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The new rule set will be for free GW said.
But how about the other material? Add-on rules (three ways to play the game), codices (five books announced), supplements (for strategems?) and whatnot.
I guess that we need to calculate with at least 200 Euro.

Thoughts?

If it's like AoS (no reason to believe it will differ), then you'll be able to buy individal warscrolls or formations without buying the whole large books, so costs will likely go down unless you're set on buying every book.

The AoS equivalents to Codices go for about $40, I believe. If you have your army and gaming supplies already, why would you need to buy anything else?

 Luciferian wrote:
The AoS equivalents to Codices go for about $40, I believe. If you have your army and gaming supplies already, why would you need to buy anything else?

In the past, a lot of folks have preferred to buy all of the codexes and supplements for the game for collection purposes and/or to make sure they had access to all the rules to use as preparation for the competitive scene.

The point is that I have several armies. My main army is Necrons atm. I'd like to unshelve my Eldar if they are a bit toned down. GK would also be an option. But I guess that GK will still be an army that needs some allies at the competitive level.

From my understanding codices will be free with the option to buy physical copies (But we can just print the damn things out ourselves, but then again the codices will probably have additional lore and images) and we will have to pay for expansions which if it's just game modes isn't really that important or it's faction specific which isn't too bad considering for example chaos only needed traitor legions.

200 euros for one book? Am I missing something here or do you mean all 5 books? If it's all 5 books then yes I can agree about $250 Canadian. Good thing is you don't NEED to buy all 5 UNLESS you want to.

Comparing to Age of Sigmar I think they will be a bit cheaper than current 40K but a bit more expensive than AoS since they don't really need to entice people to 40K like they did with AoS.

I wish it was cheaper but I believe it's fairly priced, depending on how many pages are in the book.

Well, I mean the whole expenses for getting into the 8th ed.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I mean the whole expenses for getting into the 8th ed.

Like I said, my whole expense for getting into 8th is going to be just the price of my new Codex. Although I will probably buy the starter set and maybe some of the other books voluntarily.

The 40k General Hand Book will be probably 20-25 euros. You need that if you wan't the Matched Play rules. If you want the basic rules and point costs they are gonna be free.
The first 5 books of 8th are gonna be very cheap, GW has said that, so I imagine they are gonna be like the ones of AoS, The Grand Alliance books.
I'm gonna buy the one with the Imperial Ones, and the one with Xenos. I assume that all will cost me near to 50-60 euros.

ShadowPug wrote:
From my understanding codices will be free with the option to buy physical copies (But we can just print the damn things out ourselves, but then again the codices will probably have additional lore and images) and we will have to pay for expansions which if it's just game modes isn't really that important or it's faction specific which isn't too bad considering for example chaos only needed traitor legions.

If you don't want matched points free, if yes you need codex.

Core rules will be free. There will be 5 books to cover all models that are currently out all ready on the day of release. Dexs will follow after for each army. The 5 books will be cheaper then a codex each.
After that we have only guesses as all the above was mentioned in the QnA they had.

From what I understand (and hope...) it should be closer to 100 euros for the initial book series than to 200...

This is based on the fact that the grand alliance books in AoS are collectively priced at 81 euros, plus the general's handbook at 20...

tneva82 wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
From my understanding codices will be free with the option to buy physical copies (But we can just print the damn things out ourselves, but then again the codices will probably have additional lore and images) and we will have to pay for expansions which if it's just game modes isn't really that important or it's faction specific which isn't too bad considering for example chaos only needed traitor legions.

If you don't want matched points free, if yes you need codex.

Im sorry but what are matched points? All I have heard that all codices and rules for an army are free.


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tneva82 wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
From my understanding codices will be free with the option to buy physical copies (But we can just print the damn things out ourselves, but then again the codices will probably have additional lore and images) and we will have to pay for expansions which if it's just game modes isn't really that important or it's faction specific which isn't too bad considering for example chaos only needed traitor legions.

If you don't want matched points free, if yes you need codex.

Im sorry but what are matched points? All I have heard that all codices and rules for an army are free.

Free rules and free codices?
GW must have a new business model. Codices and supplements were always part of the budget.

ShadowPug wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
From my understanding codices will be free with the option to buy physical copies (But we can just print the damn things out ourselves, but then again the codices will probably have additional lore and images) and we will have to pay for expansions which if it's just game modes isn't really that important or it's faction specific which isn't too bad considering for example chaos only needed traitor legions.

If you don't want matched points free, if yes you need codex.

Im sorry but what are matched points? All I have heard that all codices and rules for an army are free.

They are the points as we know now rather than less granular power level.

So rather than 8 power levels for squad of rubrics with upgrades free you pay X per model and also pay for upgrades.

So if you are happy to play open or narrative with power levels free. If you want fully granular point system you pay for it.

Well, if the codex-equivalents released (the five of them) are in the same format as the Generals Handbook, we should see them for 20-30$. IF you want all 5, you should be prepared to spend at least 100-150$, but if you only need 1, starting eighth could be as little as 20$.

Considering the last edition had a mandatory 100$ buy in, this sounds OK to me.

If you print the warscrolls for the units that are posted on the website. And one person buys the book with the points in it. You can use an ink pen to write on the warscroll the point costs. This then means you will need the free rules that each store is supposed to get a few copies of.

Your cost at that point, assuming you have either a printer or a print shop should be fairly low.

Confused, seems to be a lot of unsourced rumour here.

As I understand it, there will be free core rules, with several options for a physical version of the rulebook.

On release there will be five faction books with rules for all the miniatures currently available. These will be low-cost (although what GW's idea of low-cost is, is debatable).

I've not seen any info confirming individual codexes to be subsequently released. If anyone has it, a link to source would be really appreciated.

You don't have to buy all five/ six books unless you want to . You'll probably only need 2 maybe 1 (BRB+1 of the 5 "codices"). Wich I'd guess will come in a around 50 euros. if you're a desperate collector that want all the rules all at once yes then it will be more but I really wonder if that is money well spent straight away.

Earth127 wrote:
You don't have to buy all five/ six books unless you want to . You'll probably only need 2 maybe 1 (BRB+1 of the 5 "codices"). Wich I'd guess will come in a around 50 euros. if you're a desperate collector that want all the rules all at once yes then it will be more but I really wonder if that is money well spent straight away.

Well, as I have Imperial Fists, Necron, Tau, Eldar, Tyranid and Death Guard armies, it is going to be a significant cost to replace all my books that are now invalidated.

So let's hope they are going back to the slimline softback codex model, at around a tenner a go...

I have a large Tau force as well as smaller Necron, Skitarii and Iron Warriors forces. I'm only interested in Matched Play.

My expectation is that I'll have to pay for...
1. The 40k 'General's Handbook' for the rules on how Matched Play works.
2. The book with Imperium points.
3. The book with Xenos points.
4. The book with Chaos points.

Assuming 20-25 USD per book, I'm on the hook for 80-100 USD before I can use my armies in a new edition which is billed as having 'free rules'.

This is essentially like Age of Sigmar. Open Play is free. Narrative and Matched will run you some dollars if you want to play.

I'm not complaining about having to spend money. I expect to spend money. I'm just a little frustrated that they're marketing this as free when it really isn't.

I am figuring on two codexes ( xenos plus imperium ) plus rules. Hoping I can get the rules and the books for 120$

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm only interested in Matched Play.

My expectation is that I'll have to pay for...
1. The 40k 'General's Handbook' for the rules on how Matched Play works.
2. The book with Imperium points.
3. The book with Xenos points.
4. The book with Chaos points.

Assuming 20-25 USD per book, I'm on the hook for 80-100 USD before I can use my armies in a new edition which is billed as having 'free rules'.

This is essentially like Age of Sigmar. Open Play is free. Narrative and Matched will run you some dollars if you want to play.

I'm not complaining about having to spend money. I expect to spend money. I'm just a little frustrated that they're marketing this as free when it really isn't.

100% agree with this. Even if I was only interested in Open play (who would be?) it is hardly "free"
Free to Download does not mean "free". I would have to go get a tablet to download that onto because I am not going to use my phone. And even then tablets are inferior to holding an actual book in my hands.
I can flip to any rule in my 7th ed codices faster than anyone I've met can scroll to the same rule on a digital media. If 8th truly has "less rules" this will be even easier.

I understand that it isn't the same for everyone, but for me personally, getting a physical copy of the rules is mandatory for me to play. And if the books are indeed cheaper than they current 7th ed books, the $25-30 Matched play rule book will be cheaper than getting a $50+ tablet.

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zerosignal wrote:

Earth127 wrote:
You don't have to buy all five/ six books unless you want to . You'll probably only need 2 maybe 1 (BRB+1 of the 5 "codices"). Wich I'd guess will come in a around 50 euros. if you're a desperate collector that want all the rules all at once yes then it will be more but I really wonder if that is money well spent straight away.

Well, as I have Imperial Fists, Necron, Tau, Eldar, Tyranid and Death Guard armies, it is going to be a significant cost to replace all my books that are now invalidated.

So let's hope they are going back to the slimline softback codex model, at around a tenner a go...

This is very much the issue, folks are arguing you "only need the 1 book" ...sure if I only want to play one of my armies.

 Galef wrote:

Free to Download does not mean "free". I would have to go get a tablet to download that onto because I am not going to use my phone. And even then tablets are inferior to holding an actual book in my hands.
I can flip to any rule in my 7th ed codices faster than anyone I've met can scroll to the same rule on a digital media. If 8th truly has "less rules" this will be even easier.

I understand that it isn't the same for everyone, but for me personally, getting a physical copy of the rules is mandatory for me to play. And if the books are indeed cheaper than they current 7th ed books, the $25-30 Matched play rule book will be cheaper than getting a $50+ tablet.

Since I got my tablet I have not bought a single piece of printed material. Not a book. Not a magazine. Nothing.

I imagine the gaming population as a whole includes a distribution of people ranging from your "physical copy is mandatory" position to my "digital only" position. Others will be like a friend of mine who buys eBook rules and then extracts key pages and takes them to a local print centre and uses their self serve machines to get everything he wants on card stock in colour. Sometimes laying out his own reference material to match the official stuff for a given game.

I think the final expense is going to be lower than normal for a GW edition change, but not that much. And with the more a given player embraces digital content and the general power level system instead of the specific matched play points, the cheaper it will be. I know lots of current 40k players couldn't possibly understand someone doing something other than matched play with specific points, but there are loads of people out there that are going to be very well served by the general power level and high amount of digital content.

My guess is though that most people are going to be looking at a book per army. People will want their stuff all in one place like the grand alliance books that came out for AoS. I think GW is going to do what they can to keep the prices down, but they still need to be able to offer a trade discount for their independent stockists. The Grand Alliance books were like $35 for the large ones (Order & Chaos) and under $20 for the smaller ones (Death & Destruction). I think something similar is reasonable here. And a core rulebook like the General's Handbook. So I'd say 5 books at around $30 a piece.

I think for those who want all the new rules, 200 euros seems like it could be accurate.

Just to clarify, I do not wish physical or digital copies to be mandatory. That should be the individual player's choice.
If I want every single rule to be printed in a physical copy that should be an option available to me (and at an affordable cost).
If you want to download every single rule on your tablet, that should be an option for you too.

But players should not be penalized for their media of choice.
Nor should the rules be billed as "free" when they is clearly an investment cost (some kind of device) needed to carry your rules with you.

I was so relieved when GW announced that the main rules for Matched play would be released in a physical copy along with 5 Faction specific army books that are all each cheaper than a current codex.
For the first time since 5th edition, the prospect of owning 100% of the games' rules in hard copy is feasible.

What I am not excited about is the inevitable supplements that will come later to "re-split" all the armies again. This will not only add to the bloat, but further up the entry cost of this game (both of which GW has said they are attempting to avoid).

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 Galef wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm only interested in Matched Play.

My expectation is that I'll have to pay for...
1. The 40k 'General's Handbook' for the rules on how Matched Play works.
2. The book with Imperium points.
3. The book with Xenos points.
4. The book with Chaos points.

Assuming 20-25 USD per book, I'm on the hook for 80-100 USD before I can use my armies in a new edition which is billed as having 'free rules'.

This is essentially like Age of Sigmar. Open Play is free. Narrative and Matched will run you some dollars if you want to play.

I'm not complaining about having to spend money. I expect to spend money. I'm just a little frustrated that they're marketing this as free when it really isn't.

100% agree with this. Even if I was only interested in Open play (who would be?) it is hardly "free"
Free to Download does not mean "free".

Yes it does.
If you're a total cheapskate who doesn't want to pay for anything, you can get it free online. That's free. FREE, Free, whatever bro. Free.
Just go print it or whatever if you must have paper in your hands.
Then complain at the print shop that they should be free.

 Galef wrote:
100% agree with this. Even if I was only interested in Open play (who would be?) it is hardly "free"
Free to Download does not mean "free". I would have to go get a tablet to download that onto because I am not going to use my phone. And even then tablets are inferior to holding an actual book in my hands.
I can flip to any rule in my 7th ed codices faster than anyone I've met can scroll to the same rule on a digital media. If 8th truly has "less rules" this will be even easier.

I understand that it isn't the same for everyone, but for me personally, getting a physical copy of the rules is mandatory for me to play. And if the books are indeed cheaper than they current 7th ed books, the $25-30 Matched play rule book will be cheaper than getting a $50+ tablet.

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But then you'll need a charger for the tablet, and a house with electrical sockets in it! OMG 8th Edition costs as much as a mortgage, no wonder it's called 40k!!!

I do agree that flipping around books is definitely quicker for me than trying to do the same on a tablet.

If we're looking at around 20 quid a book, I'll probably get a few, depending on how the different factions are split up, and what the free online rules look like.

Galef wrote:Just to clarify, I do not wish physical or digital copies to be mandatory. That should be the individual player's choice.
If I want every single rule to be printed in a physical copy that should be an option available to me (and at an affordable cost).
If you want to download every single rule on your tablet, that should be an option for you too.

But players should not be penalized for their media of choice.

I totally agree.

Nor should the rules be billed as "free" when they is clearly an investment cost (some kind of device) needed to carry your rules with you.

This I disagree with because eBooks are not a new thing and they have prices. And they range from very expensive to no additional money. When talking about electronic books, no additional money = free. Yes, you'll need some sort of device or the ability to print sections or whole works, but the actual cost of the information is zero in many cases. I think that's all people mean.

What I am not excited about is the inevitable supplements that will come later to "re-split" all the armies again. This will not only add to the bloat, but further up the entry cost of this game (both of which GW has said they are attempting to avoid).

It certainly looks like Age of Sigmar is the model for 8th edition 40k. And if they do the same approach as far as books go, I think we'll still see a pretty low entry cost. I don't know too many people that are annoyed by General's Handbook + Battletome. Maybe as yearly General's Handbooks come out and we see the prices go up or the amount of change being negligible it'll become an issue. The barrier will be to owning every rule for every army. That has never been cheap since the early 90s when they switched to army books for each faction.

As for the bloat, the bigger issue will be mistakes that slip through the cracks in playtesting. For example the new Kharadron Overlords have a combination of units and hero abilities where a single unit can put out more firepower than any other entire gunline army. All it will take to fix is a simple line that says "a unit cannot gain this benefit more than once a turn" or "a unit can only benefit from one benefit of this type per turn" but they missed that.