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Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

The Pox Walkers seem much more like Plague Zombies than Chaos Cultists. I'm going to sell on my Death Guard from the starter but will keep these as I love the models and they will be fun to use in Necromunda/SW:A as Plague Zombies!

Woah. WOAH.

Plague Champion can take a Power Fist AND a Plasma Gun?!

....TIME TO CRACK OUT THE PLASMA GUNS.

Plasma gun is awesome! Choose the safe option, or gamble with a 1 in 6 chance of guaranteed damage!
Looks like that is standard of all plasma guns.

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Yep, so much for the Death Guard being trained and equipped to use both Bolter & BP/CCW

because hey, it's not like we're imperials or anything, why would we get rules that match our background?

 Bottle wrote:
The Pox Walkers seem much more like Plague Zombies than Chaos Cultists. I'm going to sell on my Death Guard from the starter but will keep these as I love the models and they will be fun to use in Necromunda/SW:A as Plague Zombies!

I think you will find that they are 100% Plague Zombies, just with updated names due to copyright (just like T'au, Drukhari etc)

Poxwalkers get a 7+ save! Which means (presumably) no save normally, but they do benefit from bonuses like cover, auras, etc. Interesting (and elegant) way of handling things imo.

Charax wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Yep, so much for the Death Guard being trained and equipped to use both Bolter & BP/CCW

because hey, it's not like we're imperials or anything, why would we get rules that match our background?

Meh, the balance part will always make stuff like this not valid, it's more annoying as half of my PMs have knives/bolt pistols in their hands :(
Won't remodel them either, as fluff wise they would have pistols


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Thommy H wrote:
Poxwalkers get a 7+ save! Which means (presumably) no save normally, but they do benefit from bonuses like cover, auras, etc. Interesting (and elegant) way of handling things imo.

Well noticed, that is a very cool way of handling things like cover saves etc.

Thommy H wrote:
Poxwalkers get a 7+ save! Which means (presumably) no save normally, but they do benefit from bonuses like cover, auras, etc. Interesting (and elegant) way of handling things imo.

I mean, just saying save bonuses grant a 6+ if you don't have one would also be elegant...

Also yeah plasma is 1 damage normally, that's a little odd but I guess it's a source of good rend that can scratch anything.

changemod wrote:

Thommy H wrote:
Poxwalkers get a 7+ save! Which means (presumably) no save normally, but they do benefit from bonuses like cover, auras, etc. Interesting (and elegant) way of handling things imo.

I mean, just saying save bonuses grant a 6+ if you don't have one would also be elegant...

Also yeah plasma is 1 damage normally, that's a little odd but I guess it's a source of good rend that can scratch anything.

They don't have a 6+ though. They get no save unless they get a cover save that gives at least +1 to save.

 Rippy wrote:

changemod wrote:

Thommy H wrote:
Poxwalkers get a 7+ save! Which means (presumably) no save normally, but they do benefit from bonuses like cover, auras, etc. Interesting (and elegant) way of handling things imo.

I mean, just saying save bonuses grant a 6+ if you don't have one would also be elegant...

Also yeah plasma is 1 damage normally, that's a little odd but I guess it's a source of good rend that can scratch anything.

They don't have a 6+ though. They get no save unless they get a cover save that gives at least +1 to save.

That's what I said, yes?

Including a clarification in the save stats that bonuses grant you a save if you don't have one would serve the same purpose as a 7+ save.

Hell would lead to less people asking "Why does my model have a 7+ save?" Or "How do I roll a 7+ save?"

move 4" on the poxwalkers.... ouch

 Latro_ wrote:
move 4" on the poxwalkers.... ouch

They are pretty strong as is. Load them up in a Land Raider

Same 4" on Lord of Contagion.

HH news

 Rippy wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
move 4" on the poxwalkers.... ouch

They are pretty strong as is. Load them up in a Land Raider

Same 4" on Lord of Contagion.

I don't think many people are going to spend a land raider on 10 (reskinned) plague zombies.

Given that they have such a short move and no ranged profile, I see them limited to basically backfield screening.

Hmm does that terminator armor mean all termies will have a 4+ stock invuln?

Daedalus81 wrote:
Hmm does that terminator armor mean all termies will have a 4+ stock invuln?

It’s called out as capheract TDA, which is the version that’s S&P with a 4++ now. So I would not make that assumption.

changemod wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
move 4" on the poxwalkers.... ouch

They are pretty strong as is. Load them up in a Land Raider

Same 4" on Lord of Contagion.

I don't think many people are going to spend a land raider on 10 (reskinned) plague zombies.

Given that they have such a short move and no ranged profile, I see them limited to basically backfield screening.

I was kind of joking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Land Raiders could hold more transport capacity now.


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 Nevelon wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
Hmm does that terminator armor mean all termies will have a 4+ stock invuln?

It’s called out as capheract TDA, which is the version that’s S&P with a 4++ now. So I would not make that assumption.

Cataphractii? It appears to give a 4++ though halves your advance roll.

I could see running a couple of plague drones into the middle of an army just to get them to blow up and take a bunch with them.

Relapse wrote:
I could see running a couple of plague drones into the middle of an army just to get them to blow up and take a bunch with them.

Especially need against enemy units that are normally tough to put wounds on.

Relapse wrote:
I could see running a couple of plague drones into the middle of an army just to get them to blow up and take a bunch with them.

Park two or three next to an HQ. Their options are take the shots or kill it and be half killed.

Relapse wrote:
I could see running a couple of plague drones into the middle of an army just to get them to blow up and take a bunch with them.

50% chance of a single mortal wound per unit in range.

It's a nice bit of spite, but it's not strong enough to be a main goal.

 Latro_ wrote:
HH news

Spoiler:

This is excellent news. I did not think they would do it.

Bravo.

changemod wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I could see running a couple of plague drones into the middle of an army just to get them to blow up and take a bunch with them.

50% chance of a single mortal wound per unit in range.

It's a nice bit of spite, but it's not strong enough to be a main goal.

More of a consolation prize

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Doesn't that directly contradict what the Warhammer 40K facebook team said? I think I recall reading a quote of them saying the Primaris marines will be compatible with other shoulder pads in particular Chapter specific molded pads.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Start set =\= later versions of the Primaris.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Not really. The kit will be compatible, the starter won,t be.

Oh cool, theres more Primaris kits coming soon? Did not know that, thanks.

Also maybe make a separate HH thread if there isn't one already, unless it has something to do with new 40k that I missed?


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Doesn't that directly contradict what the Warhammer 40K facebook team said? I think I recall reading a quote of them saying the Primaris marines will be compatible with other shoulder pads in particular Chapter specific molded pads.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Start set =\= later versions of the Primaris.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Not really. The kit will be compatible, the starter won,t be.

Oh cool, theres more Primaris kits coming soon? Did not know that, thanks.

Standard multi-part plastic kits.

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Also, realising the loss of bolt pistols isn't an issue - there's no bonus attack for a pistol anymore and it seems Rapid Fire doesn't prevent charging.

Not too sure on multiple instances of Overwatch and 2D6 charge but if I'm reading correctly the opponent chooses where casualties come from, so theoretically they could just remove the models at the back of the unit.

 Rippy wrote:
Also maybe make a separate HH thread if there isn't one already, unless it has something to do with new 40k that I missed?

You missed that Heresy isn't going to become 8th is 8th news as it pertains to 8th.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Also, realising the loss of bolt pistols isn't an issue - there's no bonus attack for a pistol anymore and it seems Rapid Fire doesn't prevent charging.

Pistols can fire while an enemy is within 1", it would have added utility to the unit for them to switch to BP+ Plague Knife while fighting, and fluffy:

"All his Space Marines were expected by Mortarion to be equally adept with bolter, pistol and close combat weapon, to fight with whatever weapon circumstance dictated." - Index Astartes: Death Guard