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demontalons wrote:
I'm wondering if you can still make rubric marines with different legion tactics. Setting up warpflamers rubrics 9 inches away would be very nice. Or a berserker unit

Probably, but they'd have to be Elites because they'd need the ALPHA LEGION (or whatever) keyword.

Until the Tsons codex drops I'm ok with that

demontalons wrote:
I'm wondering if you can still make rubric marines with different legion tactics. Setting up warpflamers rubrics 9 inches away would be very nice. Or a berserker unit

Yeah, you can take non-KSons Rubrics so long as you pop them in the elite slot.

On a similar note, I kinda hope we get a stratagem that lets us customize our troop choices. Pay 1 CP to make one of the cult troops/Chosen/Possessed a troop choice instead of elites. Would be a fun way to further customize your Legion/Renegade Chapter.

Want to bring a forge world unit in my knight army, but tossing up between the sytrix and the ravager

styrix:
4++ save
2 more wounds
flamers
ignores cover bonus

ravager:
better close combat
heals better
faster
doesnt get weaker as it takes wounds


both look good, and leaning more towards ravager but im not sure if moving faster and better in close combat is worth it taking wounds easier, and worreid it will just be focused first... a 4++ can be very useful vs lascannon spam

It almost seems blasphemous to ask...but might possessed actually be worth it with 2 wounds and no increase in cost? They do become 3/5++ two wound models with solid melee, riding the line between being as tough as termies while being closer to berserkers in cost and having melee that is firmly good, if not as good as berserkers. They can also benefit from a herald, unless I'm off the mark?

drakerocket wrote:
It almost seems blasphemous to ask...but might possessed actually be worth it with 2 wounds and no increase in cost? They do become 3/5++ two wound models with solid melee, riding the line between being as tough as termies while being closer to berserkers in cost and having melee that is firmly good, if not as good as berserkers. They can also benefit from a herald, unless I'm off the mark?

Depends how well they compare on offense to actual daemons. Who are typically cheaper.

I think they can benefit from Heralds as they have the Daemon keyword, and can take a god keyword, but my problem with Possessed is the random attacks. That's just really crappy. Maybe they don't want to make more of those kits (similar case with Obliterators/Mutilators)? They seem to get worse every edition or Codex, though Crimson Slaughter Possessed were decent enough.

I wouldn't say they are getting worse, on the contrary. The Crimson slaughter possessed were the only ones that weren't absolute trash(still overcosted), and in Traitor Legions you couldn't use those. I think they are viable now for the first time since... ever?

Yes, the latest FAQ specified that Possesed and other units with the DAEMON keyword benefit from Daemon Heralds. Warp Talons, Obliterators but also Magnus (bringing The Changeling alongside him is a must now).

The extra Wound on Possesed makes them more viable now, especially for those who don't want to bring Berserkers. Sure they are better in CC than Possesed but not all the players want to add Khorne units in order to keep the fluff.

Btw, can possesed use a Rhino as dedicated transport? With all those wings and tentacles they must be quite packed in there.

They are [Legion] infantry so they can be transported. Would be cool to get their wings back, but probably Warp Talons fulfil that job these days.

Being able to put them in a rhino is pretty cool. Makes them likely to get into combat, and they are fairly durable once they get there. Stat wise they are sort of like assault primaris marines.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/02/legion-focus-night-lords-aug-2gw-homepage-post-2/

Ok I really like the night lords. Feel weird about how well they stack with god bonuses.

Night lords seems rather good, you just need to make sure you nuke whatever LD character the enemy has running around.

Makes every assault unit a tiny bit more scary, and a grouped assault a hell lot more scary.

Not bad, not bad. Still think some form of Psychic Shreik would take Night Lords from a situational bonus to something you could actually build a list around.

But that psychic power!? Woof! +2S and +1A to a Heretic Astartes unit!? Here's what I want to do: 5 Man WE Termies with Combi-Melta and Power Fists, then throw on Warptime, prescience and Diabolical Strength to get them a total of 21 S12 AP-3 Dd3 attacks hitting on 3+! Wreck literally anything with that! Then, once the Termies have had their fun, throw that combo on 10 man Zerkers coming up in the Rhinos! Mmmmm, saucy!

 mrhappyface wrote:
Not bad, not bad. Still think some form of Psychic Shreik would take Night Lords from a situational bonus to something you could actually build a list around.

But that psychic power!? Woof! +2S and +1A to a Heretic Astartes unit!? Here's what I want to do: 5 Man WE Termies with Combi-Melta and Power Fists, then throw on Warptime, prescience and Diabolical Strength to get them a total of 21 S12 AP-3 Dd3 attacks hitting on 3+! Wreck literally anything with that! Then, once the Termies have had their fun, throw that combo on 10 man Zerkers coming up in the Rhinos! Mmmmm, saucy!

Diabolical Strength only works on one model, not the entire unit. Best to save it for when your character has to show why the enemy should fear them.

Hopefully Icon of despair doesn't require mark of nurgle in the codex, Then Night Lords will be a pretty damn good army. I'd definitely invest in more Warp talons if that's the case as they are pulling a hell of a lot of weight for me at the moment on the field.

Tristanleo wrote:
Diabolical Strength only works on one model, not the entire unit. Best to save it for when your character has to show why the enemy should fear them.

Just re-read that, ;_;

Not so great then. Not sure what I'd throw that power on then, maybe make a DP S9/10 with 8/9 attacks or a Helbrute S10 with 8 attacks (9 if a WE unit). Or maybe I'll throw it on a Fire Raptor.

That also reminds me, Daemon Princes can't benefit from Legion rules if it's still infantry, bikes and Helbrutes. Seems like an oversight :/

 mrhappyface wrote:

Tristanleo wrote:
Diabolical Strength only works on one model, not the entire unit. Best to save it for when your character has to show why the enemy should fear them.

Just re-read that, ;_;

Not so great then. Not sure what I'd throw that power on then, maybe make a DP S9/10 with 8/9 attacks or a Helbrute S10 with 8 attacks (9 if a WE unit). Or maybe I'll throw it on a Fire Raptor.

That also reminds me, Daemon Princes can't benefit from Legion rules if it's still infantry, bikes and Helbrutes. Seems like an oversight :/

I was wondering that though they can easily fix it to be infantry, bikes, helbrutes and characters.

There is a psychic shriek style power in the slaaneshi discipline.. but it is so so bad.
But maybe could have some value tagging a steed Herald to a NL list (They are good anyway)

So, Diabolic Strength. I was looking over the Contemptor Dread, contemplating putting one in my list when I decided to check out the NL reveal. I immediately thought I'd look at how that psychic power might affect a Contemptor. Holy fookin shizle! You can have a S16 dread, with double chainsaw claw thing (AP-4, D4), 6 attacks, hitting a Land Raider on 2's, wounding on 2's, 6+ save unless if somehow has an invul save and a potential of 24 damage per round. With a 16.6% chance to miss a hit, same chance of failing to wound, and same chance of a wound being saved there's a damned good chance enough damage is going through that armour to kill it in one turn. Let me say that again - A HELFORGED CONTEMPTOR DREAD CAN ONE SHOT A LAND RAIDER! And the icing on the cake is if the Lr was at full health, statistically you're gonna heal up 5 wounds! Now ok you're saying, if it needs to heal 5 wounds then it's only hitting on 3's, but you can afford for 2 attacks to not penetrate and still kill the thing in one round...

I was thinking about building up a cool looking dread for my AL, calling it The Beast and converting it to fit my warband. I think I just found the beast for the job! Bloody thing is only 260ish points with a bling havoc launcher for funsies. And a sorcerer is hardly a tax. Hell you can even make both Tzeentch and go ahead and give him a 4++ with 3++ in combat too! How do you deal with a dread who is 50% invul to damage and can heal up pretty much any damage you can dish out by tearing open a LR and eating it's contents like it's a bag of sweets?

Oh and hellbrutes (which a contemptor is now) are -1 to hit at +12"in AL (*if* the rumours are correct and they've been fairly spot on so far). If you're in 12" then you're lunch. If your're over 12", good frickin luck trying to make the damage stick. I guess I should start practising shouting RAMPAGE every time this thing gets into enemy lines :-D

My Fire Raptor finally arrived! Before I go ahead and build it I wanna get some opinions on what is the best loadout, my instinct is to go for:
Chaos Fire Raptor
- Twin Bolt Cannon
- 2x Quad Heavy Bolters
- 2x Twin Lascannons
-422pts
That's 10x Bolt Shots, 24x heavy Bolter shots and 4x Lascannon shots.

I'm also wondering whether it would be a nice idea to either give it Tzeentch keyword and psychic for a 5++ or Slaanesh Keyword for a 5+++, could be very tasty! Also, the NL strategem could give it a -2 to hit! Scratch that, infantry only. :/

(I'm painting it up to join my Night Lords airborn wing, currently consisting of a DP, Jump pack Sorceror, Raptor unit, Heldrake and Hellblade. Though I'm not building it tonight as I'm not entirely sober.)

 mrhappyface wrote:
My Fire Raptor finally arrived! Before I go ahead and build it I wanna get some opinions on what is the best loadout, my instinct is to go for:
Chaos Fire Raptor
- Twin Bolt Cannon
- 2x Quad Heavy Bolters
- 2x Twin Lascannons
-422pts
That's 10x Bolt Shots, 24x heavy Bolter shots and 4x Lascannon shots.

I'm also wondering whether it would be a nice idea to either give it Tzeentch keyword and psychic for a 5++ or Slaanesh Keyword for a 5+++, could be very tasty! Also, the NL strategem could give it a -2 to hit! Scratch that, infantry only. :/

(I'm painting it up to join my Night Lords airborn wing, currently consisting of a DP, Jump pack Sorceror, Raptor unit, Heldrake and Hellblade. Though I'm not building it tonight as I'm not entirely sober.)

I'm not convinced that the Lascannons are worth it over the standard missiles.

I have a Fireraptor...and I didn't realize that you could give it keywords (ie, Tzeentch)... are you sure that's kosher?

Just double checked, and the Fire Raptor (as well as the other Eyrine Cults vehicles) do in fact have the <Mark of Chaos> keyword.

@ Mr Happyface -

Heres a few customisable loadouts for your raptor. Make a copy and try different targets.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fIYAu1UgDyxMCrnHYUoIdviPottSyRSQGTSgmsNxHfs/edit#gid=877951252

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

Reposting from the news & rumors thread. A Jump Pack Sorcerer with this and Infernal Gaze is probably a better sniper than any actual snipers other factions get.

whembly wrote:I'm not convinced that the Lascannons are worth it over the standard missiles.

I have a Fireraptor...and I didn't realize that you could give it keywords (ie, Tzeentch)... are you sure that's kosher?

I wanna take double lascannon because I see a lot of T8 locally (LRBT, Knights, Morkanaughts, etc.) and that 3+ to wound really helps against those things.

Yep, they have <MARK OF CHAOS> so we can go wild with the Psychic powers.

mcsheehy wrote:@ Mr Happyface -

Heres a few customisable loadouts for your raptor. Make a copy and try different targets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fIYAu1UgDyxMCrnHYUoIdviPottSyRSQGTSgmsNxHfs/edit#gid=877951252

You updated it? Nice.

Sometimes I'm too tired (or drunk ) to do my own mathhammer, thanks.

Quad bolter / Las cannon seems the way to go IMO.

Can a Fire Raptor be magnetized? If so, that would totally be the way to go since it's an expensive model. I don't use FW models (not from a lack of desire or dislike of FW or anything, but more financial reasons), but if I did I would magnetize them since then I wouldn't have to get as many.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Can a Fire Raptor be magnetized? If so, that would totally be the way to go since it's an expensive model. I don't use FW models (not from a lack of desire or dislike of FW or anything, but more financial reasons), but if I did I would magnetize them since then I wouldn't have to get as many.

It can but I'm not really someone with the patience for magnetizing my models. :/

Also, I know for a fact that, if I magnitized my models, I would definitely loose ( ) all the gun options.

Arachnofiend wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

Reposting from the news & rumors thread. A Jump Pack Sorcerer with this and Infernal Gaze is probably a better sniper than any actual snipers other factions get.

Well, if you play a lot of imperial guard, its worth a try. Sorceror must first pass warp test roll, and then after that, must roll higher than toughness on a d6. Even against imperial guard characters, that's only 50%. a double 50% success rate = to just 25% overall for it to suceed. And that's if you are trying to snipe a guard character.

Against most other characters (SM) which are T4 or higher, it will be just one third chance or worse, and combined with having to pass the warp charge roll... I think its not worth it. :(


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 BoomWolf wrote:
Night lords seems rather good, you just need to make sure you nuke whatever LD character the enemy has running around.

Makes every assault unit a tiny bit more scary, and a grouped assault a hell lot more scary.

After reading how scary they can make a nightlord warlord, I do agree. Night lords seem to be our Chaos answer to snipers. We don't have them, instead, we will send in our Night Lord warlord to smash you in the face. lol The only issue of course is that we are sending in our warlord to perform what is effectively supposed to be an assasin's job. Its effectively giving away slay the warlord to the opponent. I suppose it might be worth it if we can slay opponent's warlord first. But that's a big if. Because if its celestine or Gulliman, bets are off.

Anyway, its less of an issue in a night lords army, because you won't be just sending in one single warlord, you will be sending in most of the army, be it in masses of raptors or a mix of raptors and terminators.

Do the Night Lords have access to any special characters?