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Guys what is bubble-wrap ?

Nasty wrote:
Guys what is bubble-wrap ?

A somewhat flimsy film meant to keep something safe from harm and is quite satisfying to pop.

Nasty wrote:
Guys what is bubble-wrap ?

Imagine that your opponent has a nice juicy squad of devastator marines with a bunch of missile launchers. You want to kill them in assault. Or shooting, but let's pretend you're focusing on assaulting them. If your opponent can encircle them with his models, you can't assault through his models (well unless you can fly) OOH THAT'S WHY WE NEED GARGOYLES.

So his "bubble wrap" unit, of say regular tactical marines, will protect you from chowing down on his important and expensive guys for a turn. Of course, you can still shoot them. But our assault is what terrifies most people. As it should. So the bubble wrap units just provide more time for their regular guys to live before they too become biomass

Perhaps a better example would be a squad of cheap, expendable guardsman strung out in a line encircling that juicy squad of devastators; you want to kill the devastators but have to chew through the guardsman first. You can kill these guardsman easily, but it adds a speed bump that slows down your ability to target the more powerful but also more vulnerable unit.

Would indeed be better bubble wrap. I was just keeping it all space marine. I still can't fathom how people mix and match that much imperium. Space Wolves working together with Blood Angels? Ok. But why does guard always gotta just defect to whatever side hates them the least?

Is there any place for ripper swarms? I only ask because I love the FW model.

And I can't help but think absurdly cheap troop units is a plus, and stealing or sitting on objectives is also a plus given their burrowing thing.

They also can bubble wrap with transports, those things provide both BLOS and are hard to kill.

Thoughts on the Hausperex? It looks amazing at killing both infantry and vehicles but the near 300pt costs is a little hard to swallow (get it ... oh I slay myself). Has anyone used one yet in the field? Would love to know thoughts if people found them to be worth it.

I want to use one really badly, but I just can't find the points for it. There are so many things that can do comparable damage for a lot less.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Is there any place for ripper swarms? I only ask because I love the FW model.

And I can't help but think absurdly cheap troop units is a plus, and stealing or sitting on objectives is also a plus given their burrowing thing.

I honestly consider one unit auto-take. By turn three the table of any 8th Ed game is heavily depleted, so for 33pts you have a unit land on an objective people haven't been focused on.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Is there any place for ripper swarms? I only ask because I love the FW model.

And I can't help but think absurdly cheap troop units is a plus, and stealing or sitting on objectives is also a plus given their burrowing thing.

I honestly consider one unit auto-take. By turn three the table of any 8th Ed game is heavily depleted, so for 33pts you have a unit land on an objective people haven't been focused on.

Pleased you said that and yeah you are saying what I hoped would be right. Gives me an excuse to order at least one model

Well the Barbed Hierodule and Harridan are disappointing.

On the other hand the Scythed Hierodule is good, stone-crusher carnifexes are crazy good and the malanthrope is auto-take because point cost vs power level massive error.

BUT THAT HIEROPHANT THO. Who's the guy with the balls of steel who's gonna play it at 2k just because he can?? And it's a murder machine


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Tyran wrote:
Well the Barbed Hierodule and Harridan are disappointing.

On the other hand the Scythed Hierodule is good, stone-crusher carnifexes are crazy good and the malanthrope is auto-take because point cost vs power level massive error.

But yes, stone crushers better than regular carnifexes in every conceivable way. I think I run up the table with a brood of 2-3 plus OOE, escorting the malanthrope up the board just to see what happens.

This means I will probably have to drop my Exocrine and Broodlord...but I SAY WORTH (it's probably not at the competitive level but I'm just glad that this can be good now)


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I would actually prefer the Barbed Hierodule over the scythed. Not quite as cheap but the guns are pretty solid. They just look back when you compare them to the Hierophant (but so does basically everything else in the game)

 luke1705 wrote:
BUT THAT HIEROPHANT THO. Who's the guy with the balls of steel who's gonna play it at 2k just because he can?? And it's a murder machine

And you can give it a malanthrope or catalyst.

Tyran wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
BUT THAT HIEROPHANT THO. Who's the guy with the balls of steel who's gonna play it at 2k just because he can?? And it's a murder machine

And you can give it a malanthrope or catalyst.

Not at 2k lmao but otherwise yes. Heck, you can have Swarmy make it move twice

And I mean, transporting the broodlord and his 20 closest friends? Yes please

luke and Tyran, Where are you guys seeing FW rules?

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Is there any place for ripper swarms? I only ask because I love the FW model.

And I can't help but think absurdly cheap troop units is a plus, and stealing or sitting on objectives is also a plus given their burrowing thing.

I'm running one as my troop. Seems like it would have a larger impact than any other min size troop taken for tax, and as you said its also the cheapest.

They were leaked a few hours ago in the FW thread, but the pics are no longer available because it kinda is against the rules.

Kinda totally against the rules. But it'll be out in...58 minutes where I live. And like for real, I'm thinking I might need a second Dimachaeron. Absolutely terrifying.

Explaine why the Scythed Hierodule, the Stone crusher, theH Hierophant and the Dicha are so incredible for a guy that didn't order the FW books for now!!!

 hellpato wrote:
Explaine why the Scythed Hierodule, the Stone crusher, theH Hierophant and the Dicha are so incredible for a guy that didn't order the FW books for now!!!

Well the Dima finally got his 12" move (and with Swarmy's double move is loving life right now). He still blenderizes pretty much anything in cc. Not really an infantry murder machine due to just not having a huge volume of attacks, but I'll take it.

Scythed and Barbed Hierodule both got big points discounts this time around, which is good because they were stupidly overcosted last time. Now they both have a ton of wounds, and their CC attacks are great. The Barbed Hierodule has pretty much the same level of shooting as last edition (pretty good but not going to knock your socks off) but again they are both much cheaper which is great. Definitely worth considering in any list.

The Hierophant is an army in itself. Perhaps the most durable model in the game whose name doesn't have "War_____" in it, though I haven't seen the Phantom Titan yet and I suspect that will be pretty durable as well. His guns are amazing, and his combat skills are a lot more fleshed out than they were last edition. He takes up more than 90% of your 2000 point army, so likely apocalypse only (although I'm already brainstorming how to fit him into a 2k list )

The stone crusher is what a regular Carnifex should have been IMO. Pretty much the same cost but he actually wrecks face in CC without that annoying -1 to hit that normal carnifexes have, which is really their downfall IMO.

I see them.

Heirophant looks overcosted to me, Survivability of about 3.5 Tyrannofexes, puts out about 21 wounds on anything in CC, same in shooting but twice that vs Titanic thanks to macro... he does 42 wounds to himself in a turn basically. Looks fun though.


Wreckers will be the way to go for AT Carnifexes, but im not convinced that is a very strong concept to begin with...


Swarmlord + Scythed Heirodule will cover a LOT of ground. Dima too. leaping forward with a Scythy like that into something important might be a smart play to threaten so much space and snag something turn 1, will probably work nicely next to stealers as well since it threatens the heavy stuff. Might not be priced practically however.





Malathrope will be my HQ, no doubt about it. Not because I think it's undercosted, but I just don't think our other options are that great....

Well it helps that he's undercosted lmao. I think you're right that the Hierophant is overcosted, but he's also doing 4d6!!! (or technically 2d6 x 2) damage on each unsaved wound from his gun. Really complete overkill unless you're playing an apocalypse level game....but if you are...wow!

I think people are underestimating Carnifexes because we're used to them dying so freaking fast, and those of us who have played with them in 8th so far have found the CC versions to be somewhat lacking in a few respects....no longer. No longer.

how important is S8 in the new edition? is 2x Exocrine + a bucket of S5 and S6 enough to cover our AT? Or are Hive Guards a must?

 SHUPPET wrote:
how important is S8 in the new edition? is 2x Exocrine + a bucket of S5 and S6 enough to cover our AT? Or are Hive Guards a must?

Depends on the targets, against T7 or less it is good, but it will be basically useless against Knights or other T8 monsters.

I like the Swarmlords double move.. but that buff only has a 6" range.. which means you need to pod him to really get that on it you wanted it on.. which then just chews up more points... just to get 1 unit into combat

Can someone talk about the rules for Meotic Spores? I only have them from FW and do not want to buy the book for just them.

GodDamUser wrote:
I like the Swarmlords double move.. but that buff only has a 6" range.. which means you need to pod him to really get that on it you wanted it on.. which then just chews up more points... just to get 1 unit into combat

Not really. GS move 8" plus a D6 advance, doubled that is 22" movement on average but potentially up to 28" then an average 7" charge meaning between 29" on the average rolls but a maximum threat distance of 34" on the first turn which covers the majority of the board, no reason to pod Swarmie.

Where are the rules for the fw models? Is it updated and available or do you need to buy a new book to get them?

 Niiai wrote:
Where are the rules for the fw models? Is it updated and available or do you need to buy a new book to get them?

You need to buy a new imperial Armour Xenos book for the rules. It came out today and costs 17 Euro digitally. That is why I am asking about the rules for Meotic Spores. I am not planning to pay 17 Euro just for that.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
I like the Swarmlords double move.. but that buff only has a 6" range.. which means you need to pod him to really get that on it you wanted it on.. which then just chews up more points... just to get 1 unit into combat

Not really. GS move 8" plus a D6 advance, doubled that is 22" movement on average but potentially up to 28" then an average 7" charge meaning between 29" on the average rolls but a maximum threat distance of 34" on the first turn which covers the majority of the board, no reason to pod Swarmie.

But if the Genestealers do their max move its a good chance they outrun the Swarmlord before he can buff them is my point