8th ed CHAOS tactica

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**DiabloSpawn33**

Gordon Shumway wrote:
andysonic1 wrote:
Demantiae wrote:
How do troops disembark from flyers now? there's nothing in the hover rule to state that flyers have to go into hover first before unloading troops. Do they just parachute out before the flyer zooms off?

You disembark at the start of your turn, this is impossible with the Min move distance while zooming. You must go into hover and then disembark.

Where is the rule that a flyer needs to be in hover to allow its passengers to disembark? I had assumed it to be the case, but I can't find the rule. Maybe I'm just not following why this is impossible with the min distance move as you say.

This rule doesn't exist, they are free to disembark and then the flyer can move.

**Roknar**

lessthanjeff wrote:
I'm annoyed with a couple things in the forgeworld book. They lost some units like the deimos vindicator with laser destroyer and other units lost options/weapons.

To the earlier discussion of genestealers, I just faced a good number of them. I interrupted their attacks whenever I could, shot them with lots of middling guns to get them below 10 to reduce their number of attacks quickly, and kept counter charge units like khorne berserkers or bloodletters near my lines. Was able to wipe them out with them only doing a couple wounds of damage to me.

Yea, looks like my rapiers are going to have very odd looking heavy bolters. I also almost got a vindicator, lucky I didn't.
On the plus side, I can finally get me that kharydbis lol. The anvillus on the other hand seems less useful now unless you can't afford a kharybdis. Having ObSec was kind of a big deal.

**Fan67**

Had huge success with this list recently, going to try Nurgle variation next week and post some thoughts.

Spoiler:

Just calculate the threat range and the average ammount of mortal wounds.

Inspired by Clan Scryre battalion from AoS.

**hippyjr**

Are the new death guard units from the DI box are usable by other legions? Could I field them as <black legion> or would I have to field them under a <chaos> detachment to use them, thereby missing out on the bonuses from my BL characters?

**Kuklops**

luke1705 wrote:
Kuklops wrote:
luke1705 wrote:

Having played more than a few games with maxed out turn 1 assault Nids (who do this a lot better than CSM, I promise) be careful with putting all your eggs in that basket. A good army will have a screening unit or two to prevent you from getting to the good stuff, thus forcing you to weather a turn or two of shooting no matter when you first hit their lines

How do you find trying to screen you units against Trygon deep striking then gaunts through the tunnel? I'm finding a good Nids list can put you under pressure from across the board and hit your flank/rear in the first few turns. Nids make us being 'okay/good' at melee totally defunct... Genestealers totally wreck face. I've had to redesign all my lists to make them way more shooty.

You definitely have to be able to do two things in 8th:

1) Counter a turn 1 assault
2) kill hordes that have access to an invuln/FNP

Genestealers are especially rough because they are some of the most points-efficient versions of both of those things. That's usually what I bring through the tunnel as a Nids player.

For CSM, I like using the poxwalkers as a screen. Blue horrors are also insanely points-efficient, but you'll likely have to spend some CP saving them from morale doom. The real question (imo) is where CSM's offense comes from. I'm thinking a combination of quad heavy bolters and Leviathan Dreads with Butcher Cannons. So much dakka, and a nearby lord lets all of them re-roll 1's to hit

My counter assault is probably going to have to be An'ggrath because
1) I am building my whole list around him
2) The leviathans have some really enticing melee options but their guns are just so much better

The Leviathan is a beast. I'm running mine with siegeclaw, hellflamer & butcher cannon too, comes in at 327 points but with 14 wounds and Machina Malifica (1/3 chance of recovering wounds) as well as a 5++ it's going to take some damage... Shame it can't take 2 butcher cannons! I plan to run one up the centre of my army, shielding it wtih cultists. I can't get behind £35 for 1 FW rapier so I'm running 2 squads of Havocs with HBs instead, more expensive in points but I have the models & I think they're cooler IMO & with splitfire should I need it. Doesn't leave many points in the list, a Lord for the reroll 1s on the Leviathan & HB havocs and 2 Heldrakes and a Predator is 1500 points all done. I really hope it does better against hordes while still being able to deal with other lists - probably not.

**Captyn_Bob**

hippyjr wrote:
Are the new death guard units from the DI box are usable by other legions? Could I field them as <black legion> or would I have to field them under a <chaos> detachment to use them, thereby missing out on the bonuses from my BL characters?

All the death guard units, have the death guard legion
So you can take them in any chaos army, but you won't get to share auras with black legion no.

**kooshlord**

30k Iron warrior player here. Does a battalion with plasspam CSM/chosen/havocs, a DP, a couple fist/chainfist/soulburner contemptors, maybe a cc Leviathan seem viable?

I've got a spartan, some predators, a Falchion, and a couple knights I could throw into the mix also. Siege tyrants as counts as obliterators, but sounds like they suck now.

Seems like I might be weak against dudespam lists?

**EverlastingNewb**

Is the Kytan any good? Don't have the book yet.. :(

**Kuklops**

EverlastingNewb wrote:
Is the Kytan any good? Don't have the book yet.. :(

It's pretty nasty!

514 points with its gun. Quite a bit cheaper without (like nearly 37 old meltabombs cheaper).

With full 11-22 wounds its M12" S10 A5

WS3+ BS3+ T8 Ld9 Sv3+

Gatling cannon is 48" Heavy 8 S8 AP2 D3 can shoot models within 1"

Cleaver of Khorne is smash = Sx2 AP4 D6 or slash = S-user Ap2 Dd3 3 hit rolls per attack instead of 1

5++
Heals a wound
Advance rolls use 2d6 to determine max move
Explodes

**jy2**

I will be starting off my 8th Ed adventure with Chaos! Now what type of Chaos, I don't quite know yet.....

**luke1705**

Kuklops wrote:

The Leviathan is a beast. I'm running mine with siegeclaw, hellflamer & butcher cannon too, comes in at 327 points but with 14 wounds and Machina Malifica (1/3 chance of recovering wounds) as well as a 5++ it's going to take some damage... Shame it can't take 2 butcher cannons! I plan to run one up the centre of my army, shielding it wtih cultists. I can't get behind £35 for 1 FW rapier so I'm running 2 squads of Havocs with HBs instead, more expensive in points but I have the models & I think they're cooler IMO & with splitfire should I need it. Doesn't leave many points in the list, a Lord for the reroll 1s on the Leviathan & HB havocs and 2 Heldrakes and a Predator is 1500 points all done. I really hope it does better against hordes while still being able to deal with other lists - probably not.

Ah crap! I misread that and thought I could take 2 butcher cannons as long as they gave up both claws and melta guns

**Latro_**

Fan67 wrote:
Had huge success with this list recently, going to try Nurgle variation next week and post some thoughts.

Spoiler:

Just calculate the threat range and the average ammount of mortal wounds.

Inspired by Clan Scryre battalion from AoS.

wow just wow, read decimation rules... you bad bad man

**luke1705**

Oh also the Leviathan has to take 2 hellflamers.....rip hordes lmao

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Man classic example of Chaos forgetting how to do things as well as the imperium....their relic leviathan can have double cannons...and it's 4++ works all the time :(

**saint_red**

Putting double ranged weapons on Leviathans always seems like a massive waste to me anyway. If you're paying for a S8, T8 14W close combat monster why have it sit back and take potshots all game?

Looking through the FW Index I am really liking the Hellforged Predators. Plasma destroyer + lascannon sponsons for long ranged shooting and the melta or flame cannon with heavy flamer sponsons for supporting close combat units. The fact it takes an elite slot is ever better.

**luke1705**

I don't feel like 4 attacks is really a "cc monster", even if he is hitting and wounding on 2's.

The butcher cannon is just such a great weapon. Having it on a durable platform and never missing with a lord nearby to help it re-roll ones is pretty solid, but you're right that it's a pretty good assault platform. Kind of like a mini knight

**Slayer-Fan123**

luke1705 wrote:
Kuklops wrote:

The Leviathan is a beast. I'm running mine with siegeclaw, hellflamer & butcher cannon too, comes in at 327 points but with 14 wounds and Machina Malifica (1/3 chance of recovering wounds) as well as a 5++ it's going to take some damage... Shame it can't take 2 butcher cannons! I plan to run one up the centre of my army, shielding it wtih cultists. I can't get behind £35 for 1 FW rapier so I'm running 2 squads of Havocs with HBs instead, more expensive in points but I have the models & I think they're cooler IMO & with splitfire should I need it. Doesn't leave many points in the list, a Lord for the reroll 1s on the Leviathan & HB havocs and 2 Heldrakes and a Predator is 1500 points all done. I really hope it does better against hordes while still being able to deal with other lists - probably not.

Ah crap! I misread that and thought I could take 2 butcher cannons as long as they gave up both claws and melta guns

Nah, I had half expected the Leviathan Dread for Chaos wouldn't be allowed to give up BOTH melee weapons anyway. Plus why would ever want to waste those sexy melee stats?

I see hordes being more an issue, so I'm leaning towards the Grav weapon for one arm and the Drill on the other.

**luke1705**

Not to be rude, but which of those weapons do you think are geared to succeed against hordes? An extra d3 shots is nice but I don't often want lascannons that do extra damage against vehicles/monsters/titans fired against mass infantry. Would rather have the butcher cannon for that, or quad heavy bolsters. Or both

**saint_red**

It goes to 5 attacks with double drills or claws, which means with double drills you're doing 11 wounds to a Land Raider. It's hard to be good at anti-horde and anti-vehicle/monster in close combat, and the CC Leviathan should probably be going after the heavier targets.

For anti-horde/all rounder I think butcher cannon + claw will be the way to go. The butcher cannon will be pretty sweet against hordes that don't have morale immunity.

**Gordon Shumway**

Why not the grav gun for hordes?

**Rydria**

Daemonettes are no longer available on the games workshop webstore, and not talking temporally out of stock. (United Kingdom)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Daemons-Daemonettes-of-Slaanesh

**luke1705**

Gordon Shumway wrote:
Why not the grav gun for hordes?

Because even for a 20 man squad, it averages 8 shots. The butcher cannon ALWAYS gets 8 shots, even against 5 man squads, 10 man squads or even a single model. The grav gun has a higher damage characteristic vs tanks and such, but the butcher cannon is pretty good against everything. More consistent damage output.

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Rydria wrote:
Daemonettes are no longer available on the games workshop webstore, and not talking temporally out of stock. (United Kingdom)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Daemons-Daemonettes-of-Slaanesh

USA store too

**Rydria**

luke1705 wrote:

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Rydria wrote:
Daemonettes are no longer available on the games workshop webstore, and not talking temporally out of stock. (United Kingdom)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Daemons-Daemonettes-of-Slaanesh

USA store too

I hope it is just a repackage for AOS/40k as a slaanesh main in both systems i'd be a bit upset to see my god squatted when Nurgle, tzeentch and Khorne have wonderful new things. Being optimistic is probbly is just a repackage since Slaanesh is the only one who hasn't got a battle force yet and he has been waiting for a relevant plot line to receive one.

**BoomWolf**

Why hope for a repack and not for a whole new model?

If you are being optimistic, might as well go all the way.

**3rdlegion**

I cannot remember the last time Slaanesh got a new unit like Plague Drones, Blood Slaughterers, Kytan, Primach etc.

Cautiously optimistic this means there will be a new (release for Slaanesh collectors for both systems with new units and models, though I see nothing wrong with the current plastic demonettes.

**Rydria**

BoomWolf wrote:Why hope for a repack and not for a whole new model?

If you are being optimistic, might as well go all the way.

Well if you want optimistic i'd like them to re release the juan diaz Daemonettes again, I only managed to get 60 of them when they where released for that 1 week, and would love to have more.

3rdlegion wrote:I cannot remember the last time Slaanesh got a new unit like Plague Drones, Blood Slaughterers, Kytan, Primach etc.

Cautiously optimistic this means there will be a new (release for Slaanesh collectors for both systems with new units and models, though I see nothing wrong with the current plastic demonettes.

Last time slaanesh got models was in 2012 at the very end of 5th edition, when it got the seeker chariot, and the finecast herald of slaanesh.

**luke1705**

So how do we get Zerkers into combat effectively? I'll likely do a Kharybdis in time, and perhaps one of the land raider variants that can carry 20 from FW. But I don't like the whole disembark before movement for regular tanks because your opponent can pretty effectively outmaneuver you during their movement phase, although the re-roll charges helps.

**labmouse42**

3rdlegion wrote:
I cannot remember the last time Slaanesh got a new unit like Plague Drones, Blood Slaughterers, Kytan, Primach etc..

Seeker chariots, released at the same time as plague drones.

And just for the record, seeker chariots are awesome. Slaanesh chariot heralds are amazing ... characters with a hell of an impact.

**3rdlegion**

Rydria wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:Why hope for a repack and not for a whole new model?

If you are being optimistic, might as well go all the way.
Well if you want optimistic i'd like them to re release the juan diaz Daemonettes again, I only managed to get 60 of them when they where released for that 1 week, and would love to have more.

... I thought I had a problem with collecting demonettes. I collected 60 myself but that was before the re release, through ebay and second hand trades.

I wish Slaanesh would get some knight or walker thing to balance things out seeing as the other gods have unique engines.

**Gordon Shumway**

What kind of daemon engine would it be? A giant evil massage table!

**darthryan**

A massive fat deamon on tracks like the lord of skulls but covered in writhing naked slaves and huge kfc buckets of food with used syringes littering the ground