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Off hand you need some strike squad models. I'd say at least 10 and better would be 20.
Mortis dreadnaughts are not allowed in a GK detachment (for chapter abilities purposes), they are not in either our codex or Imp Index 1 so they can not have the Grey Knights designation.
Use your Termies as Paladins. Unless/unitl GW changes the basic rules for Termies they just aren't worth their points. Paladins last longer on the board.

As for armaments you should definately check out page 9 of this thread.
Anything else is up to how you like to play the game.
   
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Yes you need strike squads. I would say 3x5 at least to fill three troop slots.

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So I lost my first escalation match. This was the first opponent who counter deployed me, in that she actually measured out the 9 inches and ensured I couldn't deep strike in where I'd like to. She also had 3 lemans and tank commander pask. I did manage to find nice ds zone, but I failed 9 out of my 10 charges only making one with a squad of 5 interceptors (2 died in overwatch) who then failed to scrath the leman. I killed pask turn 1 with my stormraven but on her turn itwas shot out of the sky by the lemans I was also in a bit of a hurry and forgot to fight with Draigo once, and messed up a couple rules and she did the same as she's brand new to 40k.

In the end I had no issue with celestine or the other sisters, but I couldn't get through those leman russes. I never made it into melee with them and that really was my only chance.

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Armour is what pure GK really struggle with. A GMDK with buffguns will do some damage to a single model, but not enough. This is the area where GK need allies. Dark Angel Plasma is good support (a spearhead with Lt HQ, and a mix of devastators and hellblasters). Lemen Russ support is also strong.

You made the right choice, killing Pask with the Raven. But like you experienced, after that your efficiency drops dramatically.

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Lascannon Razorbacks aren't TOO bad to use, but they can't really be fielded enmasse.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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Don't really like strikes, what about more interceptors?

I was thinking about deploying the interceptors and moving them up 30inches in turn 1.
Strikes would just sit in the backfield I fear.
   
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If you want CPs then you need troops. You only get 2 troop choices Strikes or Termies. Temies are way overpriced. Start with strikes in deep strike mode if you can. If not put them in as a screen or a second wave of attackers.
   
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Aeri wrote:
Don't really like strikes, what about more interceptors?

I was thinking about deploying the interceptors and moving them up 30inches in turn 1.
Strikes would just sit in the backfield I fear.


I think the idea is that you take equal amounts of both.

Your strikes sit in deepstrike reserve, or whatever they call it now, and the Interceptors deploy on the board and teleport shunt up the field turn 1 as you say. That way everyone is in the mix as soon as possible. Don't forget you can also Gate a unit per turn.

Taking all interceptors would be ideal if it weren't for the increased cost (less bodies) and the fact that strike squads are troops choices, so you can use them to get the command points you need desperately.

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Armour is what pure GK really struggle with. A GMDK with buffguns will do some damage to a single model, but not enough. This is the area where GK need allies. Dark Angel Plasma is good support (a spearhead with Lt HQ, and a mix of devastators and hellblasters). Lemen Russ support is also strong.

You made the right choice, killing Pask with the Raven. But like you experienced, after that your efficiency drops dramatically.


Yeah. I've got one more match before its over but as it is unless the sister player loses she's going to in the league (as she's yet to lose and has tied one match.) That being said because of the way they are doing this league there is a chance I could go up against her again. In that case I want to be prepared for this situation to go for the tie. I WAS planning on being a little silly with my 2000 point list and I was gonna take Celestine, an inquisitor, sly marbo and some plasma and/or melta acolytes. But knowing I'm close to winning this I'm gonna try to go all out. I'm not above allying, though I don't have much myself. My friend has some Guard he'll let me use so I could maybe get some Leman Russes. I'm gonna spend some time trying to come up with a list

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If you can check out some Fire Raptors they're just killers and, in my opinion, very underpriced for what they can do.
   
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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
If you can check out some Fire Raptors they're just killers and, in my opinion, very underpriced for what they can do.


I'll second this. If you want ranged destruction, even of armor, nothing conventional in the game beats a Fire Raptor.

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Audustum wrote:
Leo_the_Rat wrote:
If you can check out some Fire Raptors they're just killers and, in my opinion, very underpriced for what they can do.


I'll second this. If you want ranged destruction, even of armor, nothing conventional in the game beats a Fire Raptor.


At -1 command point right?
   
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 Smotejob wrote:
Audustum wrote:
Leo_the_Rat wrote:
If you can check out some Fire Raptors they're just killers and, in my opinion, very underpriced for what they can do.


I'll second this. If you want ranged destruction, even of armor, nothing conventional in the game beats a Fire Raptor.


At -1 command point right?


I usually see it shoved into an allied Space Marine/CSM battalion. That or you can make a soup battalion.

If he doesn't want the allies and really doesn't want soup than yeah, -1 CP.

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Throw in an HQ and a troop and just put it in a patrol detachment (0 CP).
   
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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Throw in an HQ and a troop and just put it in a patrol detachment (0 CP).


Those have flyer slots!? Well, learn something new every day.

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I thought that "Grey Knights" could take the place of "chapter" for the forgeworld stuff, but maybe I'm confused with 7th Ed IA rules.

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 greyknight12 wrote:
I thought that "Grey Knights" could take the place of "chapter" for the forgeworld stuff, but maybe I'm confused with 7th Ed IA rules.


I believe one of the FAQ's said we cannot. That's why we get our own Grey Knight section of the Space Marine Imperial Armor. :(
   
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Audustum wrote:
 greyknight12 wrote:
I thought that "Grey Knights" could take the place of "chapter" for the forgeworld stuff, but maybe I'm confused with 7th Ed IA rules.


I believe one of the FAQ's said we cannot. That's why we get our own Grey Knight section of the Space Marine Imperial Armor. :(

Yup, found it in the Imperial Armor FAQ. It’s really a shame.

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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
If you can check out some Fire Raptors they're just killers and, in my opinion, very underpriced for what they can do.


Sadly I doubt this will be an available option. I have been looking into a knight however. I have a knight paladin sitting around. I may even be able to fit space into my list for 2 armigers and a paladin which would bring 3 extra cp. The issue is idk if I'll have the armiger models by the time my next match comes up.

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Rather than a knight why don't you see if you can get 2 more Storm Ravens? This way you can have a flyer wing detachment and the Ravens are much more manueverable than a titan and probably a bit more survivable and only a little more in points than the titan.
   
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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Rather than a knight why don't you see if you can get 2 more Storm Ravens? This way you can have a flyer wing detachment and the Ravens are much more manueverable than a titan and probably a bit more survivable and only a little more in points than the titan.


That's a decent possibility. It'll depend on funds between now and then but I like that idea.
   
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 greyknight12 wrote:
Audustum wrote:
 greyknight12 wrote:
I thought that "Grey Knights" could take the place of "chapter" for the forgeworld stuff, but maybe I'm confused with 7th Ed IA rules.


I believe one of the FAQ's said we cannot. That's why we get our own Grey Knight section of the Space Marine Imperial Armor. :(

Yup, found it in the Imperial Armor FAQ. It’s really a shame.


Yea I agree I think it's stupid. Giving the GK ability to replace the <chapter> word would be a huge boon as we could shore up some weakness without screwing our special rules.

Things like Sicarans and Xiphon interceptors as well as the aformetioned fire raptor would help immensely. I don't understand the logic on why we can't take them but oh well.

 
   
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Has anyone been able to viably use the Chaplin? Seems pretty weaksauce to me.

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I made a list trying to leverage the Chaplain. It is just too hard with the limit of half our army not being able to deepstrike. His best feature is complete rerolls in melee, so if you spam PAGK with falchions it is nice.

Do you want just melee rerolls? The GMDK gives rerolls on 1 for everything has a bigger base so the aura is bigger, is much more durable and deadly, but it is twice as expensive. Or you know, just take Draigo who can hide.

Chaplain is purely a budget option I feel. I mean we ARE scrapping points, but its a points question of whether we want to field one more unit, if we don't scrap for that extra squad, we get 110 points to mess with all of a sudden. Which is pretty much the difference between Draigo and a Chaplain. Or we can go even more budget and take Voldus who is pretty cheap.

It is really hard to justify just melee rerolls with how we do so much work with stormbolters.

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If and when we get a buff in our ability to cast psychic powers he'll probably be a good choice.

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I don't know if he would even then because as was said earlier Draigo does his job but better. A GM or GMDK only re-rolls rolls of 1, but allows it in both shooting and fighting. And those also serve other purposes much better than the Chaplain

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 Quickjager wrote:
I made a list trying to leverage the Chaplain. It is just too hard with the limit of half our army not being able to deepstrike. His best feature is complete rerolls in melee, so if you spam PAGK with falchions it is nice.

Do you want just melee rerolls? The GMDK gives rerolls on 1 for everything has a bigger base so the aura is bigger, is much more durable and deadly, but it is twice as expensive. Or you know, just take Draigo who can hide.

Chaplain is purely a budget option I feel. I mean we ARE scrapping points, but its a points question of whether we want to field one more unit, if we don't scrap for that extra squad, we get 110 points to mess with all of a sudden. Which is pretty much the difference between Draigo and a Chaplain. Or we can go even more budget and take Voldus who is pretty cheap.

It is really hard to justify just melee rerolls with how we do so much work with stormbolters.



Actually I would argue the Chaplain has synergy more with a Paladin-heavy list than with a PAGK list.
PAGK-spam lists derive their damage efficiency much more heavily from storm bolter fire, so you'll want them to have Draigo or GM auras.

Paladin damage efficiency is weighted more heavily toward the Fight phase. Here the Chaplain is suited best as cheap force multiplier.
Really, though, the best force multiplier for Paladin-heavy armies is an Ancient. Too bad he's not an HQ.



   
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 Zarroc1733 wrote:
I don't know if he would even then because as was said earlier Draigo does his job but better. A GM or GMDK only re-rolls rolls of 1, but allows it in both shooting and fighting. And those also serve other purposes much better than the Chaplain


Point cost is where the difference lies I think. You can get more bodies/wounds in your list with cheaper characters.

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Is anyone considering using an armiger? I usually have a ven dread with lascannon/fist/hvy flame in my list and the knight is only 6 points more. It just seems like more bang for the buck but I've been very wrong before.
   
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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Is anyone considering using an armiger? I usually have a ven dread with lascannon/fist/hvy flame in my list and the knight is only 6 points more. It just seems like more bang for the buck but I've been very wrong before.


I have been considering it. Maybe even 3 for 3 extra cp.

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