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Magnus is:

Ws 2+, Bs 2+, S8, T7, W 18 and 3+ 4++ rerolling 1's.
Movement 16 with Fly and will no doubt cast warp-time n himself, granting him 32 movement.

Also has reroll 1's to hit.

Can cast and deny 3 spell and gets +2 to his cast and deny rolls at full wounds.

And also an absolute monster in melee: 7 A, S16!, ap-4, 3 dmg. If the 1K sons player had paid the points for it and he kills a character, he can summon a Spawn.

So yea....

Doctoralex wrote:
Magnus is:

Ws 2+, Bs 2+, S8, T7, W 18 and 3+ 4++ rerolling 1's.
Movement 16 with Fly and will no doubt cast warp-time n himself, granting him 32 movement.

Also has reroll 1's to hit.

Can cast and deny 3 spell and gets +2 to his cast and deny rolls at full wounds.

And also an absolute monster in melee: 7 A, S16!, ap-4, 3 dmg. If the 1K sons player had paid the points for it and he kills a character, he can summon a Spawn.

So yea....

How many points is he?

Re-rolling ones on any saves or just ++?

vipoid wrote:How many points is he?

As much as 4 naked Coteaz and an astropath.

Razerous wrote:Re-rolling ones on any saves or just ++?

Only ++, but they have a power which gives +1 to ++ saves.



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By the way, if i read it correctly, that power would negate his aura reroll since he would no longer roll any 1's.

Spoletta wrote:

vipoid wrote:How many points is he?

As much as 4 naked Coteaz and an astropath.

Razerous wrote:Re-rolling ones on any saves or just ++?

Only ++, but they have a power which gives +1 to ++ saves.

A slightly less oblique reference.. maybe in relation to your standard basic loadout hellhound?

As for the save.. each of those wyverns do 1.5 wounds assuming he doesn't have the buffed save. Otherwise its 1 wound. Roughly.

So cheap massed non-str 3 shooting. Or mortal wounds, probably the most cost-effective methods.

4 Hellhounds, with one equipped with a multi melta.

Maybe not multi-meltas, but a couple of meltas on some guardsman/vets isn't a bad idea.

Still wounds Magnus on 3+ and there's only so many 3++ rerolling 1's he can make. Then a successful wound will do 2D6 take the highest dmg, chomping off a fair amount of wounds.

If he takes the 3++ he cannot reroll 1's.

Wait, don't you reroll THEN apply modifiers?

Asking for a friend, but which do you guys believe would add more impact to a list, in a vacuum, all else being equal...

1. 1 Tempestor Prime with a Plasma Scion Command Squad

or

2. Taking Yarrick to hang out in back and give his re-roll 1's to a group of three Earth-Shakers, and three Quad Heavy Mortars?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Asking for a friend, but which do you guys believe would add more impact to a list, in a vacuum, all else being equal...

1. 1 Tempestor Prime with a Plasma Scion Command Squad

or

2. Taking Yarrick to hang out in back and give his re-roll 1's to a group of three Earth-Shakers, and three Quad Heavy Mortars?

Yarrick is too big of an investment just for rerolling 1s to hit. Take Harker instead. Yarrick does so much more, and you pay for it. That saves you 80 points.

I've been rolling with Yarrick. Maybe not the most competitive but a pretty cool dude. Still not sure about his Iron Will.


Say he gets killed. Does he come back on a 3 negating the rest of the wounds?

 rhinoceraids wrote:
I've been rolling with Yarrick. Maybe not the most competitive but a pretty cool dude. Still not sure about his Iron Will.


Say he gets killed. Does he come back on a 3 negating the rest of the wounds?

Hmm. That's a good question. If you hit Yarrick with a lascannon for 6 damage, do you have to roll the 3+ save 3 times, or once?

I would assume it would be 3 times. Each of those damage is taking one of his Wounds away. Lose 3 wounds, then on wound 4, you roll a 3+, then again, then again. Because its referencing HIS wound loss, not the incoming damage.

This is GW's fault for keeping previous edition Wounds and Damage terminology, with weird overlaps.

Roll a D6 each time his last wound is lost. On a 3+ that wound is not lost.

Seems like its past tense and works like the old rule. He dies, shots are finished. And he comes back. (3+)

It significantly changes the utility of him.

I've been using him as just a 3+ and that's it. It never even occurred to me about multiple damage wounds ... Thinking about it more I'm pretty sure it's just supposed to be after his last wound is lost, it doesn't read like any of the FNP equivalents and you can't lose your last wound more than once due to multiple damage, right?

Doesn't the rulebook say something about excess damage being "lost"?

Thats what Im thinking now. But I think we're biased.

Still. Last wound. What happens what something loses its last wound. Shooting/combat hits stop.

But it goes back to present tense when it says that "that wound is not lost"

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Asking for a friend, but which do you guys believe would add more impact to a list, in a vacuum, all else being equal...

1. 1 Tempestor Prime with a Plasma Scion Command Squad

or

2. Taking Yarrick to hang out in back and give his re-roll 1's to a group of three Earth-Shakers, and three Quad Heavy Mortars?

We'd have to see the rest of his list to see what needs beefing. It sounds like he's got a decent Artillery section, but how many Counter-attack/Objective-grabbing units like scions does he already have?

Harker is cheaper than Commissar Yarrick and gives a reroll 1s to hit effect, but only works if you are using the CATACHAN keyword.

Id use harker. But I painted 50 cadians in the quintessential cadian theme and I can't bring myself to say "These obviously cadian tanks and infantry are actually catachan."

 rhinoceraids wrote:
Id use harker. But I painted 50 cadians in the quintessential cadian theme and I can't bring myself to say "These obviously cadian tanks and infantry are actually catachan."

Catachans are sneaky like that!

 rhinoceraids wrote:
Id use harker. But I painted 50 cadians in the quintessential cadian theme and I can't bring myself to say "These obviously cadian tanks and infantry are actually catachan."

See, you're going the wrong direction with this. I gave Harker a Cadian helmet and shoulder pad. He is now Sgt Barker.

It should be noted that Yarrick's buff boosts things like auxilia and scions (think more Taurox Primes than the Scions themselves) since theyre astra militarum too whereas harker cant. He is also the only way to make Pask reroll 1's best as I can tell. I'm seriously considering taking both to make the entire gunline reroll 1's.

RogueApiary wrote:

 rhinoceraids wrote:
Id use harker. But I painted 50 cadians in the quintessential cadian theme and I can't bring myself to say "These obviously cadian tanks and infantry are actually catachan."

See, you're going the wrong direction with this. I gave Harker a Cadian helmet and shoulder pad. He is now Sgt Barker.

It should be noted that Yarrick's buff boosts things like auxilia and scions (think more Taurox Primes than the Scions themselves) since theyre astra militarum too whereas harker cant. He is also the only way to make Pask reroll 1's best as I can tell. I'm seriously considering taking both to make the entire gunline reroll 1's.

Not a bad idea!

RogueApiary wrote:

 rhinoceraids wrote:
Id use harker. But I painted 50 cadians in the quintessential cadian theme and I can't bring myself to say "These obviously cadian tanks and infantry are actually catachan."

See, you're going the wrong direction with this. I gave Harker a Cadian helmet and shoulder pad. He is now Sgt Barker.

It should be noted that Yarrick's buff boosts things like auxilia and scions (think more Taurox Primes than the Scions themselves) since theyre astra militarum too whereas harker cant. He is also the only way to make Pask reroll 1's best as I can tell. I'm seriously considering taking both to make the entire gunline reroll 1's.

Yeah, Yarrick really wants to be up front and center. He's awesome, but you pay for it. 130 points is a whole unit of Bullgrynsfor example. I'd want to stick him next to at least two squads of either kitted out veterans or scions, with some leman russes and heavy weapon squads behind to try and make use of him. That's a hell of a base of fire, but its going to eat a lot of points, and attract a lot of attention.

 Colonel Cross wrote:
Wait, don't you reroll THEN apply modifiers?

Indeed you do, the late hour was playing bad games with my mind,

 argonak wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Asking for a friend, but which do you guys believe would add more impact to a list, in a vacuum, all else being equal...

1. 1 Tempestor Prime with a Plasma Scion Command Squad

or

2. Taking Yarrick to hang out in back and give his re-roll 1's to a group of three Earth-Shakers, and three Quad Heavy Mortars?

Yarrick is too big of an investment just for rerolling 1s to hit. Take Harker instead. Yarrick does so much more, and you pay for it. That saves you 80 points.

Who is Harker? Maybe we're being dense, but we can't find him in either the Index or the FW Index.

EDIT: NVM. We thought you were talking about HQs. Found him in the Elites. Thanks!

I want to try for a Brigade, what are the best FA choices to fill those out? Minimum with Sentinels or go for something else?

single sentinels works. I just hate taking them like that. Seems like easy kill points.

Rather bring them in 2's.

Tarous with twin lascannons works too

Requizen wrote:
I want to try for a Brigade, what are the best FA choices to fill those out? Minimum with Sentinels or go for something else?

I've been running 3 squads of 5 Rough Riders to decent effect. They're pretty fun.

Requizen wrote:
I want to try for a Brigade, what are the best FA choices to fill those out? Minimum with Sentinels or go for something else?

Three Scout Sentinels should do the trick. Weapon choice is up to you. They're cheap units to either tie up/distract, to grab objectives, or to plink away at an enemy's forces if they ignore them. I have a couple with Hunter Killers and Missile Launchers and they're okay I guess. I hear heavy flamer rushers are pretty decent but I haven't tried them yet.