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Acolytes can't use the Canoness' reroll ability, since they can't take the <Order> keyword.

Greetings,

this last Sunday I played my first 8th game. As I have a very huge Imperium army I thinked that a Inquisitor would match perfectly with me.
We played at 600pts matched game, and made my list before know who were my rival.

I used Vanguard Detachment with <IMPERIUM> key, so, this was my army:

· Inquisitor - Psyker with Bolter Condemnor and Force Sword. Ordo Hereticus
· 2 x 5 acolytes, with Storm bolter
· Acolyte (just one acolyte - named Gregor)
· Acolyte with needle pistol and power sword
· 1 x Eversor Assasin
· 1 x Vindicare Assasin
· 2 x Taurox Prime with Taurox Gatling and Autoccannon

My plan was to deploy the Vindicare in one side, with the cover of two units of one Acolyte. In this way no shoot were abailable onto vindicare until the acolytes die.
In the other side, two Taurox Prime with five acolytes inside could down any enemy they face (I thought that). In one of the Taurox I embarqued the Inquisitor.
The eversor will deploy on reserve to help where I needed.

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I fought againts Khorne Berzerkers: one Dark Apostle, ten Space Marine, 6-7 Khorne Berzerkes, Rhino and Vindicator

I must say Acolytes are overpowered. I deployed one squad in front of a Vindicator. They resisted up to three turns of Vindicator fire (after that a perfect shoot of the Vindicator ripe off my unit... it get a 6 on shoot dice, impact with the 6, get damage with the 6 (5 plus a repeat with command points) and get enough damage to destroy all acolytes).
The Vindicare is not useful after all. He can shoot only one time, and only get any adventage when a character is on table, if the character is on a transport, you waste Vindicare shoots.
Eversor is a bad ass guy. He appeared in third turn, charge 3D6" against berserks and kill almost all them (only paladin rest). But Berzerkers are better, they fight twice each turn, and their paladin, with the apostle and lightning claws, can repeat all. Eversor died at last.
Taurox shoot a lot, but, without the Ordo rules, they are less effective than the acolytie storm bolter unit -> Taurox 20 S4 shoots Hp3+ against 5 Acolytes Storm Bolter Rapid Fire 2, 20 S4 shoots at 12" Hp 4+ with repetition to hit and damage.

No antitank in my army, and vehicles are too strong. I needed to use my inquisitor with the smite power to destroy vindicator (with the help of two Taurox and one storm bolter acolytes). After the destruction of the vindicator, I swich my objetive to the tactical space marine, one of my Taurox was destroyed with their firepower, but, the other Taurox and the other acolytes unit was too much for the tactical space marines.

After the battle, my Inquisitor, one Taurox and a full acolyte unit was over the table agains a damaged Rhino, a dark apostle and a Berserker Paladin.

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I really don't know what to do next. We are talking to play a next battle at 1000 points.

· I really like Eversor assasin, probably I retire my vindicare and add another Eversor.
· Psyker are strong, probably I added another Inquisitor and his retinue (another 5 acolytes) with combat equipment (needle pistol and power sword and mauls)
· I don't know if still have Storm Bolter acolytes or change them with hot-laser Scyons
· What antitank can I use? I thinked about a retinue of three Plasma gun acolytes... but maybe Razorback Lascannon work better.

Any of you have played a match with Inquisition?

Acolytes have been FAQed to 1 wound.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/02/warhammer-40000-faq-now-available-july2gw-homepage-post-1/

Page 122 – Acolytes
Change the Wounds characteristic to read ‘1’.

RIP Inquisition. This really was what they needed to be good. I know that's hyperbolic, but that's really the niche.

Was about to paint my acolytes.. but now can't see the reason to. Maybe as a count as unit. Any ideas tot actual uses?

With the restriction on number of command squads, Acolytes are still the way to get the most number of special weapons. For melee though, they are now pretty worthless.

I was about to decide if I'd take Acolytes or Ministorum infantry... no doubt now. Acolytes are totally worthless for 8 points...gosh I was going to convert 20 next week!!!!!

SU-152 wrote:
I was about to decide if I'd take Acolytes or Ministorum infantry... no doubt now. Acolytes are totally worthless for 8 points...gosh I was going to convert 20 next week!!!!!

They're worthless in large numbers, but again, for spamming special weapons they are the only option with the loss of command squads.

It definitely settles the debate between Acolytes with mauls vs Arco Flagellants.

Dominions spam meltas and stormbolters just fine, and Tempestus can fill the plasma gap just fine(with deepstriking!).

 Fafnir wrote:
Dominions spam meltas and stormbolters just fine, and Tempestus can fill the plasma gap just fine(with deepstriking!).

did you see Tempestus command squads each require a Prime now?

Regular squads still get a solid saturation of guns. And at BS3+, you're already doing 33% more damage with each shot.


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Regular squads still get a solid saturation of guns. And at BS3+, you're already doing 33% more damage with each shot.

I have drafted a set of house rules to allow people to create Inquisitorial Warbands. These are intended to be used in groups of friends rather than tournaments, and so they do have gaps which can be abused if people aren't playing "fluffily".

Any feedback would be welcome. I, like many here, missed the opportunity to field the fun and interesting ragtag warbands!

http://opheliaviidustzone.blogspot.com/2017/07/house-rules-for-inquisitorial-warbands.html

My next project was to convert an IQ army that wont be happening now

Ah, well. Rest in peace, undercosted Acolyte mechanized melee mob.

Right, so Inquisitors wargear has been slashed. (rad and psychotroke grenades, hellrifle, daemonsword, digital weapons, terminator armor for hereticus and xenos, conversion beamer, hvy weapon servitors and bloody power armour) all gone.

Jokeros and Daemon hosts can no longer enter transports for some bloody reason.

Arco/DCA/Crusaders cant be taken in the same squad, if you want to have some of each, and a priest in a transport (like i used to) they can be targeted seperately, and thats 5 kill points please. Oh and it HAS to be a sisters rhino.

And now the cherry on top. The only unit that I was remotely interested in, the only saving grace of the Inq list, the Acolyte, has been dropped from 3W to 1W with no reduction in points. Negating any uniqueness it had. Surely 3W on T3 5+ models isnt OP.

Someone answer me this, whats the point in taking Acolytes over Scions or AM Vets? Sure they can catch bullets for a nearby inquisitor, but is that superior to accessing orders?

I'm thinking back to when GW was spinning thier bull about us being able to use all of our models, that everything we have will be viable in game. My pure Inquisition army and my Hellrifle Inquisitor in power armour say otherwise.

Sorry for the rant but the Jakman is salty. He's very salty.

the_Jakman wrote:
Right, so Inquisitors wargear has been slashed. (rad and psychotroke grenades, hellrifle, daemonsword, digital weapons, terminator armor for hereticus and xenos, conversion beamer, hvy weapon servitors and bloody power armour) all gone.

Jokeros and Daemon hosts can no longer enter transports for some bloody reason.

Arco/DCA/Crusaders cant be taken in the same squad, if you want to have some of each, and a priest in a transport (like i used to) they can be targeted seperately, and thats 5 kill points please. Oh and it HAS to be a sisters rhino.

And now the cherry on top. The only unit that I was remotely interested in, the only saving grace of the Inq list, the Acolyte, has been dropped from 3W to 1W with no reduction in points. Negating any uniqueness it had. Surely 3W on T3 5+ models isnt OP.

Someone answer me this, whats the point in taking Acolytes over Scions or AM Vets? Sure they can catch bullets for a nearby inquisitor, but is that superior to accessing orders?

I'm thinking back to when GW was spinning thier bull about us being able to use all of our models, that everything we have will be viable in game. My pure Inquisition army and my Hellrifle Inquisitor in power armour say otherwise.

Sorry for the rant but the Jakman is salty. He's very salty.

GW did say you could use all your models, just that you could use all your models that they are selling. Don't get me wrong, a large part of my army is unusable as inquisition at the moment so I to am a bit salty about the inquisition list

GW said you could use all your models (current or not, I think - but, regardless).

What they did NOT say - and which is causing the saltiness - is that you could continue to use them in the same way. You can certainly use any Inquisition model in your army. Their effectiveness will vary a great deal.

With regard to the Acolytes; a 3 W model for 8pts (which can catch bullets for an Inquisitor) was rather too good. I don't know why you would take them over a whole slew of Elite Infantry in the IMPERIUM Faction (because, after all, if you are running an Inquisition force, you are using IMPERIUM as your Faction Keyword) except for that rule. They are designed to be bodyguards for the Inquisitor, first and foremost.

Acolytes have gone down to 1 wound in the FAQ. They are now 8 point guardsmen. Move along, nothing to see here.

I'm AFB at the moment I think psycannons are there in the inquisition ranged weapons list. But they've got a little mark on to say that only inquisitors can have them. That could be causing some confusion above.

 Darknight wrote:
GW said you could use all your models (current or not, I think - but, regardless).

What they did NOT say - and which is causing the saltiness - is that you could continue to use them in the same way. You can certainly use any Inquisition model in your army. Their effectiveness will vary a great deal.

You can't because many of them have illegal gear now.

Demon blade
Power armour
He'll rifle
All no longer exist
Atleast my 6 servo skulls can be reused as objectives

They have actually said different things. The wording I've seen is that the indexes cover every model that they sell, not everything you might own. They never made a model with a daemon sword or hellrifle.

On the other hand they do make inquisitors with power armour, so it's weird that option's gone. And they still let you have psycannons on your inquisitors, despote them never having a model.

Mandragola wrote:
They have actually said different things. The wording I've seen is that the indexes cover every model that they sell, not everything you might own. They never made a model with a daemon sword or hellrifle.

On the other hand they do make inquisitors with power armour, so it's weird that option's gone. And they still let you have psycannons on your inquisitors, despote them never having a model.

I've given up trying to make sense of why they did what they did with wargear and units in the Indices - just look at the gakshow they made of Deathwatch again with no rhyme or reason I can discern.

I was looking at the Sororitas Repressor with Acolytes. It has 2 Heavy Flamers and 6 'Firing Ports' which let 6 models inside fire from any point on the model. Plasma acolytes?

Drager wrote:
I was looking at the Sororitas Repressor with Acolytes. It has 2 Heavy Flamers and 6 'Firing Ports' which let 6 models inside fire from any point on the model. Plasma acolytes?

Not at 21pts a model for guardsmen BS of 4+. At best I'd do sotrm bolters, but with the change to 1wound each, they are way overcosted.

When in a vehicle you are effectively paying 21 points to add it to the gun because the repressor has fire points. Thus you are increasing the survivability of the model. That's why I brought up the repressor, without multiple wounds it doesn't matter too much if they are inside the transport and you can't do the same thing with guardsmen.

But at that point, why not just throw sisters in there? Only 1 or 2 points more per model (depending on whether you use regular sisters or Dominions), and they come with BS3+, better armour for when they have to get out, as well as access to acts of faith.

 Fafnir wrote:
But at that point, why not just throw sisters in there? Only 1 or 2 points more per model (depending on whether you use regular sisters or Dominions), and they come with BS3+, better armour for when they have to get out, as well as access to acts of faith.

this. There's just nothing that acolytes do that other Imperial soup units can't do better.

I still like flamer acolytes in a Repressor, that's 8D6 auto hits within 8". Additionally, they are the only models that you can use with the any transport rule, and the only models that can get inside the Inquisitorial Land Raider Prometheus (which is amazing).

Generally though, I agree that sisters do a better job than acolytes in most situations.

Inquisition really is supposed to be an Imperial Soup faction though, they have total authority to commandeer any resources they want. My personal INQ also consists of Ministorum units and Militarum Tempestus (as Inquisitorial storm troopers). It's all still very fluffy and works well together. Arco Flagellants are amazing counter-attack units, and when you put them inside of Sororitas Rhinos, even better. I don't have a unit of crusaders yet, but I don't think I'd take them over Death Cult Assassins or Arco Flagellants. Oh, and Penitent Engines are amazing.

If you are playing a proper Imperial Soup inquisition army, definitely consider a single squad of Retributors though, the Act of Faith they generate really cranks up their damage output.

 Fafnir wrote:
But at that point, why not just throw sisters in there? Only 1 or 2 points more per model (depending on whether you use regular sisters or Dominions), and they come with BS3+, better armour for when they have to get out, as well as access to acts of faith.

Sisters don't get reroll can't take 6 models with 6 special weapons and can't use acts of faith whilst embarked (I think) so are way more expensive for the same guns.

Drager wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
But at that point, why not just throw sisters in there? Only 1 or 2 points more per model (depending on whether you use regular sisters or Dominions), and they come with BS3+, better armour for when they have to get out, as well as access to acts of faith.

Sisters don't get reroll can't take 6 models with 6 special weapons and can't use acts of faith whilst embarked (I think) so are way more expensive for the same guns.

No, but they can get four special weapons in a Dominion Squad (plus a Storm Bolter), and then also get a scout move for themselves and the Repressor. It's not that far off IMO.