Blood Angels Tactica - Assaulting and How Meph got a brand new sword.

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**Crimson Devil**

diepotato47 wrote:On that note, has anybody had any luck or got any tips for running Dreads across a table? I just bought a Librarian, Furioso and Death Company Dreads, and I'd like to run all three, but don't want to invest in three Stormravens for them. Any unit combos that will get them where they need to go?

**Karhedron**

diepotato47 wrote:

On that note, has anybody had any luck or got any tips for running Dreads across a table? I just bought a Librarian, Furioso and Death Company Dreads, and I'd like to run all three, but don't want to invest in three Stormravens for them. Any unit combos that will get them where they need to go?

Librarian Dreadnought is easy. He is a Character and so cannot be targetted unless he is the nearest model. Just advance him a bit behind your other units while he casts psychic buffs on them. Once he gets up close, he can charge into combat and start mincing things.

DC Dread really needs to go in a Storm Raven. Furioso is odd man out, I can't really figure out a use for him now.

**bobafett012**

Crimson Devil wrote:

Really? Which characters changed?

I was thinking the same thing. We haven't seen any of the characters at all. They only have given us chapter traits, and hints at what the relic and warlord trait might be, neither of which has anything to do with the characters abilities, as they are all completely separate things.

I agree with you and hope that we get something that benefits CC and Jump Packers. Might get a little of both if we get a decent of angels and red thirst rules back, but we'll see. I will not be playing Razor spam as I find it not fun to play with so even though assault marines aren't always the most competitive, it's what I like to play.

**The Deer Hunter**

I hope for a points change for the Pred Baal, now heavily overcosted, and for Dreaddies, too much point for 8 W.

**sossen**

I could see maybe +2'' charge range being included in the CT.

**Melissia**

Which edition's furious charge are we talking about?

Cause +1s +1a on the charge, IIRC, was a thing in past editions. And THAT as a global buff to all infantry, characters, and dreads would be a nice CT. Would make even tactical marine charges something to fear.

**Red__Thirst**

bobafett012 wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. We haven't seen any of the characters at all. They only have given us chapter traits, and hints at what the relic and warlord trait might be, neither of which has anything to do with the characters abilities, as they are all completely separate things.

I agree with you and hope that we get something that benefits CC and Jump Packers. Might get a little of both if we get a decent of angels and red thirst rules back, but we'll see. I will not be playing Razor spam as I find it not fun to play with so even though assault marines aren't always the most competitive, it's what I like to play.

Agreed with that Bobafett, I don't prefer razor spam either and love jump packs (though not exclusively, I like my tactical squads too). I'm currently trying to decide if I want to build the 5 jump pack models I have into a 5 man assault squad or flesh out my Company Veterans squad from 3 models to 5 models and then use the remaining 3 models for more Death Company. We shall see.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

**senor_flojo**

So I think I've got a 2000 point list set:

Blood Angels 2000 point list

Total 1993 points, 121 power

HQ - 259 points, 14 power

⁃ Lamartes - 129 points, 7 power

⁃ Librarian with jump pack - 116 base points, 7 power, force stave 14, total 130 points

Troops - 275 points, 16 power

⁃ Tactical Squad, 5 man - 65 base points, 5 power, flamer 9, hand flamer 8, chain sword 0, total 82 points

⁃ Tactical Squad, 5 man - 65 base points, 5 power, heavy flamer 17, bolt pistol 0, chain sword 0, total 82 points

⁃ Scout Squad, 5 man - 55 base points, 6 power, sniper rifle x4 16, missile launcher 25, camo cloak x5 15, total 111 points

Elites - 837 points, 59 power

⁃ Death Company with jump packs, 15 man - 300 base points, 30 power, bolt pistol, chain sword, total 300 points

⁃ Death Company with jump packs, 5 man, - 100 base points, 10 power, power fist 20, plasma pistol 7, plasma pistol 7, inferno pistol 20, power sword 4, power sword 4, thunder hammer 20, thunder hammer 20, total 202 points

⁃ Death Company dreadnought - 128 base points, 11 power, heavy flamer 17, melta gun 17, furioso fist x2 50, total 212 points

⁃ Vanguard Veteran with jump packs, 5 man - 90 base points, 8 power, storm shields x4 20, chain swords x4, lightning claw x2 13, total 123 points

Heavy - 162 points, 8 power

⁃ Baal Predator- 107 base points, 8 power, twin assault cannon 35, heavy bolter x2 20, total 162 points

Flier - 460 points, 24 power

⁃ Stormtalon - 110 base points, 9 power, twin assault cannon 35, lascannon x2 50, total 195 points

⁃ Stormraven - 172 base points, 15 power, twin assault cannon 35, hurricane bolter x2 8, typhoon missile 50, total 265

This is for fun, but if I'm gonna do a tournament, I'm switching out the Stormtalon for Astorath, giving me two detachments:

Vanguard - Lamartes, 2 Death Company squads, DC dread, and the Stormraven

Battalion - Librarian and Astorath, two tactical squads, one scout squad, and the rest of the army.

The idea is to have both tactical and scout squads supported on the board by the Predator with Astorath and 5 man DC and DC dread in the Stormraven, and the rest of the army deep strike in.

However, that leaves me with 59 extra points. Any ideas to fill that gap?

**Melissia**

Right now, Stormtalons can't be <Blood Angels>, so you may want to wait until the codex comes out before you buy one. Hopefully it'll let us have one with the <Blood Angels> chapter tag.

Rumors currently have it that you don't get chapter tactics unless your entire detachment has the same <Chapter> tag, so sadly this is a thing you have to consider.

**senor_flojo**

Melissia wrote:
Right now, Stormtalons can't be <Blood Angels>, so you may want to wait until the codex comes out before you buy one. Hopefully it'll let us have one with the <Blood Angels> chapter tag.

Rumors currently have it that you don't get chapter tactics unless your entire detachment has the same <Chapter> tag, so sadly this is a thing you have to consider.

Read my comments after the list, Stormtalon is for fun, replacing with Astorath if/when it matters.

Sadly, I already have a Stormtalon built and painted BA theme.

**Melissia**

I get that. I just really hope our CT will give us some realy fun options is all.

**senor_flojo**

Yeah, it's baffling we don't get access to more flyers considering the chapter tactics and all.

**Red__Thirst**

I get the feeling that the proliferation of jump packs in our list has predicated a lack of flyers, with the exception of the Storm Raven obviously.

The thing that miffed me, speaking of things omitted, was the lack of Cataphracti Terminator armor of any kind in the Blood Angels list. I have five of them from my Betrayal at Calth box that I can't really use unless I field them as regular terminators. Which I could do, but would rather not as it's not technically WYSIWYG, which I strive to have in my army.

Still, I'm curious to see what we get in our own codex, hopefully some good surprises, at least.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**Spado**

I don't have faith in GW rule writers, as it seems none loves the men in red. They'll probably just give us the red thirst and that's it. We won't get any useful melee oriented trait because GW hates us.

**rhavien**

I hope they lower the cost of our infernopistol and flamepistol. They are expensive as hell. Look at the eldar fusion pistol. Same thing, cheaper and can be spammed by harlequins that all can fall back and shoot as their armyrule. And I also hope they don't forget their own words on chapter tactics, so it will benefit the whole army and not only special builds. Yeah and please give us access to the new terminator variants. We are a 1st founding chapter. Maybe we wasted them all boarding space hulks? The addition of stormtalons would be also welcomed. Why does't GW want to get money from us buying things they already sell?

**Melissia**

Yes. Hand flamer is way overpriced. Sisters are complaining about this too.

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I noticed to my dismay that the Terminator Ancient is basically just a chaplain who can take something other than the Crozius Arcanum, but lacks a 4+ save.

Sad. But I guess it makes him a bit more of a beatstick and leaves the HQ slot open for someone else or something. But Chaplain being an HQ opens up space for detachments...

**senor_flojo**

Question about fielding Astorath and Lemartes together:

So let's say I have both characters within 6" of a Death Company squad that's attacking. Astorath has Litanies of Hate that lets you reroll failed hit rolls for nearby Blood Angels, and Lemartes had Fury Unbound that also rerolls failed hit rolls for Death Company.

Do they stack, allowing me two opportunities to reroll a failed hit for my Death Company?

**Melissia**

I don't think so. But I don't see anything in the rules that says you don't. Will have to look deeper when I'm not suffering from insomnia.

**Red__Thirst**

You can't reroll a reroll, it's in one of the margins in the core rules/battle primer.

Page 4, top left side of the page in the margin:

"Re-rolls
Some rules allow you to
re-roll a dice roll, which
means you get to roll
some or all of the dice
again. You can never
re-roll a dice more than
once, and re-rolls happen
before modifiers (if any)
are applied."

In other words, I'd let Astorath effect one one group of assaulters with his Litanies, and let Lemartes boost your Death Company.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**p5freak**

Replace Astorath or Lemartes with Brother Corbulo. Replace 10 DC with 10 CV, with two Chainswords, and you get 41 attacks, at S5. The seven 6s you roll, you get seven additional attacks, rerolling failed attacks. BC can revive dead models, or heal characters.

**fatbudda319**

p5freak wrote:
Replace Astorath or Lemartes with Brother Corbulo. Replace 10 DC with 10 CV, with two Chainswords, and you get 41 attacks, at S5. The seven 6s you roll, you get seven additional attacks, rerolling failed attacks. BC can revive dead models, or heal characters.

Problem there though is that Corbs has to foot slog or ride in a transport? Surely a normal jump pack priest would be better? You lose out on a few attacks but it would end up cheaper/more flexible? Also wouldnt one squad of 10 vanguard vets be better than 2, 5 man company vets in this case?

**Melissia**

I wonder if I can model a chaplain helmet and crozium-carrying hand on the BA Ancient model. I get an extra CP if I swap my Termie Ancient for a Termie Chaplain and split my terminators off from my main force-- I don't really like the idea but it looks like CP are going to be super-important.

**senor_flojo**

Red__Thirst wrote:
You can't reroll a reroll, it's in one of the margins in the core rules/battle primer.

Page 4, top left side of the page in the margin:

"Re-rolls
Some rules allow you to
re-roll a dice roll, which
means you get to roll
some or all of the dice
again. You can never
re-roll a dice more than
once, and re-rolls happen
before modifiers (if any)
are applied."

In other words, I'd let Astorath effect one one group of assaulters with his Litanies, and let Lemartes boost your Death Company.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Yeah, seemed too good to be true

**Melissia**

Ah, thanks. I remember that being a thing but I couldn't find it in the book for some reason. Probably just overlooked it while scanning through.

**senor_flojo**

Yeah, easy to overlook it being in the margin

Anyways, have you guys seen the general SM codex leak? Things are looking promising, imo

**Melissia**

Yeah, I have. And they look pretty promising indeed. Hoping we get those reivers, that'd be badass.

**senor_flojo**

All done painting!

**Red__Thirst**

Nice!

Rocking the old school Lemartes I see? Love the Storm Raven also.

Great looking army sir! Well done on having a finished force.

Do you know what kind of basing scheme you're going to go with by chance? Just wondering.

Take it easy and thanks for showing off your work.

-Red__Thirst-

**Tpiddy**

That looks awesome! Time to unleash rage on some xenos!

**Melissia**

Nice! Lookin' good.

Speaking of basing scheme, since I'm doing red primer, I'm thinking... would a gentle layer of sand work perhaps, for a red-sand theme? Hmm.