So what does everyone think the nids will do with all this warp stuff happening?

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**NinthMusketeer**

Melissia wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Melissia wrote:
You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.
What's the evidence for your claim?

My claim was a counter-claim to the assertion that there's billions of tyranid hive fleets outside the galaxy just waiting to get in.

My assertion thus is that there's no evidence they exist. Are you actually arrogant enough to try to ask me for evidence that they don't exist, and expecting me to respect your fallacious logic and improper debating etiquette? Because if so, goddamn dude.

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MurderKing wrote:
I remember that there was a theory that they had come from another galaxy that they destroyed, but not every other galaxy.
And there's another theory that they're actually fleeing a far bigger threat. Neither theory is anything but a guess even in-universe.

Holy crap, all I wanted to know was what fluff you were drawing on. That you responded with such outright hostility tells me you're just trolling here.

**Lance845**

I hope more hive fleets arrive. Tau get the 5th expansion. Girlyman starts a new crusade.

Nids get even more fethers pouring in from outside the galaxy.

**SagesStone**

I hope they focus down at macragge for a second round of that. Both sides have a lot more bigger toys to play with this time.

**Frazzled**

Nids will keep doing what they have been done, chowing down on biomass. Loyalist, chaos, its all meat to them.

**SagesStone**

Yeh, I was just thinking would their overall route through the galaxy change now.

**Frazzled**

I doubt it. Besides these warp storms are temporary. Nid eating is...permanent.

**Dakka Wolf**

I think Nids bother the occupants of The Warp more than it bothers them. The reason they stay away from the warp is because there is nothing tangible inside the warp, no biomass, no food.
Nids do everything they do for food.

**BrianDavion**

n0t_u wrote:
Yeh, I was just thinking would their overall route through the galaxy change now.

proably, the 'nids have been shown to be adapting their stragety of invasion, consider Levithen to Behemoth.

if the hive fleet is capable of understanding the political situation of the galaxy (while the immediate reaction is to go "of course not" one does wonder how much intell gets passed on when the hive fleet noms a gene stealer cult) it'd proably focus it's efforts on the dark imperium. the orginization in that half of the galaxy will be reduced, so they'll be able to win victories easier I suspect

**Stormonu**

Yeah, the 'Nids should keep on chomping through the galaxy, though they may encounter more worlds on an overall war footing - as well as Necrons stirred by the Silent King waiting to directly oppose them.

Does anyone have any specific quotes relating to the rumor of something following/chasing the 'Nids? I've written a short story about it for a friend (The Tyranids at Terra), but I'm really curious where these rumors started.

**Iracundus**

Stormonu wrote:
Yeah, the 'Nids should keep on chomping through the galaxy, though they may encounter more worlds on an overall war footing - as well as Necrons stirred by the Silent King waiting to directly oppose them.

Does anyone have any specific quotes relating to the rumor of something following/chasing the 'Nids? I've written a short story about it for a friend (The Tyranids at Terra), but I'm really curious where these rumors started.

There has never been any GW source for this theory, which has been entirely speculative from fans. This theory has been there I think from the birth of the current concept of the Tyranids in Epic: Hive War in the early 1990's as massive all devouring threat entering the galaxy. The theory has been independently proposed by people over the years, sometimes under the mistaken impression that they are being terribly original when really they are not. As far as I can tell, primary motivation behind this theory is rejection of the Tyranids as major threat to the galaxy, through either 1) proposing they are in fact weak and fleeing and 2) that there is an even greater threat out there that dwarfs the Tyranids.

**gnome_idea_what**

Iracundus wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Yeah, the 'Nids should keep on chomping through the galaxy, though they may encounter more worlds on an overall war footing - as well as Necrons stirred by the Silent King waiting to directly oppose them.

Does anyone have any specific quotes relating to the rumor of something following/chasing the 'Nids? I've written a short story about it for a friend (The Tyranids at Terra), but I'm really curious where these rumors started.

There has never been any GW source for this theory, which has been entirely speculative from fans. This theory has been there I think from the birth of the current concept of the Tyranids in Epic: Hive War in the early 1990's as massive all devouring threat entering the galaxy. The theory has been independently proposed by people over the years, sometimes under the mistaken impression that they are being terribly original when really they are not. As far as I can tell, primary motivation behind this theory is rejection of the Tyranids as major threat to the galaxy, through either 1) proposing they are in fact weak and fleeing and 2) that there is an even greater threat out there that dwarfs the Tyranids.

I think the theory is just an evolution of the grimdark "everyone is fethed" trope being applied to the tyranids, or an attempt to make normal humans seem even less significant.

**BunkhouseBuster**

I still like the idea that the Tyranids might be creations of the Old Ones. Looking at them, one could argue that the Nids were built as tools to fight both Necrons (consuming all flesh and condemning them to their metal bodies) and Chaos (by removing all sentient life and producing the Shadow in the Warp).

I know it's a stretch, but this uncertainty is one of the cool things about them. It gives us fans opportunities to speculate and wonder at what might be.

**pm713**

Did the Old Ones even know about Chaos? Didn't it start after they died?

**1hadhq**

pm713 wrote:
Did the Old Ones even know about Chaos? Didn't it start after they died?

What they did, made chaos possible. It did not spawn out of nowhere....
Old Ones used the immaterium until the beeings there got involved with the materium. You can blame them for chaos.

**pm713**

1hadhq wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Did the Old Ones even know about Chaos? Didn't it start after they died?

What they did, made chaos possible. It did not spawn out of nowhere....
Old Ones used the immaterium until the beeings there got involved with the materium. You can blame them for chaos.

Well with the current lore it's probably fairer to blame newcrons.

**BlaxicanX**

Well lads, here's a pretty decent example of what the Nids seems to be doing.

Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

Dying. The answer is dying.

**BrianDavion**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Well lads, here's a pretty decent example of what the Nids seems to be doing.

Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

Dying. The answer is dying.

yeah, honestly, I'm an ultramarines fan and even I'm kinda dissappointed by that fluff. I mean, it's a double deus ex machina

**Aetare**

Looking at the leaked fluff that just dropped with the rules leak, looks like the resurgent chaos daemons are throwing down with them as well, at least on Baal.

**SagesStone**

So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

**BrianDavion**

n0t_u wrote:
So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

in fairness where you expecting GW to kill off a entire space marine faction at the dawn of 8th edition?

**stonehorse**

BrianDavion wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

in fairness where you expecting GW to kill off a entire space marine faction at the dawn of 8th edition?

Space Wolves lost Fenris system to the Thosand Sons... so there is record of established Space Marine Chapters losing their homeworld system. Blood Angels couldn't lose theirs simply becasue Tyranids aren't allowed to have a major victory. Their background piants them up as being the ultimate threat and death of the galaxy, however they can't be seen to be winning as what they win can't be reclaimed. They leave barren airless rocks that have no way to sustain life.

I am betting that as both Blood Angels and Space Wolves have lost so many numbers it will be used as a justification to phase in the new Marine miniatures, with the end goal to replace their entire lines.

**SagesStone**

BrianDavion wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

in fairness where you expecting GW to kill off a entire space marine faction at the dawn of 8th edition?

No and I didn't want them to kill off a faction of marines around as long as the blood angels. Despite how it may seem like I dislike marines at times, I really just hate the eye rolling deus ex machina style of writing that's become the focus of trying to make the marines seem more epic but has led to the complete removal of any suspense their background may have had. It felt as if they were setting up for a campaign like the whole sylvaneth and nurgle thing they did for AoS which would have been a really cool way to kick it all off instead of this little foot note we got.

**GodDamUser**

I expected Imperials to win Baal.. but that was lame....

**chalkobob**

n0t_u wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

in fairness where you expecting GW to kill off a entire space marine faction at the dawn of 8th edition?

No and I didn't want them to kill off a faction of marines around as long as the blood angels. Despite how it may seem like I dislike marines at times, I really just hate the eye rolling deus ex machina style of writing that's become the focus of trying to make the marines seem more epic but has led to the complete removal of any suspense their background may have had. It felt as if they were setting up for a campaign like the whole sylvaneth and nurgle thing they did for AoS which would have been a really cool way to kick it all off instead of this little foot note we got.

Well said. I Couldn't agree more.

**Deadshot**

chalkobob wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So much plot armour. Looks like some things will never change.

in fairness where you expecting GW to kill off a entire space marine faction at the dawn of 8th edition?

No and I didn't want them to kill off a faction of marines around as long as the blood angels. Despite how it may seem like I dislike marines at times, I really just hate the eye rolling deus ex machina style of writing that's become the focus of trying to make the marines seem more epic but has led to the complete removal of any suspense their background may have had. It felt as if they were setting up for a campaign like the whole sylvaneth and nurgle thing they did for AoS which would have been a really cool way to kick it all off instead of this little foot note we got.

Well said. I Couldn't agree more.

Seconded. They first establish that no one can get through to Imperium Nihilis and contact is lost, then all of a sudden Robby G "Oh look at that broke through just in time to save the day and replace ALL the dead marines with Primaris."

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

I assumed that Guilliman was close to Baal before the Great Rift appeared so would've already been on dark side. But yeah, it's pretty poorly done.

**Melissia**

Galas wrote:
The citation for this is:

Lexicanum wrote:10: Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 215

Page does not provide anything contradicting what I said other than the same rumormongering and non-specific suggestions the other non-eldar factions get; in fact, it explicitly says we DON'T know what's beyond: "What horrors await, only time will tell" being the final line. The same book also says it's only a matter of time before Orks unite and conquer the galaxy and destroy all the other races, that there's no way to stop the Necron war machine and it's doubtful even a united galaxy could manage it, and that all of these threats pale in comparison to the threat of Chaos and its daemons.

So you're expecting me to take the Tyranid section as canon but the rest of it as non-canon (because their sections present them as a bigger threat than Tyranids, Chaos even explicitly and specifically stated as being the biggest threat, not Tyranids), but you're unable to provide a reason other than blatant fanboyism.

**Tyran**

Melissia wrote:
Galas wrote:
The citation for this is:

Lexicanum wrote:10: Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 215

Page does not provide anything contradicting what I said other than the same rumormongering.

That's not rumormongering, the text explicitly tells you the current Hive Fleets are "merely the furthest stretched tendril".

**Melissia**

What it says are lines like this: "So immeasurably large is the invasion fleet that its furthest stretched tentacles alone have entered the Imperium's space." The Imperium's space isn't the whole of the galaxy, and the book does not identify there being a massive multitude of other hive fleets waiting for the galaxy (which is what I objected to)-- merely that, though the vanguard of the known hive fleets have entered the galaxy as known by the imperium, their whole "body" doesn't yet entirely reside in it.

And as a note, it says similar lines about Orks and Necrons and Chaos outnumbering everyone else.

**Tyran**

Ok you want another source. Why not one of the earliest Tyranid stories, Hive Fleet Horror.

They knew that every system, whether mechanical or biological, eventually runs down. Most species lasted only a few million years. A few - like some Earth ants - managed to survive for up to a hundred million years. But sooner or later they perished as their DNA either failed to adapt or simply deteriorated through natural wear.

The tyranids had found the only possible remedy for this. They moved from galaxy to galaxy, harvesting fresh, newly evolved DNA with which to renew and reinvigorate their own. They were the universe's ultimate life form. Quite possibly they had existed forever, and would continue to exist forever. Quite possibly the universe contained an infinite number of hive fleets.

The Imperium of Man had beaten off one hive fleet. Perhaps it could beat off others. It would be a rare reversal for the tyranids, but that did not matter at all. In a few million years the Imperium would be gone, the human race would be gone, and some other hive fleet would arrive, meeting weaker resistance, and would leave the galaxy lifeless and desolate.

Then, a few billion years later, life would evolve all over again, on millions of planets.

And again a hive fleet would move in....