest source of leaks is WD. A WD pushback doesn't necessarily indicate a release, but possibly an intent to guard against info getting out too early.

Also with this event it will be really, really hard to keep details under wraps.
http://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=SEM2980

Yeah, event is June 2-4. If they announce 8th edition June 2nd, then voila! June 9 or 16 release! Makes my point.

Nobody posted this yet?

rumor say employees can't vacation June 3th to 17th

Today staffmenber are metting to learn about the new 40k.















WD on 16th?



or 9th?

 axisofentropy wrote:
Nobody posted this yet?

What business posted this?

Daedalus81 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Nobody posted this yet?

What business posted this?

allegedly a GW in London. Friend shared on facespace. I can't claim authenticity (don't put me on the rumor tracker!)

more event shops...




but...

THIS IS THE PLACE HOLDER EVENT, ACTUAL DATE WILL BE CORRECTED ONCE ANNOUNCED! MORE INFO COMING SOON!

and

The date is currently tenative and based on the good old rumour mill. To be confirmed as soon as we have confirmation

Ah, the classic "Gotcha, but thanks for paying attention to us for a couple minutes" gag.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Ah, the classic "Gotcha, but thanks for paying attention to us for a couple minutes" gag.

Yep. I assumed as much. It's happened in the past.


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 krazynadechukr wrote:
Yeah, event is June 2-4. If they announce 8th edition June 2nd, then voila! June 9 or 16 release! Makes my point.

The thing is it requires people to read and consume the rules, which means rules prior to or on that date.

I love it when the offical stores need to rely on the rumor mill for their news.

guru wrote:
more event shops...

Spoiler:

It took THIS long for me to notice that the right half of that helmet is a Chaos Space Marine.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

guru wrote:
more event shops...

Spoiler:

It took THIS long for me to notice that the right half of that helmet is a Chaos Space Marine.

And finally the last horse crosses the finish line...

How many factions are left for Faction Focus. If they are doing them every other day, it seems like they might not get through all of them.

So there is no new preorder this weekend.
The only release on the 3rd of June is the aos skirmish playmat.
Are we really going to have a completely empty week on the 10th?
As an aside preorders do not count towards financial results until the sale has been realised (when customers receive the product) so May 27th preorders will go into next year's results.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
How many factions are left for Faction Focus. If they are doing them every other day, it seems like they might not get through all of them.

Here's a LIST of the one's they've done. That leaves 20+ factions still awaiting a writeup.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


How many factions are left for Faction Focus. If they are doing them every other day, it seems like they might not get through all of them.

It really depends if they split them or not.

Ones that are needed are Necrons, Sisters of Battle, GSC, Skitarii/Ad Mech, Space Marines

Dubious categories are Harlequins (sorta covered), Daemonkin (sorta covered), Renegade Knights, Thousand Sons ("officially" covered), Inquisition, Asassins, Custodes, Tempestus, Fallen Angles.

I'm also not sure they would bother to split out DA, SW, and GK.

There are 6 reveals until 6/3 and 9 (10 if you count 6/10). As you can see either they don't cover every granular aspect through 6/10 or they do and it goes well over the release window.

Codex Marines are definitely a single article. Deoending on if the slightly less codex adhering chapters are seperate from main force will determine if they are split off or not.

GK and DW will likely be seperate articles.

Inquistion and Assassins may share an article depending on how they handle the "Forces of the Imperium". Sisters of Silence and Custodes could get rolled into this too since they're painfully small factions with barely any options.

Tempestus may not see an article if they were folded into the Guard completely as an army.

Sisters will likely stand alone due to unique army mechanics and enough units to actually talk about versus the handful from the rest.

Orks of course will run their own show, as will the Space Clowns. Naturally GSC will have their own as well since they weren't mixed into the Nids one.

So assuming the ones that could be clumped are clumped, that leaves like 7 articles, which would come out over 14 days (every other day).

That feels about right, doesn't it?


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Wait, forgot Crons and Cogs. So make that 9 articles and 18 days.

Assuming the Sisters of Battle don't just get Squatted, I'm guessing that they'll just have a couple of units added into a greater 'Imperial Agents' style list, alongside the Inquisition and other Imperial forces.

 Fafnir wrote:
Assuming the Sisters of Battle don't just get Squatted, I'm guessing that they'll just have a couple of units added into a greater 'Imperial Agents' style list, alongside the Inquisition and other Imperial forces.

Sisters have models for sale, and thus wold be under the umbrella of "all current models are getting updated into the new eidtion". I know we like to run that dead horse so far into the ground that it lands on Hell's throne, but it really just needs to stop being a thing.

Sisters were a key faction in the Shield of Baal (even if they didn't new rules or kits) and were a key faction in the Gathering Storm (where we got plastic Celestine and the Wonder Twins in the range as well as a lot of fluff).

No army that is getting axed would be getting so much time in the spotlight. Especially not in a campaign designed to kick off te new edition and get the plot moving again.

Sisters aren't away and anyone who claims that they are is either running a dead meme into the ground or is under some mistaken assumption that the world never changes and things that were forgotten and left to collect dust will always be that way.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I love it when the offical stores need to rely on the rumor mill for their news.

they may be citing rumors to cover their butts when they know the real date. wild guess.