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2017/05/31 21:19:48
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
To be fair, the 3ed codex was 13 years ago. Its easy to forget a detail like that.
Saying there's no Death Guard terminators is silly though.
I mean, what does Typhus Wear? Not-Terminator armor?
What I have
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2017/05/31 21:20:38
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Admech + Ork leaks + much more(all info in OP)
It lists what units can have Death Guard as their Legion key word. Notice that Chosen, Chaos Terminators and Havocs are not there. Nor are Warpsmiths, Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Raptors, Bikes, Heldrakes.....
Yep. They listed the currently available models that fit the Death Guard army. Terminators are already known to be coming. Why would they give you old termies and then take them away to add new ones?
Sorry to say that if you want bikes and other crap - you're not playing Death Guard. That's not what Death Guard is. Look at Thousand Sons. I don't get everything either.
Ah. Let's see.
Chosen = Veterans. Are Veterans appropriate to Death Guard? Yes, yes they are. They're the closest we have to a bodyguard unit.
Terminators - 'Oh, you're getting new Terminators, why would they give you the current ones? Not like Death Guard Terminators have ever existed before.' Huh.
Havocs - Oh Havocs aren't Death Guard. They've NEVER released Death Guard Havocs. EVER. Not once.
And for the last time, when the Death Guard codex comes out you'll probably get those things. This is to just hold you off until the codex comes out and you can get some games in.
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vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2017/05/31 21:20:52
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
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1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
2017/05/31 21:21:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
Stus67 wrote: Is it just me or can you not give veterans carapace armor anymore? Or change armor in general like on the Inquisitors.
Yep. No carapace for IG veterans or characters, no artificer armour for marine captains and no power armour for inquisitors (probably rendering most inquisitor models people have unusable.)
gak IG veterans got a huge nerf, no special rules anymore on them and they can't take carapace. I have to ask didn't GW PR dude say they would not remove rules for models already in the game, but my IG the Vendetta, priest and platoon command squads have been removed.
Priest is in the SoB list and buffs both.
Ah thanks Yay still have priests!
2017/05/31 21:24:42
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Admech + Ork leaks + much more(all info in OP)
It lists what units can have Death Guard as their Legion key word. Notice that Chosen, Chaos Terminators and Havocs are not there. Nor are Warpsmiths, Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Raptors, Bikes, Heldrakes.....
Yep. They listed the currently available models that fit the Death Guard army. Terminators are already known to be coming. Why would they give you old termies and then take them away to add new ones?
Sorry to say that if you want bikes and other crap - you're not playing Death Guard. That's not what Death Guard is. Look at Thousand Sons. I don't get everything either.
Ah. Let's see.
Chosen = Veterans. Are Veterans appropriate to Death Guard? Yes, yes they are. They're the closest we have to a bodyguard unit.
Terminators - 'Oh, you're getting new Terminators, why would they give you the current ones? Not like Death Guard Terminators have ever existed before.' Huh.
Havocs - Oh Havocs aren't Death Guard. They've NEVER released Death Guard Havocs. EVER. Not once.
You can always just be patient and wait for the rest of the Death Guard stuff we know is coming.
I'm really curious how many games that someone could be expected to play during the time that we're expecting the release, and exactly how much psychic strife would result from those games having a model holding a Lascannon be slightly miscategorized from an ideal vision on the army sheet.
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2017/05/31 21:26:14
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
So the Avatar of Tzeentch can't cast Tzeentch spells ? Yeeah right. Way to go GW ... here is hoping for some change to that with an faction-battletome-of-40k-1ksons, but who am i kidding.
Gonna check with my meta about that saturday, as i am not going to play tournaments anyway.
I aim at something like pick tzeentch / heretic without roll, if mixed must roll which one. Why they did not do that for Magnus is beyond me.
2017/05/31 21:30:30
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Admech + Ork leaks + much more(all info in OP)
We saw half these images nearly 3 months ago. That's a bloody strange definition of soon. That's a hell of a time to wait without something that's been a core of your army for the last two decades.
Well maybe they've been waiting for something inconsequential; perhaps the release of the edition of the game the new codex pertains to?
2017/05/31 21:31:02
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
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2017/05/31 21:33:01
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
Yea but some of us don't care about death guard, and what is or isnt death guard being bickered about and dominating the thread. If its that big a deal, make a new thread about it please
2017/05/31 21:33:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
That's exactly what I'm waiting for
How long do you all think it'll be before we see a Codex?
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2017/05/31 21:33:56
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
Stus67 wrote: Is it just me or can you not give veterans carapace armor anymore? Or change armor in general like on the Inquisitors.
Noticed the same thing. It's not even possible to give your company commander different armour either.
To be fair i seriously dont think there was ever a model for carapace so i can see why. there might of been one in the ye old days but now its the same flak armor for everyone.
We saw half these images nearly 3 months ago. That's a bloody strange definition of soon. That's a hell of a time to wait without something that's been a core of your army for the last two decades.
Well maybe they've been waiting for something inconsequential; perhaps the release of the edition of the game the new codex pertains to?
The idea of a stopgap list is to bide people over until a proper release so they can use their existing army to play. Why remove units from a stopgap list? That's somewhat contrary to its purpose is it not? Especially when it has already been shown that those existing units were staples of the list in the first place. And perhaps, you once more missed the point.
It's been 3+ months - seeing those images doesn't equal Soon. It could be another three months before things are even released. Hell, we've seen things in previews and teasers that weren't even released when the release came about. Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last.
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2017/05/31 21:39:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
Nactor wrote: So the Avatar of Tzeentch can't cast Tzeentch spells ? Yeeah right. Way to go GW ... here is hoping for some change to that with an faction-battletome-of-40k-1ksons, but who am i kidding.
Gonna check with my meta about that saturday, as i am not going to play tournaments anyway.
I aim at something like pick tzeentch / heretic without roll, if mixed must roll which one. Why they did not do that for Magnus is beyond me.
True (and he even has the Daemon keyword). Still, it'd be very hard to pass up the 32" total movement Magnus can get from Warptime.
2017/05/31 21:44:33
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
Need those FW books!
2017/05/31 21:45:13
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
You know... you can run them as Inquisitors without power armour...
I have a problem with that! (Regarding my own models I mean.) I'm kinda neurotic about WYSIWYG.
Besides, the armour is just one part of gutting the options. Inquisition lost a huge amount of gear. And what's the most absurd thing, you can no longer equip an inquisitor with a melee weapon and any non-pistol shooting weapon, rendering many inquisitor models, including some of the models GW currently sells, illegal!
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The idea of a stopgap list is to bide people over until a proper release so they can use their existing army to play. Why remove units from a stopgap list? That's somewhat contrary to its purpose is it not? Especially when it has already been shown that those existing units were staples of the list in the first place. And perhaps, you once more missed the point.
It's been 3+ months - seeing those images doesn't equal Soon. It could be another three months before things are even released. Hell, we've seen things in previews and teasers that weren't even released when the release came about. Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last.
Which would piss you off more though; them disallowing units that they plan to replace with new ones in a new codex, or allowing you to use your existing units and then saying you must replace them with new units out of the blue? Also, if the codex was leaked 3 months ago, then surely they are ready to release it at pretty much any time.
2017/05/31 21:49:01
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Admech + Ork leaks + much more(all info in OP)
We saw half these images nearly 3 months ago. That's a bloody strange definition of soon. That's a hell of a time to wait without something that's been a core of your army for the last two decades.
Well maybe they've been waiting for something inconsequential; perhaps the release of the edition of the game the new codex pertains to?
The idea of a stopgap list is to bide people over until a proper release so they can use their existing army to play. Why remove units from a stopgap list? That's somewhat contrary to its purpose is it not? Especially when it has already been shown that those existing units were staples of the list in the first place. And perhaps, you once more missed the point.
Because if GW wants to have a new unit called Putrifiers (or whatever) be the new Death Guard equivalent of Havocs, and they give DG access to Havocs in the index but replace them with Putrifiers in the new book, then there's inconsistent information between the codex and the index. Better to remove them now and give access later than give them access in one list and not the other.
It's been 3+ months - seeing those images doesn't equal Soon. It could be another three months before things are even released. Hell, we've seen things in previews and teasers that weren't even released when the release came about. Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last.
And we could all get hit by a bus tomorrow and it won't matter whether we had the perfect setup for our toys tomorrow or in three months.
2017/05/31 21:49:02
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
Need those FW books!
They FW books might be the Saving Grace - if they do things for all their kits. Might mean the upgrade kits = datasheets.
Now only a CSM player.
2017/05/31 21:49:04
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
What further leaks do you want? It's all already been leaked. All the Indexes. And the core rulebook. There's plenty of links on the thread.
I mean, unless you really are waiting to see the inside cover of the books....
God forbid I come to a news and rumors thread looking for news and rumors.
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1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
2017/05/31 21:49:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
= Epic First Post.
2017/05/31 21:59:26
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
Nightlord1987 wrote: So, Area of effect from characters don't work on the characters themselves?
This is not correct. Ignore anyone who says this. Really.
This has been covered before many times.
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2017/05/31 22:01:06
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 31 May 2017: Full Index Leaks/Ultramar WZ/Necron focus in OP
EnTyme wrote: Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.
... what more leaks are people waiting for at this point?
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1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze 
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps 
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