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Eldenfirefly wrote:


BTW, can I check something here? Is it an issue if I want to equip a champion with powerfist and combi melta? But last time battle scribe seemed to treat it as not allowable. So, I am not sure.

Woah. Yeah so it looks like RAW you cannot. Actually no champion can it seems. It's kind of looking like the combi-melta is considered a two hand weapon. Just skimmed the codex, and only terminators can take both per RAW. We'll have to see if this changes in the new dex.

I haven't run into a conscript blob yet, but I feel like infernal gaze should work pretty well at sniping out comissars. Shouldn't take more than a turn or two of infernal gaze to nuke him. But hunting them is definitely going to be key to taking on Guard armies as Chaos. Ironically, so are Dreadclaws and Kharybdis.

Their pistol fired flamers hit EVERY UNIT within the given range. It's a pistol, meaning it can be fire in close combat, and it's D6 hits, the Kharybdis does D3 damage per hit, so that's also gonna put a hur on any Characters trying to bolster a squad. He can try to bubble wrap, but keeping somebody 6 inches away, while staying bubble wrapped will get pretty tricky.

I feel that although there was excitement over the use of a jumpack nightlords warlord to assasinate character, I thought about it more and wouldn't the key characters we want to kill be usually bubble wrapped? It wouldn't be so simple to just deep strike in and charge those characters.

Yeah, GW has not really acknowledged that bubble wrap is a legitimate tactic ATM. I honestly read the rules and felt a Terminator Lord deep striking would have more survivability and a better chance of murking it's way to the center of whatever it might be trying to kill. Infernal gaze remains the most obvious option at, till we see new psychic powers.

So in terms on sniping are have..

Marauders with sniper rifles (only 2 per unit, but pretty cheap and more durable than thier points suggest)

Infernal gaze (one per turn, fairly low damage output)

A new psychic power maybe (I saw it somewhere, looked decent)

The renegade warp flux power (one use only, short range, and hard to cast. At leasts maelic lords are cheap)

The bolt of change and treason of tzeentch psychic powers from the tzeentch daemon discipline (one use only and absurdly hard to cast. The daemon powers really need to improve in thier codex. Having a commisar charge his own conscripts would be delightful.)

The Chaos Warlord Titan sunfury plasma anihalator (ok I'm stretching)

I'm liking the idea of dread claws for sniping the more I'm thinking about them. 1d6 auto hitting pistols all units within 6". Since most chars. Need to be within 6" of the unit they are providing LD buffs to, they will often be within range of that attack.

Let me know if I've got this right or wrong: Night Lord LD debuff stacks to -3 plus icon of despair -1 plus butcher cannon -1 to a total of -5 LD on a unit!

Edit: If that's the case THEY SHALL KNOW FEAR!!

Butcher cannon is -2
It's not clear if it stacks with other debuffs tho.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Butcher cannon is -2
It's not clear if it stacks with other debuffs tho.

If it does stack -6 LD is insane!!!

So what would make a good mono khorne list, including forge world ?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm liking the idea of dread claws for sniping the more I'm thinking about them. 1d6 auto hitting pistols all units within 6". Since most chars. Need to be within 6" of the unit they are providing LD buffs to, they will often be within range of that attack.

That could definitely work! (Tho need to avoid killing your own units)

Butcher cannon stacks with everything but itself so long as the source of the debuff is a different named ability it will stack.

3x NL units for -3Ld. MoN on one of them for +1 to morale rolls (different from -1 Ld). -2Ld from Butcher Cannon. Creeping Terror R&H power (take a cheap Malefic Lord) -d3Ld. So shoot a unit with Butcher Cannon, have the ML cast Creeping Terror on it, charge it with the NL unit with MoN and have 2 other NL uinits nearby and the unit you charge will have -6 to -8 Ld, and you'd add 1 to the morale roll (2-7 roll range). Even with a re-roll you're gonna fail that moral check hard, forcing you to spend CP's or lose the unit. If you fit out a dread with double Butcher Cannon, and take more units with MoN then you can hit a second unit that turn with a -5Ld, which to be fair is pretty damned good by itself.

If you wanna get really nasty and are determined to punish Orks for the lulz you could throw in that DP that throws out -1Ld too. I think there's also something else in chaos that throws out a leadership malus. Can't remember what it is but I did try to look at chaos freakshow options when the R&H list dropped. So it might be possible to get up to -10Ld on a unit if you work it right. Assuming that's the case and you get that best scenario 7 roll on the morale check.then you *could* hurt those Ork boys long before anyone else can. Or you could just shoot them off the table!

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm liking the idea of dread claws for sniping the more I'm thinking about them. 1d6 auto hitting pistols all units within 6". Since most chars. Need to be within 6" of the unit they are providing LD buffs to, they will often be within range of that attack.

The other nice thing about both of our pods is obviously having the Fly Keyword - If for some reason you start your turn outside of 6" of your intended target (Character), but still in melee, you can fallback out of melee and closer to them, shoot them, then charge and re-engage. The option of shooting in and out of combat with the pods and the ability to leave and still do work is pretty nice.

Demantiae wrote:
3x NL units for -3Ld. MoN on one of them for +1 to morale rolls (different from -1 Ld). -2Ld from Butcher Cannon. Creeping Terror R&H power (take a cheap Malefic Lord) -d3Ld. So shoot a unit with Butcher Cannon, have the ML cast Creeping Terror on it, charge it with the NL unit with MoN and have 2 other NL uinits nearby and the unit you charge will have -6 to -8 Ld, and you'd add 1 to the morale roll (2-7 roll range). Even with a re-roll you're gonna fail that moral check hard, forcing you to spend CP's or lose the unit. If you fit out a dread with double Butcher Cannon, and take more units with MoN then you can hit a second unit that turn with a -5Ld, which to be fair is pretty damned good by itself.

If you wanna get really nasty and are determined to punish Orks for the lulz you could throw in that DP that throws out -1Ld too. I think there's also something else in chaos that throws out a leadership malus. Can't remember what it is but I did try to look at chaos freakshow options when the R&H list dropped. So it might be possible to get up to -10Ld on a unit if you work it right. Assuming that's the case and you get that best scenario 7 roll on the morale check.then you *could* hurt those Ork boys long before anyone else can. Or you could just shoot them off the table!

If one of the NL units happened to be raptors its another +1 to the mortal test for a range of 3-8, having a spawn in there piles yet another -1LD.

Night lords-where a single kill can be SO BRUTAL it causes entire units of even ATSKNF marines to flee.

Black Legion traits, strategems, etc. being previewed now:
https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Any highlights?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Any highlights?

So far? They quickly showed the Chaos Boon Strategem: 1CP and can only be activated after a character kills a character, monster or vehicle and they showed some traits: the one I could make out was wounds of a 6 cause a mortal wound on top of normal damage.

They're going to show more stuff later on, for now they're showing a joke match of Nid monsters VS SW characters.


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Has there been any talk of a new Abaddon model? I never did get him originally cause Khorne but I'm wondering whether to pick him up or wait for a new model...

so while still mulling over this Night Lord fear thing, and just began to wonder. Do these traits effect cultists? Because they have the keywords, and that would make 3 mobs of 10 cultists a -3 to leadership, which is just friggin hilarious.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Any highlights?

So far? They quickly showed the Chaos Boon Strategem: 1CP and can only be activated after a character kills a character, monster or vehicle and they showed some traits: the one I could make out was wounds of a 6 cause a mortal wound on top of normal damage.

They're going to show more stuff later on, for now they're showing a joke match of Nid monsters VS SW characters.


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Has there been any talk of a new Abaddon model? I never did get him originally cause Khorne but I'm wondering whether to pick him up or wait for a new model...

Nothing imminent. Wargame Exclusive just released a very nice alternative. About the size of the Gravis Captain.

I emailed forge world and asked why chaos contemptors could not be equipped with twin linked las canons and I got this reply:

Hi [redacted],

Thanks for the email. Currently our rules team have requested we gather as many questions as we can related to the new index books and rules that may not be present, clear or need addressing in future FAQ's.
As such we are not able to answer individual questions as they come in but rather add them to our list to send over to the designers as requested to address at a later date.

Rest assured, we will tag and categorize your email and forward it on and soon we should see an FAQ for the new data sheets and units that we have had questions about.

Thanks again

So be sure to email them and ask them as well if you care to get it fixed, as I think it was an oversight and if enough of us chime in hopefully we get it FAQ'd.

email them here forgeworld@gwplc.com

Strategems leaked:
1CP - Character does d3 mortal wounds with a bolter weapon
1CP - Give a unit a Mark of Chaos
1CP - Chaos Boon, 2 is Spawn, 12 is Daemon Prince, 7 choose a bonus, 4 is +3" to move characteristic, 9 +1 to all saves
1CP - Tzeentch can do another power
1CP - Choose a different psychic power
1CP - +1 to wound for a unit of infantry, bikers (not renegade units)
1CP - A Daemon Engine can re-roll to hit and wound for a phase
2CP - A unit of cultists on the board can re-deploy via deep strike within 6" of a board edge
1CP - Linebreaker Bombardment
1CP - Killshot (noice)
1CP - Flakk missile
~CP - A Helbrute can fire twice if it doesn’t move
1CP/3CP - extra Artifacts
1CP - Heretic vehicle ignores penelties for assault/heavy weapons
Alpha Legion get the RavenGuard strategem

Artifacts:
Axe of Blind Fury, Murder sword and Black Mace are back + a load more artifacts.

Psychic Powers:
DeathHex - WC 8, 12" an enemy unit can't take invul saves.
~ - roll d6, if higher than a models toughness they take d3 mortal wounds

Warlord Traits:
Alpha Legion WLT is, when your Warlord dies another character becomes your Warlord and gains a new Warlord trait. No StW when you kill the warlord the first time.

Renegades Legion trait is advance and charge.

Based on those leaks slaanesh seems to be now the go to shoting specialists considering they have exclusive access to the best shoting hellbrute varient, and they have the shot twice for infantry units. Also looks like marks may cost cp for every legion except emperor's children and world eaters.


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Any other leaks i really want to know the emperor's children relic, warlord trait and strategem

 Rydria wrote:
Based on those leaks slaanesh seems to be now the go to shoting specialists considering they have exclusive access to the best shoting hellbrute varient, and they have the shot twice for infantry units. Also looks like marks may cost cp for every legion except emperor's children and world eaters.

Marks don't cost CP, you can pay 1CP do give a unit a Mark during a battle depending on what you want to do to a unit. Depending on the wording we might even be able to change marks during a battle...


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 Rydria wrote:
Any other leaks i really want to know the emperor's children relic, warlord trait and strategem

That was all that was leaked on the WarhammerTV stream.

Watching a review for the chaos codex looks like we got a new HQ, exalted champion this is awesome finally we got our lieutenants back.

Also Daemons in chaos space marine book as a troop choice (though only the basic lesser daemons)

edit: Excess of violence the emperor's children stratagem is only 1 CP my god, get +1 attack for every model slain in the fight phase, these bonus attacks can't generate further attacks. This is incredible with noise marines music of the apocalypse.

Looks like Warp Talons still only have 1 Attack base.

EDIT: Also it looks like Obliterator weapons are now Assault 4

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Looks like Warp Talons still only have 1 Attack base.

EDIT: Also it looks like Obliterator weapons are now Assault 4

I can't wait to use my slaanesh shot twice stratagem on them now they are assault 4 that is way better than before.

Edit: Exalted champion is amazing, re-roll to wound aura for close combat pair him up with a dark apostle in a zerker army for that re-roll everything, lesser daemons went down in power by 1 except horrors so I assume they also went down in pts which is amazing.

Edit: Doom siren got buffed it is now assault D6, Emperor's children got the worst relic a pistol :/ At least the slaanesh relic is awesome +1str and +1 attack for free

My Word Bearers are sad... sure their rules a fitting and fluffy but man do they suck a bit compared to the others.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
My Word Bearers are sad... sure their rules a fitting and fluffy but man do they suck a bit compared to the others.

My warlord trait and relic are both awful : ( Also lost cult marines as troops : (

Edit: Actually considering how good the slaanesh artifact is on a daemon prince i'm not going to complain it is arguably one of the top relics in the book.

What is it suppose to be? Some sort of necklace or claws?

Obliterators are assault 4 now which is nice. Even better? Endless Cacophony let's then shoot twice, so they're functionally assault 8.


24 shots, strength 8 ap2 damage 2 with average rolls, hitting on 3s. Slaanesh oblits are fething brutal lads.