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I think this is a whole lot of complaining about what's basically a really minor thing that shouldn't really even impact your day, I mean you've already gotten most of your minis painted already don't you?

 Melissia wrote:
I think this is a whole lot of complaining about what's basically a really minor thing that shouldn't really even impact your day, I mean you've already gotten most of your minis painted already don't you?

Not the point.

The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

ForceChoke wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I think this is a whole lot of complaining about what's basically a really minor thing that shouldn't really even impact your day, I mean you've already gotten most of your minis painted already don't you?

Not the point.

Melissia wrote:The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

Melissia is correct.

It is the point. GW needs to make money. Outside of a few books you are no longer a major source of income for them. New players are. Why the hell should GW cater to your tastes?

 Melissia wrote:
The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

That some fans don't like the new direction ? It's a statement, not an argument subjective in nature.

One could easily say you don't have a point.

Row-boat gills man also looks cartoonish to me. And others.

What's your point. Aren't people allowed to have subjective opinions?

 Lance845 wrote:
Saying 40k is not for kids is insane. 40k is written with 13 yr olds in mind. The fluff is ridiculous and unrealistic and over the top EXACTLY like an anime aimed at the same age group. You ever pick up a codex and read a curse word in it?

It's not (primarily) for kids. This game is ridiculous, it's over the top and it makes almost no sense.

Get your reality out of my grimdark.

 Lance845 wrote:

ForceChoke wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I think this is a whole lot of complaining about what's basically a really minor thing that shouldn't really even impact your day, I mean you've already gotten most of your minis painted already don't you?

Not the point.

Melissia wrote:The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

Melissia is correct.

It is the point. GW needs to make money. Outside of a few books you are no longer a major source of income for them. New players are. Why the hell should GW cater to your tastes?

And that's upsetting to some long term fans. Because they used to. Lots of people disliked AOS. I suppose you're afraid of different opinions? Feed back can cripple a company's IP. Mass Effect andromeda comes to mind. Loads of fans hated 7th. Why is this offensive to you that others have a disgust for the aesthetic? I see no difference than people being annoyed at 7th rules and Myself and friends disliking the new aesthetic.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

That some fans don't like the new direction ?

And I'm allowed to think your dislike is pointless and baseless-- which it is. There's nothing stopping you from looking up painting methods that you feel aren't "cartoony". There's millions of them out there on the interwebs. GW providing one that's a little more "cartoony" (to use your phrase, I disagree with it) doesn't really impact much of anything outside of there now existing a more colorful painting guide. Which harms no one.

 ForceChoke wrote:
I disagree 40k is for adults who used to be kids. And for kids that are lucky enough to have parents that either played 40k or d&d or modeled cars and miniature trains. This game is old.

lmao

Christ, if the old guys who play Napoleonics heard you say that some of them might literally die from laughing so hard.

 Jaxler wrote:
Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Oh no, it totally was, because someone glued a new helmet and a tabard on this one snap-fit Tactical Marine sergeant, see?

GW dumbing everything down now, I swear to god! Next thing you know the models will assemble themselves...

I guess you couldn't call Dark Vengeance "cartoony/anime" since originally it didn't even have fething box art...

Also ForceChoke, the picture you used for those Iron Hands is not a "kit bash", it's a metal/Finecast upgrade kit GW sells for the Tactical Squad box. The most "converting" you'll have to do might be cutting off one of the Marine's legs and gluing the metal limb on instead. Likewise I don't see what, if any, real work went into the Marines in the other pictures you shared, though admittedly that might just be because all Marines kinda blur together and look the same to me. Maybe I'm just being pedantic but when I think of kit-bashing I think of taking unrelated kits that weren't necessarily designed to be combined together and making something new out of it. "Converting" a model I feel also means doing more than gluing a different arm or leg on than the "standard" one.

Look at some of the crap John Blanche does with his models for an example of what I think of when I hear customization. I'm not the biggest fan of his art but man is he creative when it comes to gluing gak together.

 Talamare wrote:
I don't think this game is for little kids, but I definitely think their target audience is around 14~16.

Which is still technically a kid, in my 30-year-old eyes.

 Talamare wrote:
The gluing together aspect of the game wouldn't work for anyone under 12.

I was ruining model kits at a far younger age than that...with parental supervision, of course, but still.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
GW isn't purely catering to hardcore fans, otherwise they won't be making any money. They want to make it approachable by new players who might not have the luxury of an awesome mum or dad who played the game in their youth.

Not to mention time. Time is a big issue for people nowadays.

I've seen a lot of people who are looking at getting into 8th edition now because of the "dumbed down" ruleset. They were intimidated by 40k before because they thought it was too complicated or bloated (and it was) and didn't think they could learn how to play or didn't have the time to try and learn, who now feel like maybe they can, with fewer pages of rules and the promise of much faster games. So it sounds like they are indeed succeeding at making the game more accessible...now if only they could address their insane prices while they were at it.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I'm unsure why it should be kept as a niche for nostalgic parents and their kids. You dont want GW to continue getting enough money to support the game? You don't want GW to bring new people into the hobby to become more popular? It was invented by kids in the first place, riffing off crazy 80's stuff.

No, of course not. GW should cater to me and only me. They should make what I want. The business will learn to subsist on my custom alone and if it can't then it's just because they're incompetent and deserve to fail.

 ForceChoke wrote:
Alot of people care about it. All my friends that play got into the hobby because of customisation and a love for modeling. My whole army is kitbashed. I have blood angel parts highly converted , space wolves, choas bits, and more all in one army.

And literally nothing is stopping you from doing that. If anything the release of more plastic kits just means more options to customize with.

I don't really get what your hang-up is, just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to have a good whine.

 Melissia wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The point is that I don't think your point has much of a point.

That some fans don't like the new direction ?

And I'm allowed to think your dislike is pointless and baseless-- which it is. There's nothing stopping you from looking up painting methods that you feel aren't "cartoony". There's millions of them out there on the interwebs. GW providing one that's a little more "cartoony" (to use your phrase, I disagree with it) doesn't really impact much of anything outside of there now existing a more colorful painting guide. Which harms no one.

How is a subjective opinion baseless?

I don't like Fish. My friends do like fish. It's like saying your opinion of disliking fish that doesn't agree with your pallet is baseless.

I don't think you understand what you're saying.

40k is already so Cartoonish and Anime :O Its more Anime than the anime i watch.
I Think you should go back and ask exactly what you mean, Clarity of your message.

Being highly detailed doesn't really make them easier to paint than normal space marines, with the models you present not really looking particularly easy over other things in the line.

With Cartoons and anime being such huge genres its not really a great way to scale the message you want.

Apple fox wrote:
40k is already so Cartoonish and Anime :O Its more Anime than the anime i watch.
I Think you should go back and ask exactly what you mean, Clarity of your message.

Being highly detailed doesn't really make them easier to paint than normal space marines, with the models you present not really looking particularly easy over other things in the line.

With Cartoons and anime being such huge genres its not really a great way to scale the message you want.

Honestly, that 's the most succinct adjective I could use. Cartoonish. It looks Cartoonish. Why is this critique so offensive?

How is mine and others personal opinion of it looking like a fusion anime cartoon wrong? Clearly, it's a subjective opinion.

I can see a pattern here "We Don't Like What he said. It doesn't align with our ideas, quick get the pointy hats and rope"

Okay you're right My subjective opinion is wrong whatever ...

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't really get what your hang-up is, just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to have a good whine.

That, and "nobody's allowed to like this unless they like it the same way I do".

 Melissia wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't really get what your hang-up is, just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to have a good whine.

That, and "nobody's allowed to like this unless they like it the same way I do".

Only you guys are saying that.

 ForceChoke wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
40k is already so Cartoonish and Anime :O Its more Anime than the anime i watch.
I Think you should go back and ask exactly what you mean, Clarity of your message.

Being highly detailed doesn't really make them easier to paint than normal space marines, with the models you present not really looking particularly easy over other things in the line.

With Cartoons and anime being such huge genres its not really a great way to scale the message you want.

Honestly, that 's the most succinct adjective I could use. Cartoonish. It looks Cartoonish. Why is this critique so offensive?

How is mine and others personal opinion of it looking like a fusion anime cartoon wrong? Clearly, it's a subjective opinion.

I can see a pattern here "We Don't Like What he said. It doesn't align with our ideas, quick get the pointy hats and rope"

Okay you're right My subjective opinion is wrong whatever ...

not wrong at all, But trying to enplane something so loosely is bound to attract Criticism. Anime and cartoons are very broad, and your OP seems to be talking about a bunch of different things.
If you are referring to US Cartoons i just do not see it, some Anime maybe but no more than other 40k things from long before 8th was a thing.
And again, whats with the easy to paint With small model counts on the board, its a bit baseless since you do not have any examples otherwise.

But if you post on this forum you do have to know that people will respond.


"40k isn't for kids. Stop Infantilising 40k . We don't want pokemon/yugio 40k "
This is where you sorta jump of the ladder, 40k is so far from the aesthetics, design and tone of both those shows. Its just throwing out some words with no thought to there meaning.
They are different from each other also, particularly with the visual design.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:
I disagree 40k is for adults who used to be kids. And for kids that are lucky enough to have parents that either played 40k or d&d or modeled cars and miniature trains. This game is old.

lmao

Christ, if the old guys who play Napoleonics heard you say that some of them might literally die from laughing so hard.

 Jaxler wrote:
Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Oh no, it totally was, because someone glued a new helmet and a tabard on this one snap-fit Tactical Marine sergeant, see?

GW dumbing everything down now, I swear to god! Next thing you know the models will assemble themselves...

I guess you couldn't call Dark Vengeance "cartoony/anime" since originally it didn't even have fething box art...

Also ForceChoke, the picture you used for those Iron Hands is not a "kit bash", it's a metal/Finecast upgrade kit GW sells for the Tactical Squad box. The most "converting" you'll have to do might be cutting off one of the Marine's legs and gluing the metal limb on instead. Likewise I don't see what, if any, real work went into the Marines in the other pictures you shared, though admittedly that might just be because all Marines kinda blur together and look the same to me. Maybe I'm just being pedantic but when I think of kit-bashing I think of taking unrelated kits that weren't necessarily designed to be combined together and making something new out of it. "Converting" a model I feel also means doing more than gluing a different arm or leg on than the "standard" one.

Look at some of the crap John Blanche does with his models for an example of what I think of when I hear customization. I'm not the biggest fan of his art but man is he creative when it comes to gluing gak together.

 Talamare wrote:
I don't think this game is for little kids, but I definitely think their target audience is around 14~16.

Which is still technically a kid, in my 30-year-old eyes.

 Talamare wrote:
The gluing together aspect of the game wouldn't work for anyone under 12.

I was ruining model kits at a far younger age than that...with parental supervision, of course, but still.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
GW isn't purely catering to hardcore fans, otherwise they won't be making any money. They want to make it approachable by new players who might not have the luxury of an awesome mum or dad who played the game in their youth.

Not to mention time. Time is a big issue for people nowadays.

I've seen a lot of people who are looking at getting into 8th edition now because of the "dumbed down" ruleset. They were intimidated by 40k before because they thought it was too complicated or bloated (and it was) and didn't think they could learn how to play or didn't have the time to try and learn, who now feel like maybe they can, with fewer pages of rules and the promise of much faster games. So it sounds like they are indeed succeeding at making the game more accessible...now if only they could address their insane prices while they were at it.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I'm unsure why it should be kept as a niche for nostalgic parents and their kids. You dont want GW to continue getting enough money to support the game? You don't want GW to bring new people into the hobby to become more popular? It was invented by kids in the first place, riffing off crazy 80's stuff.

No, of course not. GW should cater to me and only me. They should make what I want. The business will learn to subsist on my custom alone and if it can't then it's just because they're incompetent and deserve to fail.

 ForceChoke wrote:
Alot of people care about it. All my friends that play got into the hobby because of customization and a love for modeling. My whole army is kitbashed. I have blood angel parts highly converted , space wolves, choas bits, and more all in one army.

And literally, nothing is stopping you from doing that. If anything the release of more plastic kits just means more options to customize with.

I don't really get what your hang-up is, just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to have a good whine.

Thanks, I consider it a compliment because over 6 different types of space marine parts and kits were used. It took a lot of work getting them to look like vanilla marines. Lovely community personal attacka character assassination attempts. Nice ....

The guy right in front of the banner is a blood angle, Thunder Hammer is also a blood angle. Other Marines I have are using choas heavy bolters. Others have space wolves parts. Some parts were ordered online like the bionic arm holding a chain sword. That's called kit bashing.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/879447-.html

I'm really not interested in being insulted further. Please desist with your harassment.

 ForceChoke wrote:


And that's upsetting to some long term fans. Because they used to. Lots of people disliked AOS. I suppose you're afraid of different opinions? Feed back can cripple a company's IP. Mass Effect andromeda comes to mind. Loads of fans hated 7th. Why is this offensive to you that others have a disgust for the aesthetic? I see no difference than people being annoyed at 7th rules and Myself and friends disliking the new aesthetic.

A small minority were upset about AoS which by all accounts started reinvigorating the setting and making a bunch of money once they introduced points and fixed a lot of the issues with the initial launch. By all accounts AoS is currently a success and profitable.

You can dislike the aesthetic all you want. Hate the way models look. Biovore model looks super derpy. Exocrines look like dumpy turtles. Some models are just bad. But don't pretend like your dislike is even a blip on the radar or that your opinion carry any kind of weight. I full blown hate the way the current official exocrine model looks. So I kit bashed my own. No problems.

ME Andromeda is a product that need to be purchased by all their fans that directly translates into whether or not every customer will purchase the next product. Your like or dislike of these models has no bearing on your like or dislike of the next models released. Especially because you were unlikely to buy any of these or the next models anyway. As you said, you have all your armies built and you didn't use the official models to build them. You kit bashed and modified. What you are talking about is NOTHING like Biowares situation with Mass Effect.

I am not "afraid" of different opinions. I am all for it! But to support your opinions you made a claim that 40k was not for children. You made comparisons about the product being turned into something for young teenagers and "anime". I refuted your claim and your comparisons because they are wrong. Read the Gathering Storm fluff. It's a anime. Read the Horus Heresy. It's a Anime.

You act like the fact that you have an opinion means it entitles you to.... anything. It doesn't. You have one. Enjoy it. Sit with those who share it and talk about all the things you like and dislike. But the fact is GW is making money and you are not buying. So why should they even spare a single moment for your opinion? To quote you from another thread...

 ForceChoke wrote:
I'm not going to play 8th. No templates dumb downed rules. No Firing arcs No thanks. F GW this was the last straw.

Bye! ::waves::

GW's visuals have, for the last several years, trended more and more towards a videogame-y look, increasingly imitating stuff like League of Legends and WoW in terms of art design. Part of this, I'm guessing, is trying to keep "hip" with certain crowds, but part is also due to GW's decision to go all plastic.

Plastic has advantages. It scales much better in terms of marginal cost for production capacity, and allows for very lightweight but very large models. Hence why we've seen the profusion of things like Knights, Riptides, Baneblades, etc. The problem with plastic is that it also has limitations on what one can do with it in terms of detail, undercuts, curves, etc. This lends plastic kits to certain visual styles. This has been going on for several years, and is why the game increasingly looks the way it does. The coupling of official art to strictly render exactly what the plastic kits look like (while older art was generally inspirational and not directly representative of the kits) further pushes that style.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Ok, how do they look like cartoons.
Because those look 3d to me, if i remember, cartoons are 2d

I think my least favorite thing about this thread is agreeing with melissia on things. Not everything but still, too close for comfort.

 Vaktathi wrote:
GW's visuals have, for the last several years, trended more and more towards a videogame-y look, increasingly imitating stuff like League of Legends and WoW in terms of art design. Part of this, I'm guessing, is trying to keep "hip" with certain crowds, but part is also due to GW's decision to go all plastic.

Plastic has advantages. It scales much better in terms of marginal cost for production capacity, and allows for very lightweight but very large models. Hence why we've seen the profusion of things like Knights, Riptides, Baneblades, etc. The problem with plastic is that it also has limitations on what one can do with it in terms of detail, undercuts, curves, etc. This lends plastic kits to certain visual styles. This has been going on for several years, and is why the game increasingly looks the way it does. The coupling of official art to strictly render exactly what the plastic kits look like (while older art was generally inspirational and not directly representative of the kits) further pushes that style.

This I personally agree with

Okay, so your opinion is 40k models are "too cartoony" and that the game is made for adults, not kids.

Your opinion may indeed be subjective, but I think it needs more to back it up than what you've provided, which may be one of the reasons people are taking issues with your thread and not seeing the point of it. 40k from its inception was very much aimed at kids and teens, and the background, art, models and general "feel" of 40k backed it up. Everything looked kinda goofy and cartoonish even back in Rogue Trader days, and the fluff didn't pretend to be deathly serious, either...it had an obvious slant of humor and satire baked into it. The models have always had bright and sometimes garish paint jobs, hell, it was worse back then, if anything. Do you remember the Rainbow Warriors Chapter? Someone already posted an example of a Slaaneshi Marine earlier, I think that speaks for itself. Somewhere around 3rd or 4th edition GW kinda lost the plot a bit and started taking themselves a little too seriously, and started edging more towards the "dark" and "gritty" we all know, but even that I would argue is an attempt to appeal to kids/teens because once kids get to a certain age they start desperately wanting to be treated like adults, and try to prove that they're "mature" by becoming more interested in media with more violence, sex, drugs, etc.

Like today with video games, you'll find that games like Call of Duty, which were meant to appeal more to older gamers, are mostly played by children and teens. And not only that but they're also far ruder and more obscene than most adults are, because they think every other fething word being a swear makes them more "adult" and cussing people out over the mic in a game makes them little badasses. At the same time, Pokemon still has a sizable adult fanbase who collect things and still play the games, and when Pokemon GO came out last year, I saw far, far more adults playing the game than little kids...in fact I remember the few kids/teens I saw at the parks around that time giving people dirty looks or saying things under their breath. We're talking kids who couldn't be older than 13-14 thinking they were too old or too good for it...like I said, because they have something to prove, whereas adults mostly don't give a gak and do what they want because it's fun.

I don't really see what the big deal is. I get the feeling a lot of it is just denial, like people don't want 40k to be a "kids game" because they're insecure and don't want to admit they're still interested in something that was originally intended to be sold to a younger audience...but at the same time, it isn't necessarily something that an older audience can't also enjoy and there's really no shame in being a 40k fan either way. It's probably better than saying to someone "I still like Pokemon", anyway. Building and painting models can be a hobby unto itself and it isn't something that's limited to a certain age group.

 ForceChoke wrote:
Honestly, that 's the most succinct adjective I could use. Cartoonish. It looks Cartoonish. Why is this critique so offensive?

Because you act like this is a new development when it's always looked cartoonish! Yeah, 40k's had some "edgy" artwork at times, but the models have always had exaggerated, "heroic" proportions and look more like comic-book style miniatures than an attempt at making realistic-looking, well-proportioned soldiers. A lot of GW vehicle kits look like straight-up toys on top of that, and in some cases even include actual toy-like gimmicks (like the Tau sun shark bomber with it's pop-up missile bay with giant plastic hinge that looks like the kinda thing you'd see in the Wal-Mart toy aisle).

If anything I'd argue the Primaris Marines could actually be an attempt by GW to kinda get away from that. They're taller and more well-proportioned compared to regular Space Marines, they have longer weapons, their new vehicle seems to be going for a more "realistic" look, especially with the turret covered in crap...yeah, they're painted in bright colors, but uh, Marines kinda always have been, so...

Apple fox wrote:
With Cartoons and anime being such huge genres its not really a great way to scale the message you want.

Yeah, in particular "anime" isn't a very good way to describe anything. Anime doesn't really describe any particular genre, it's just animation produced in Japan, and from what I understand covers a pretty wide range of genres just like animation or film produced in any other country.

Pretty sure if you really look into it you'll find anime that's darker and scarier than any of the crap you'll see in a 40k rulebook.

 ForceChoke wrote:
Thanks, I consider it a compliment because over 6 different types of space marine parts and kits were used. It took a lot of work getting them to look like vanilla marines. Lovely community personal attacka character assassination attempts. Nice ....

I don't like Space Marines much. I'm not kidding when I say they all kinda blend together. Even if I really tried I would struggle to identify where all the parts came from, and I don't doubt that you used parts from 6 different kits, either.

Not really "character assassination", I don't think...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Ok, how do they look like cartoons.
Because those look 3d to me, if i remember, cartoons are 2d

This is cartoonish to me.. That's hardly a stretch of the imagination. Again it's subjective.

Well I guess marines are finally getting the reverse ork treatment., huh. Seriously look at old orks and nids and compare them to current ones and tell me with a straight face that its more cartoony.

Goddam zoats I tell ya.

Its like I keep telling people. You aren't going to like every model. There are people that despise the new repulsor tank, and those that love it. Who is right? Who is wrong? Nobody. To think that every model GW makes should adhere to your preferences is arrogant and childish. Buy and paint the models you like, its not that hard. GW also paints things really flat and bland to show off their product. Brightly lit pictures aren't very grimdark but they look good in a catalogue.

It's actually impressive that GW makes enough variety to get so many people interested in its universe. The same can't really be said about other games.

 Don Savik wrote:
Well I guess marines are finally getting the reverse ork treatment., huh. Seriously look at old orks and nids and compare them to current ones and tell me with a straight face that its more cartoony.

Goddam zoats I tell ya.

Its like I keep telling people. You aren't going to like every model. There are people that despise the new repulsor tank, and those that love it. Who is right? Who is wrong? Nobody. To think that every model GW makes should adhere to your preferences is arrogant and childish. Buy and paint the models you like, its not that hard. GW also paints things really flat and bland to show off their product. Brightly lit pictures aren't very grimdark but they look good in a catalogue.

It's actually impressive that GW makes enough variety to get so many people interested in its universe. The same can't really be said about other games.

I agree. With the addition that It's in bad taste to try to belittle people that don't like everything you like.

 Don Savik wrote:
Well I guess marines are finally getting the reverse ork treatment., huh. Seriously look at old orks and nids and compare them to current ones and tell me with a straight face that its more cartoony.

Goddam zoats I tell ya.

Its like I keep telling people. You aren't going to like every model. There are people that despise the new repulsor tank, and those that love it. Who is right? Who is wrong? Nobody. To think that every model GW makes should adhere to your preferences is arrogant and childish. Buy and paint the models you like, its not that hard. GW also paints things really flat and bland to show off their product. Brightly lit pictures aren't very grimdark but they look good in a catalogue.

It's actually impressive that GW makes enough variety to get so many people interested in its universe. The same can't really be said about other games.

I actually think GW has a massive lack of variety in there 40k range They have a good deal of factions, But are only now really getting good distinct models within them.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Ok, how do they look like cartoons.
Because those look 3d to me, if i remember, cartoons are 2d

This is cartoonish to me.. That's hardly a stretch of the imagination. Again it's subjective.

You need to elaborate, Cartoonish ? How exactly.
To colorful maybe ? Personally i Do think so.
Its not simple, It would cost a lot of animate, with the unit so distinct.
It has a lot on it, But i do not think its to much for what its trying to represent.
Hard to kitbash for sure, But not being a marine player for most of my 40k life, it has not really been a issue and i welcome the design that has gone into these.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Ok, how do they look like cartoons.
Because those look 3d to me, if i remember, cartoons are 2d

This is cartoonish to me.. That's hardly a stretch of the imagination. Again it's subjective.

The worst thing about that is probably the face of the helmet...or lack thereof. The giant cartoony teeth with a giant tongue or tentacle coming out is sort of cartoonish, but the one on the belly doesn't bother me as much as the face.

But, if you fancy yourself a converter/kit basher, it should be easy to fix. A simple head swap would do it, or finding out another way to fix the face.

The "Cartoonish" look is 90% paintjob.



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As for the issue of whether 40k is for kids or not, what does it matter :

“When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” -CS Lewis

Because this community will continue 100 years later by the undead.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Because this community will continue 100 years later by the undead.

I won't let death stop me!