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Catachans I've never liked the look of them. I've also never met anyone who plays them in person. Seriously out of all the various imperial guard factions they could of kept (steel legion, iron guard, or valhallan) they had to stick with the wannabe Nam marines.

Ether give it decent rules or axe the Pyrovore...Put the poor thing out of our misery.

 Boniface wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

I understand Tau, lots of people hate the look, but Eldar? They've been here since the beginning.

I basically agree with everything space wolves. I have never liked them from day 1 in the hobby (1990s) but more the latest stupidity I.e. wolf riders.

I don't really like orks either, everything about them seems silly. Everyone else in the grimdark is all grim, dark, and serious space wolves and orks do feel a little out of place in their over the top nature.

The eldar line is an unfortunate reminder that their idea of what's "Thematically fitting" is actually only based on the game's most recent era, when the creators who understood that the foundation of "Grimdark" - works like Robocop, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Judge Dredd and Canticle for Liebowitz - were ultimately comedic, retired and turned the reigns over to morons who turn a story with characters named things like "Lion El'Johnson" and "Corvus Corax" into a serious drama.

Anything that's not Super Srs is now derided as "not fitting with the setting" and should be removed. I'll let you in on a secret: A giant suit of armor so ludicrously up-gunned and plated that it looks like the wearer would be completely unable to move (the Centurion suits everyone hates) is much more thematically appropriate in a Grimdark setting than a shiny, golden, pristine and elegant looking perfect robot suit (the new Centurion dreadnoughts that everyone seems to love.)

my 2 cents on models that are are stupid in concept that should be trashed:

Wulfen
Thunderwolves
the Santa Sled
Centurions
Skulldozer
Hellbrute

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Models that I think need to be reworked:

Orikan, which has an awful head sculpt
Abbadon, which I presume is already in the works
Taurox, as everyone else says
Shokk Attack Gun (head only, which is just really poorly done)
GK Baby Carrier - I think this is good in concept but looks goofy.
Catachans, which really just need to be updated a bit.

[Insert You Favorite Army Here] should be taken out of the game!

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:


Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

There is nothing impractical about chainsaws fixed to the end of every weapon imaginable. It makes everything Dead-Killy-er

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
The Sled. Y'all know the one.

While I normally would think none, this. The sled.

The ugly rocket-T-Rex, Stormsurge.

And Centurions.

All the abominations have a fond position in some people's forces. I wouldn't ban any of them.

I would re-write the rules and perhaps release new models for them however. Better ones.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:


Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

There is nothing impractical about chainsaws fixed to the end of every weapon imaginable. It makes everything Dead-Killy-er

I just feel they need more justification than 'it's a really sharp chainsaw'

the_scotsman wrote:

 Boniface wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

I understand Tau, lots of people hate the look, but Eldar? They've been here since the beginning.

I basically agree with everything space wolves. I have never liked them from day 1 in the hobby (1990s) but more the latest stupidity I.e. wolf riders.

I don't really like orks either, everything about them seems silly. Everyone else in the grimdark is all grim, dark, and serious space wolves and orks do feel a little out of place in their over the top nature.

The eldar line is an unfortunate reminder that their idea of what's "Thematically fitting" is actually only based on the game's most recent era, when the creators who understood that the foundation of "Grimdark" - works like Robocop, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Judge Dredd and Canticle for Liebowitz - were ultimately comedic, retired and turned the reigns over to morons who turn a story with characters named things like "Lion El'Johnson" and "Corvus Corax" into a serious drama.

Anything that's not Super Srs is now derided as "not fitting with the setting" and should be removed. I'll let you in on a secret: A giant suit of armor so ludicrously up-gunned and plated that it looks like the wearer would be completely unable to move (the Centurion suits everyone hates) is much more thematically appropriate in a Grimdark setting than a shiny, golden, pristine and elegant looking perfect robot suit (the new Centurion dreadnoughts that everyone seems to love.)

This nails the "grimdark is srs bizness" vs "Hey, remember when Orks had a foot template?" perfectly. As a 23 year vet who learned to paint everything over a white undercoat, the darkening of 40K has always perplexed me.

Orks are supposed to be both dangerous and ridiculous. Marines are supposed to be over-the-top in their "Imma good guy 4sure" righteousness. They fight with chainsaws for Christ's sake! Noise Marines had GUITARS!

Find the fun, that's my advice.

 jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

Why not. I've still shelved my Eldar.
In the current edition it seems that FNP is almost everywhere. Let FNP go to a large extent.

remember when FnP was a 20-40 point upgrade only certain units had access to?

ah those were the good times.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

I don't know, I thought they were the perfect warning for what people were getting into with 40k.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

I don't know, I thought they were the perfect warning for what people were getting into with 40k.

I would be sad if they removed the melee component of 40K. It's space fantasy!

Whoever names the Space Wolves' stuff should be trashed - pretty sure they're not a model but they should still keep their hands out of codex development.
I purchased Santa Clawz sleigh to put bells and antlers on him as a laugh - still think the model is stupid. I also have no love for the "Wolf head" flyers that look like basketball shoes.

Admittedly my Blood Claws are Ultra Smurfs with Space Wolf bolt pistols and my Grey Hunters are 50% Horus Heresy and 50% AoS Chaos Warriors with Bolters, Backpacks and Helmets.

I adore Thunderwolf Cavalry.

I actually like my Wulfen minus the Villiage People posed one who lives displayed on my FLGS shelf along with M, C and A - a Crisis Suit, Wraithguard with two swords and a Dreadknight representing four of the stupidest models ever created.

For what I'd like to see "left behind" I'd point at Superheavies, flying Superheavies, GMCs and Flying GMCs.
Bring back Apocalypse.

 3orangewhips wrote:

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

I don't know, I thought they were the perfect warning for what people were getting into with 40k.

I would be sad if they removed the melee component of 40K. It's space fantasy!

I'm not saying do away with the melee part, I'm just saying Chain weapons

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 3orangewhips wrote:

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Also, I think Chain weapons need to be done away with, they just don't seem practical, I know this is a fictional setting but chain weapons always seem to irk me

I don't know, I thought they were the perfect warning for what people were getting into with 40k.

I would be sad if they removed the melee component of 40K. It's space fantasy!

I'm not saying do away with the melee part, I'm just saying Chain weapons

Some you mean do away with one of the few weapons that are actually feasible in real life?

How are big stupid force field covered fists, guns that shoot razor-sharp nets, bio guns that fire bugs that somehow don't splatter on impact that eat through armor, dreadnoughts that would never walk in real life, vehicles that would tear themselves apart if they tried to move, big stupid klaw arms, super humans who spit acid and don't wear helmets in space (because force fields around the ship yo), or even military forces fighting in hand to hand in the far future any better? Chain weapons seem to be like auto and lasguns, cheap and easy to make, and get the job done. I would rather be wielding a chain sword over a normal sword/knife when facing the horrors of the 41st millennium.

They are far more silly things to hate than chain weapons.

Not to mention that chainswords are probably the most iconic 40k weapon next to the bolter.

Blood Angels Tactical Squad

 Luciferian wrote:
Not to mention that chainswords are probably the most iconic 40k weapon next to the bolter.

Right! And I don't hear people complaining about the bolter, I love the thing but it is so impractical. It's .75 caliber straight wall cased, diamond tipped rocket rounds would have terrible ballistics. It would most likely not ever accurately hit much beyond like 200 yards. The damned round is so heavy it would drop like a brick, there is a reason we don't use straight walled cartridges or even rocket ammunition (gyro jet abortion), in military small arms. If anything, the bolter should have a minimum range before the rounds hit their peak speed. Shoot, you shouldn't be able to kill even a Guardsman within like 3" with it. And what is with the unnecessary 4 round burst, other than rule of cool.

I don't play 40k for realism, I play it for silly space opera battles. If I wanted realistic futuristic battles, it would be a game of drones shooting each other from obscene distances away. I will take a game where unnecessarily huge amounts of slaves power space ships, and point blank broadsides are the norm over that though. In the far future there is almost no need to even field armies, especially ones that almost all fight super close range engagements.

 Luciferian wrote:
Not to mention that chainswords are probably the most iconic 40k weapon next to the bolter.

They might be iconic, but they effectively do nothing.

How about updating some things instead of deleting old stuff to make shelf space for naked dwarves and five different sets of box art on the Space Marine vehicle kits? Come on. All the tanks in the game have been around since 3e, and we still don't have plastic Aspects.

 General Kroll wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

I play Space Wolves. I wish I could play a game without a joke about needing rabies shots. What happened to being badass space vikings?

Wolfwolfs and Fangfangs, and Thunderwolves, and Grimnar's Sleigh, are all extremely silly.

Agreed. This stuff is the only reason why I'm not returning to 8th as a Space Wolves player.

My understanding is that Imperial Fists are closest without the sillyness, but not sure I hate myself enough to paint the 30k yellow/black color scheme. Might just do Dark Angels.

There's nothing stopping you building a Viking themed Space Wolf Army. You don't have to go the full wolfening.

Yes but would it be still effective? Would it be as effective as a Dark Angels army that uses Deathwing and/or Ravenwing? Or even as effective as a basic Space Marine army?

The problem is that the silly stuff in the Space Wolves are also what gives them their main strength ATM. 8th might change this, and I hope it does, but otherwise I wouldn't know where to start in building a good wolf-less Space Wolf army.

Arcanis161 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

I play Space Wolves. I wish I could play a game without a joke about needing rabies shots. What happened to being badass space vikings?

Wolfwolfs and Fangfangs, and Thunderwolves, and Grimnar's Sleigh, are all extremely silly.

Agreed. This stuff is the only reason why I'm not returning to 8th as a Space Wolves player.

My understanding is that Imperial Fists are closest without the sillyness, but not sure I hate myself enough to paint the 30k yellow/black color scheme. Might just do Dark Angels.

There's nothing stopping you building a Viking themed Space Wolf Army. You don't have to go the full wolfening.

Yes but would it be still effective? Would it be as effective as a Dark Angels army that uses Deathwing and/or Ravenwing? Or even as effective as a basic Space Marine army?

The problem is that the silly stuff in the Space Wolves are also what gives them their main strength ATM. 8th might change this, and I hope it does, but otherwise I wouldn't know where to start in building a good wolf-less Space Wolf army.

It's also the stuff that makes them different, unusual and fun.
If you want Space Vikings but have an allergy to dogs build a Dark Angels army and claim they're Valkyrie Marines from the planet Honda.

I'd rather update and make more metals into plastic sets.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

I play Space Wolves. I wish I could play a game without a joke about needing rabies shots. What happened to being badass space vikings?

Wolfwolfs and Fangfangs, and Thunderwolves, and Grimnar's Sleigh, are all extremely silly.

Agreed. This stuff is the only reason why I'm not returning to 8th as a Space Wolves player.

My understanding is that Imperial Fists are closest without the sillyness, but not sure I hate myself enough to paint the 30k yellow/black color scheme. Might just do Dark Angels.

There's nothing stopping you building a Viking themed Space Wolf Army. You don't have to go the full wolfening.

Yes but would it be still effective? Would it be as effective as a Dark Angels army that uses Deathwing and/or Ravenwing? Or even as effective as a basic Space Marine army?

The problem is that the silly stuff in the Space Wolves are also what gives them their main strength ATM. 8th might change this, and I hope it does, but otherwise I wouldn't know where to start in building a good wolf-less Space Wolf army.

It's also the stuff that makes them different, unusual and fun.
If you want Space Vikings but have an allergy to dogs build a Dark Angels army and claim they're Valkyrie Marines from the planet Honda.

I'd be ok losing the Space Viking theme. The Space Inuit-Prussians sound fun enough, even if the paint scheme is hard. I also might not mind the Secretive Knights either.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
I'd rather update and make more metals into plastic sets.

That isn't what this thread it about.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
How about updating some things instead of deleting old stuff to make shelf space for naked dwarves and five different sets of box art on the Space Marine vehicle kits? Come on. All the tanks in the game have been around since 3e, and we still don't have plastic Aspects.

Again, not what the thread is about. Just because some things need an update, doesn't mean that centurions ever should have existed

I also am gonna add catachans to this list for me. I never really liked their look

I love old Hammer. They should bring things back instead. All the way back