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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Great, so we will have to deal with Sisters players bitching about LITERALLY EVERYTHING even sooner. Fantastic.

I swear, every time I come to this thread to read about the latest faction focus or rule snippet, vocal sisters players are grumbling and drowning the discussion. The most popular faction gets its focus and the next few responses are pretty much "but where's the sisters one?"

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I really hope the "predator autocannon" matches the badboy in HH. Heavy 4 would make it a valid configuration.

 Bertock wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So all we have left are Dark Angels, Necrons, Agents of the Imperium, Death Watch, Blood Angels and Grey Knights, right?

Space Wolves, Harlequins and Necrons too

I said Necrons though...


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:
If I were one of the GW community folks and had any say over the order of release of these things I'd be holding back on the Necron and Sister's ones on purpose. Pop some popcorn and watch the fireworks. Marvelous.

I hope the Sisters one comes absolutely last and is written like the awful first article.

From the FB:

But we will bring you an Adepta Sororitas article in the next few days too.

Too bad for you .

What? Good news? About Sisters?

I feel conflicted and confused.

 docdoom77 wrote:
I really hope the "predator autocannon" matches the badboy in HH. Heavy 4 would make it a valid configuration.

I had the same thought as well. Was glad that they called it out as the "predator autocannon" rather then just “autocannon”.

Although with everything getting split fire, I’ll have to revisit my pred preferences.

Adeptus Mechanicus, Thousand Sons

Also, potentially Talons of the Emperor, Legion of the Dammned, Yaniri..

 Nevelon wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I really hope the "predator autocannon" matches the badboy in HH. Heavy 4 would make it a valid configuration.

I had the same thought as well. Was glad that they called it out as the "predator autocannon" rather then just “autocannon”.

Although with everything getting split fire, I’ll have to revisit my pred preferences.

My predator is a Rogue Trader model (for my RT Crimson Fists), so I'm stuck with my loadout and the autocannon, HB loadout was not good in 7th.... but it was very cheap, that will change either way.

From Facebook, about Black Templars and Chapters Tactics:

Hi Tim,
Crusader Squads are certainly still a thing.
We'll see if we can cover specific Chapters after we've done at least an overview of all the main armies first.

changemod wrote:Look on the bright side; That statline for Grav confirmed the other text-only leaks are real by matching up to it.

Also they nerfed the rate of fire slightly, and Grav amps either do nothing or have an effect already included in the profile.

I'll be honest, if the Necron stuff is even close to correct (AP-2 for guns which used to be bolters at no points increase, monolith is a 380 points with a super battle cannon, etc) then I'll be extremely surprised. It would also be pretty frustrating if it does turn out to be true, as it would imply that the Necron play style has been substantially changed and they've sat on it.

ERJAK wrote:Admech/Skiitari, Inq, SoB, BA, DA, SW, Talons, Ynnari, DW.

You're not the only one waiting.

Making it all the more annoying that SM came today. Particularly for mechanicus stuff, it's infuriating that there's been no explanation of how they're going to work without their formations/HQ for skiitari. Ad Mech and Necrons know the least; they don't know anything about their weapons, how their vehicles work, how their forces organise, what any of their special rules referencing old mechanics will do, etc - they're by far the factions which would be the most interesting to discuss. Sisters would then be the most interesting after that, as they've got a whole bunch of unique things. SW/DA/BA are major factions, but beyond "space wolves wolfblaster wolves attack with S8 AP-2 D6 damage instead of removing things from play", they already know way more than most factions as they share the statlines with marine ones we've already seen.

As for other people complaining about people excited to see something on their faction because they've got theirs - feel free to browse one of the many other threads on DakkaDakka. Please.

 docdoom77 wrote:
I really hope the "predator autocannon" matches the badboy in HH. Heavy 4 would make it a valid configuration.

I dunno, AM have the twin-linked autocannon battletank which would now be H4 due to the new twin-linked rule. In 7th Predators where actually a better choice for an AM commander due to their lower cost, hopefully it won't be the same in 8th

 Nevelon wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I really hope the "predator autocannon" matches the badboy in HH. Heavy 4 would make it a valid configuration.

I had the same thought as well. Was glad that they called it out as the "predator autocannon" rather then just “autocannon”.

Although with everything getting split fire, I’ll have to revisit my pred preferences.

Ooo, I didn't notice that. Might dig out the Annihilator I've got knocking about somewhere. Although I do wish it had las sponsons for proper old-school cred.

 zedmeister wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Great, so we will have to deal with Sisters players bitching about LITERALLY EVERYTHING even sooner. Fantastic.

I swear, every time I come to this thread to read about the latest faction focus or rule snippet, vocal sisters players are grumbling and drowning the discussion. The most popular faction gets its focus and the next few responses are pretty much "but where's the sisters one?"

Try sifting through the Facebook posts. Sisters area actually the least vocal of the groups begging to be next.

So many posts about "me next!"

The stuff we have here, and even the stuff I've posted here has been tame in comparison to that level of drek to wade through.

Thing people forget that for Sisters players, we're just as in character in our fanatical devotion as some Ork players are when they bellow their Waaaaaaaghs.

That said, my Sisters are taking a break for now because I await plastics but I still am interested in the rules and if there are any hints on which direction the army will go design-wise in the future. But I hold that interest for all the armies.

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Actually On Topic

Not alot of new info - Grav Cannon seems more palatable

Justyn wrote:
Rhinos are 70pts....

Isolated pt costs don't help much.

Eyjio wrote:

changemod wrote:

Spoiler:

Look on the bright side; That statline for Grav confirmed the other text-only leaks are real by matching up to it.

Also they nerfed the rate of fire slightly, and Grav amps either do nothing or have an effect already included in the profile.

I'll be honest, if the Necron stuff is even close to correct (AP-2 for guns which used to be bolters at no points increase, monolith is a 380 points with a super battle cannon, etc) then I'll be extremely surprised. It would also be pretty frustrating if it does turn out to be true, as it would imply that the Necron play style has been substantially changed and they've sat on it.

ERJAK wrote:Admech/Skiitari, Inq, SoB, BA, DA, SW, Talons, Ynnari, DW.

You're not the only one waiting.

Making it all the more annoying that SM came today. Particularly for mechanicus stuff, it's infuriating that there's been no explanation of how they're going to work without their formations/HQ for skiitari. Ad Mech and Necrons know the least; they don't know anything about their weapons, how their vehicles work, how their forces organise, what any of their special rules referencing old mechanics will do, etc - they're by far the factions which would be the most interesting to discuss. Sisters would then be the most interesting after that, as they've got a whole bunch of unique things. SW/DA/BA are major factions, but beyond "space wolves wolfblaster wolves attack with S8 AP-2 D6 damage instead of removing things from play", they already know way more than most factions as they share the statlines with marine ones we've already seen.

As for other people complaining about people excited to see something on their faction because they've got theirs - feel free to browse one of the many other threads on DakkaDakka. Please.

The change to grav is interesting. Make it a reasonable choice against light vehicles and weaker MCs while not being unreasonable against horde units. It really shines against low save models like Terminators and Inceptors with the extra damage potential, weakening of their saves and HB strength.

I can see it being relegated to an elite unit hunter with light duty against other stuff going forward.

 Bertock wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So all we have left are Dark Angels, Necrons, Agents of the Imperium, Death Watch, Blood Angels and Grey Knights, right?

Space Wolves, Harlequins and Necrons too

And Talons of the Emperor. (Confirmed as a faction by the Index covers.)

So the Smoke Launcher on the Chaos Land Raider states "Once per game, instead of shooting any weapons in the Shooting phase, a Chaos Land Raider can use its Smoke Launchers..."

The Advancing section of the leaked rulebook pages state "A unit that Advances can't shoot or charge later that turn."

Does that mean if you Advance, you can't use a Smoke Launcher?

 flakpanzer wrote:
So the Smoke Launcher on the Chaos Land Raider states "Once per game, instead of shooting any weapons in the Shooting phase, a Chaos Land Raider can use its Smoke Launchers..."

The Advancing section of the leaked rulebook pages state "A unit that Advances can't shoot or charge later that turn."

Does that mean if you Advance, you can't use a Smoke Launcher?

It's not a weapon or shooting attack, so why can't you?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The change to grav is interesting. Make it a reasonable choice against light vehicles and weaker MCs while not being unreasonable against horde units. It really shines against low save models like Terminators and Inceptors with the extra damage potential, weakening of their saves and HB strength.

I can see it being relegated to an elite unit hunter with light duty against other stuff going forward.

I’m interested to see how it compares to plasma. Right now we’ve seen the heavy grav and the regular plasma. In 7th plasma is a similar role, but 2nd fiddle to grav in almost all cases. I think now grav might be better vs tough, but still normal-ish things, while plasma is better vs big tough monsters.

But time will tell.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 flakpanzer wrote:
So the Smoke Launcher on the Chaos Land Raider states "Once per game, instead of shooting any weapons in the Shooting phase, a Chaos Land Raider can use its Smoke Launchers..."

The Advancing section of the leaked rulebook pages state "A unit that Advances can't shoot or charge later that turn."

Does that mean if you Advance, you can't use a Smoke Launcher?

It's not a weapon or shooting attack, so why can't you?

I thought the same thing when I read it. Advancing, then popping smoke seem like a great tactic to get in position. Another guy in my gaming group vehemently disagrees, though.

Because you technically already gave up the ability to shoot. It wouldn't make sense that you could give it up twice.

I'm disappointed Grav Cannons are heavy 4. I always felt that it was it's RoF that was the main problem with it.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
I'm disappointed Grav Cannons are heavy 4. I always felt that it was it's RoF that was the main problem with it.

Well, it looks like they ditched salvo as a weapon type, so heavy 4 seems a decent replacement.

I wonder what other previously salvo weapons will end up at? Looks like they opened up the Rapid Fire type to allow more shots. But should grav guns be rapid fire 2? Seems a bit much. Probably the closest match though.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
I'm disappointed Grav Cannons are heavy 4. I always felt that it was it's RoF that was the main problem with it.

At least it doesn't re-roll wounds or immobilizes vehicles anymore!

Grav was always going to be changed to Rapid Fire or Heavy with the loss of Salvo. Centurians will likely have a rule to negate moving and shooting heavy weapons at -1.

Remember, we have no idea how much grav costs now compared to other things. Until we see some points or how it looks on cents. I am glad we might get actual comparable kit out options.

According to FB The Grav Cannon Stats also includes the effects of what was the Grav Amp.

Amp probably causes the d3 damage then

Just had a random though with SM bikers and new shooting rules

guess you can now:
fire a plasmagun and the twin linked bolters, which now give you 4 shots at 12" - 6 shots a model