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 greyknight12 wrote:
We had a couple players with GK as primary do well at NOVA (Tyler Devries and Brad Townsend), anyone know what they were running?

They were majority AM with some GK. Here was Tyler's list:
Tyler Devries

Patrol detachment

170 grand master- terminator psylencer, soul glave (warlord) (first to the fray)
214 x10 strikes, x8 storm bolters, x8 falchions, x2 psilencers
214 x10 strikes, x8 storm bolters, x8 falchions, x2 psilencers
113 x5 purgation squad, x1 falchion, x4 psilencers

Brigade detachment

45 elysian commander, plasma pistol
40 elysian commander, krak gernads
40 elysian commander, krak gernads
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
15 cyber wolf
15 cyber wolf
15 cyber wolf

Spearhead detachment

150 celestine
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
15 x1 astropath
15 x1 astropath

Are mortars that strong this edition?

 TheMostWize wrote:
Are mortars that strong this edition?

27 points for 3d6 str 4 shots at 48" range with no LOS required? pretty strong.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Are mortars that strong this edition?

27 points for 3d6 str 4 shots at 48" range with no LOS required? pretty strong.

Didn't realize that was the profile. Thats definitely pretty good.

The other GK list towards the top (Brad Townsend) can be found here (https://mismatchedplay.com/2017/09/06/nova-gt-lists/). Fairly similar to the other one.

 TheMostWize wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Are mortars that strong this edition?

27 points for 3d6 str 4 shots at 48" range with no LOS required? pretty strong.

Didn't realize that was the profile. Thats definitely pretty good.

For 9 points per mortar?!?! Holy hell, why bother with storm bolter spam when you can do it for cheaper, from behind a wall 48 inches away. The ludicrousness of IG balance never ceases to astound me.

Spartacus wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Are mortars that strong this edition?

27 points for 3d6 str 4 shots at 48" range with no LOS required? pretty strong.

Didn't realize that was the profile. Thats definitely pretty good.

For 9 points per mortar?!?! Holy hell, why bother with storm bolter spam when you can do it for cheaper, from behind a wall 48 inches away. The ludicrousness of IG balance never ceases to astound me.

No kidding - for the cost of a strike squad you can have 12 d6 str4 no LOS shots with 48 inch range. Almost twice the firepower for 0 risk 24 wounds compared to 5 too. The guard index is a joke of balance - if the codex comes out and they don't address this stuff - I'm just going to quit and sell my armies.

So my buddy played against Devries and his list. His remark to me was that the biggest problem when facing it was that there were no great targets to shoot. Everything was cheap and a bit of a waste for the firepower. Basically, nothing could be killed efficiently.

well The list preformed well at nova and i liked it for what it did. Im Tyler DeVries the one that was running GK and the guard. my only true loss was to alan pajamapants but we only played 3 turns and if there was more time i would have one. my game vs brad chester came to a draw but he had more points left on the field so got the tie breaker.

Fought some good players. Nick Nanivati twice, once in the invite and then in the open, alan, brad chester, alex fennel and reece robbins. it is a mix of cheep units to maximize effectiveness and have plenty of board control. i have already made changes for the iron Halo GT if i run the list out there.

One of my regular gaming friends is Brad Townsend which also lives by me which we worked on tweeking out lists together and adding in our own play style. the list originated from ETC this year.

IVIOOSE wrote:
well The list preformed well at nova and i liked it for what it did. Im Tyler DeVries the one that was running GK and the guard. my only true loss was to alan pajamapants but we only played 3 turns and if there was more time i would have one. my game vs brad chester came to a draw but he had more points left on the field so got the tie breaker.

Fought some good players. Nick Nanivati twice, once in the invite and then in the open, alan, brad chester, alex fennel and reece robbins. it is a mix of cheep units to maximize effectiveness and have plenty of board control. i have already made changes for the iron Halo GT if i run the list out there.

One of my regular gaming friends is Brad Townsend which also lives by me which we worked on tweeking out lists together and adding in our own play style. the list originated from ETC this year.

What'd you think of your Round 1 match? The guy with the AM and the Relic Falchion, if you don't mind my asking?

he did not have the best target priority, brought down his plasma squads too early so they did not have good targets as none of the grey knights were on the board. personally i dont like big expensive units and that tank he took was like 800 points which is a lot and against my army does not do much as i dont have vehicles for it to kill to make its points back. he should have blocked the big tank and the two taurox more behind guard. if he did that i would not have been able to drop in and just nuke them with plasma. just needs work on placing models and target priority and he will do much better.

Ha! I'll have to let him know. It was his first GT. He was saying in his own post mortem your list was hard to Target prioritize.

I am right in thinking that I don't need to roll to see if my reserves come in? I just choose and turn when the shown up, and then they so automatically right?

In a recent game only my 2nd of 8th my opponent insisted I had to roll to see if they showed up or not a la deep strike reserves form 7th is this correct?

Your opponent was wrong, that random mechanic went out with 7th edition. You just pick the turn and things come in at the end of the movement phase

Hey so, what's people's thoughts on Demon hammers on units.
Is it worth putting them in some? Pt's V effectiveness

L0adedDice wrote:
Hey so, what's people's thoughts on Demon hammers on units.
Is it worth putting them in some? Pt's V effectiveness

Other people have done the math, but to sum up,

Yesterday on paragons, apothecaries and librarians (anything with ws+2) and falchions on everything else

Godeskian wrote:
Your opponent was wrong, that random mechanic went out with 7th edition. You just pick the turn and things come in at the end of the movement phase

I thought this most be the case, thanks for the clarification.

My alpha strike felt a bit hamstrung when it didn't show up until the top of turn 3 lol.

Fantome wrote:

Godeskian wrote:
Your opponent was wrong, that random mechanic went out with 7th edition. You just pick the turn and things come in at the end of the movement phase

I thought this most be the case, thanks for the clarification.

My alpha strike felt a bit hamstrung when it didn't show up until the top of turn 3 lol.

Been there

Are there any good/semi good range anti-tank models apart from Stormraven/Ven Dread?

so I see all your optimized lists and everything and that's great and al....

but what do you all think of an all paladin list? I have 2k list of paladins, apothecaries (because I hate when my special silver boys die) draigo, voldus, storm ravens and a dreadknight.

what do you think? basically its an alpha strike tear the throat out type army. prolly just get tabled but dang it will be fun.

I'm just not sold on the Apothecary. Focus fire would make his ability too useless.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm just not sold on the Apothecary. Focus fire would make his ability too useless.

so I have yet to use him (or even play 8th ed) but from what I understand I can give one the cuirass for frizzle if I make him my warlord. which if nothing else makes him one tough SOB.

waddya think?

Nah I'd rather just use that on a regular Grandmaster or Librarian.

well so the thing is you can have voldus or dragio or whoever. give the cuirass to the apothecary and give him first to the fray. so he can heal himself and is a super support character.

I love my apothecary. Won't build a list without them as it forces people to put huge amounts of firepower into Paladins, and with a hammer and the ability to fix himself he's a beast in close combat. Ws2+ for the win

As it's usually the squeaky wheel that gets the grease...
Can we talk more about how Terminators are literally pointed so high they are unplayable?

L0adedDice wrote:
As it's usually the squeaky wheel that gets the grease...
Can we talk more about how Terminators are literally pointed so high they are unplayable?

terminators not including paladins? from what I here paladins are worth it. but yes from what I understand regulare termies are overcosted.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Spartacus wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Are mortars that strong this edition?

27 points for 3d6 str 4 shots at 48" range with no LOS required? pretty strong.

Didn't realize that was the profile. Thats definitely pretty good.

For 9 points per mortar?!?! Holy hell, why bother with storm bolter spam when you can do it for cheaper, from behind a wall 48 inches away. The ludicrousness of IG balance never ceases to astound me.

No kidding - for the cost of a strike squad you can have 12 d6 str4 no LOS shots with 48 inch range. Almost twice the firepower for 0 risk 24 wounds compared to 5 too. The guard index is a joke of balance - if the codex comes out and they don't address this stuff - I'm just going to quit and sell my armies.

Hold on dude, don't sell your stuff - codex may even buff them further.

It's pretty accurate that all codexes were finished long time ago. And have been printed in fact already.

But don't lose your hope - I think what is really going to decide what is strong and what is not in 8th 40k will be Chapters Approved in December. Until then well nothing in this edition can be said to be balanced or not. Chapters Approved are supposed to be balancing factor that for first time takes into account actual performance of armies and playtesting.


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L0adedDice wrote:
As it's usually the squeaky wheel that gets the grease...
Can we talk more about how Terminators are literally pointed so high they are unplayable?

You talking about GK terminators there ? As I wouldn't extend this statement to all terminators around.

Problem with Terminators now is that it's so easy to remove them with plasma etc. Or just sheer amount of attacks . And deepstriking is denied by wraps of cannon fodder that even if they kill is still bad - since they will kill some conscripts and you lose 300 points of terminators back.

Now imagine terminators with 18" rapid fire range who are mathematically proved to be around 150% more durable against OH plasma and at same time thanks to 18" rapid fire can melt with plasma themselves something far away even protected by bubblewrap.

Pro tip if you are into terminators - time to turn heretic .

The problem with Terminators is they went up 2 points instead of being decreased by 2 points. Paladins are only 7 points more for the extra attack and wound and heavy weapon saturation.

Does anyone here take an Imperial Knight with their Grey knight forces?
If so, what kind and what kind of load out?

I'm considering picking one up, purely for the rule of cool factor as they look killer.