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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/28 21:50:10
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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That could work, but I was really hoping to get one with the 3 pronged klaw, not 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/28 22:50:50
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Alaska
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Maybe Ghazzy's klaw would match up?
The klaw would be big enough that it might not be too had to scratch build from plasticard.
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YELL REAL LOUD AN' CARRY A BIG CHOPPA! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 02:46:33
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Billagio wrote:The megaboss looks awesome. Does anyone know of a proper sized power klaw he could have in his left hand?
Mine has the grabbin' klaw from the battlewagon kit.
Seems about the right size. I also plan on using the shoulderpads from a kanz kit for his pauldrons soon. Too bad he's a terrible model.
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"The undead ogre believes the sack of pies is your parrot, and proceeds to eat them. The pies explode, and so does his head. The way is clear." - Me, DMing what was supposed to be a serious Pathfinder campaign.
6000 - Death Skulls, Painted
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 02:54:45
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Hmmm yeah Ghazzy might work or I’ll scratch build it. Maybe there will be a good one with a new release, who knows.
Wait you don’t like the megaboss model? I think he looks awesome. Ironjaws in general looks way better than our orks for the most part imo
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 07:10:17
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Flashy Flashgitz
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tneva82 wrote:I tried getting dice app in use. Of course have yet to find anybody in tournament etc to agree. No surprise seeing those can be faked. Could even do it myself if I wanted and then have bunch of 1's roll bit more 3's and 4's than odds say...And short of somebody doing long extensive statistical analyze of what results I get with my app nobody would be wiser. During one game nobody would even get hint of a suspicion. So I'm not surprised at all nobody outside friend circle trusts. Nevermind the inherit unrandomness of computer random which isn't true random but pseudo random.
But how nice of you just dismiss as mere complaining. Shows more about you and not in a good way.
I find your experience with the app odd, maybe it's in the way you try to pitch the app to your opponents? I use the assault dice app at tournaments all the time, its endorsed and branded by GW, I've had only maybe two opponents from 50+ tell me I can't use it. All you gotta say is: "bro I'm playing a horde army, I/we need to save this time, this app is written by GW and 40+ dice is just gonna average out anyway".
I'm giving you a very clean and respectable answer to not rolling buckets of dice and feeling demoralised by the effort/wasting your time. The slow thing about the app is re-rolling dice (you have to manually select dice to re-roll), but we have no meaningful re-rolls atm, so the app is an absolute pleasure to use.
I said what I said about complaining because I thought at first you were concerned about the time it takes to roll dice, but after re-reading it seemed you were complaining about how ineffective you feel while playing horde armies (and number of dice was just a symptom of this issue). I can't solve why you think horde army losses are unsustainable, and I don't care to speculate the solutions, but I can offer a speed upgrade to your experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 07:40:01
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Billagio wrote:The megaboss looks awesome. Does anyone know of a proper sized power klaw he could have in his left hand?
The klaw from the AoBR warboss suits him just fine.
Photo:
I put it on his right hand here, but it can just as well go on the left.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 08:09:49
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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That guy looks awesom
Good thing I still have a spare AOBR warboss lying around
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 11:04:15
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Billagio wrote:Hmmm yeah Ghazzy might work or I’ll scratch build it. Maybe there will be a good one with a new release, who knows.
Wait you don’t like the megaboss model? I think he looks awesome. Ironjaws in general looks way better than our orks for the most part imo
There have been quite sticky rumors that we're going to get a new plastic ghaz. I'd wait with getting a new one till the codex drops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 11:52:28
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Nasty Nob
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Oguhmek wrote: Billagio wrote:The megaboss looks awesome. Does anyone know of a proper sized power klaw he could have in his left hand?
The klaw from the AoBR warboss suits him just fine.
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I put it on his right hand here, but it can just as well go on the left.
I think that AoBR Boss Klaw is a little small for that model, if it were me.
I'd planed to scratch build my own Ghaz a few years ago but have yet to get to it.
I did however build a Power Klaw for a Warboss you might like. Easy enough to do and from start to finish maybe 6 hours of work.
The build in this post from my blog if you want to see it.
https://warhead01.blogspot.com/2014/08/more-art-of-ork.html
I think the klaw parts came from the Stompa kit. I also used liquid green stuff to fill the cracks as well as cover the claw in thin layers for easier painting.
Unfortunatly this boss took a dive onto the floor a while back  and I haven't fixed him yet. The Klaw is still attached and took no damage!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 13:02:24
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk
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.Funny that you guys would mention putting a claw on the AoS warboss. I was considering getting him, but I would use him for the Big Choppa that he comes with to replicate the relic BC.
Is there any cheaper places to get him other than GW's webstore?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 13:50:30
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Shrapnelbait wrote:.Funny that you guys would mention putting a claw on the AoS warboss. I was considering getting him, but I would use him for the Big Choppa that he comes with to replicate the relic BC.
Is there any cheaper places to get him other than GW's webstore?
Well, actually I had the same thought, so because I hadn't painted him yet, I recently changed out the PK for a BC and gave him a nice bosspole. He's now sitting on my painting table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 14:24:58
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk
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Oguhmek wrote:Shrapnelbait wrote:.Funny that you guys would mention putting a claw on the AoS warboss. I was considering getting him, but I would use him for the Big Choppa that he comes with to replicate the relic BC.
Is there any cheaper places to get him other than GW's webstore?
Well, actually I had the same thought, so because I hadn't painted him yet, I recently changed out the PK for a BC and gave him a nice bosspole. He's now sitting on my painting table.
Nice. You should drill out some Space Marine heads and stick them on that bosspole to make a trophy rack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 14:53:20
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Gruxz wrote: Billagio wrote:Hmmm yeah Ghazzy might work or I’ll scratch build it. Maybe there will be a good one with a new release, who knows.
Wait you don’t like the megaboss model? I think he looks awesome. Ironjaws in general looks way better than our orks for the most part imo
There have been quite sticky rumors that we're going to get a new plastic ghaz. I'd wait with getting a new one till the codex drops.
Yeah thats my plan. Just trying to get an idea of what I want to do incase we dont get a new model or its not that great. I think I would use this guy as a more generic warboss though if we get a new ghazzy model anyway
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 15:25:22
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Nasty Nob
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man, I hadnt realized you could model him without the giant bird skull on his shoulder! Thats pretty awesome
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ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 18:59:55
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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davou wrote:man, I hadnt realized you could model him without the giant bird skull on his shoulder! Thats pretty awesome
Mine is actually the guy from the Maw Krusha kit, but I think you can leave the skull out of the regular one too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 20:36:35
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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With the new video preview of more gsc minis it seems like gw is hyping up "the next big release" of models, like there was nothing else worth to preview that would be released before them. I want to be optimistic, but at this point with the lack of rumors or seek peaks it seems we are only going to get a codex.
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"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
geargutz interpretation of the 'umies "eggs in one basket" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 21:20:47
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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geargutz wrote:With the new video preview of more gsc minis it seems like gw is hyping up "the next big release" of models, like there was nothing else worth to preview that would be released before them. I want to be optimistic, but at this point with the lack of rumors or seek peaks it seems we are only going to get a codex.
There were some rumors just a day ago on KeriothTV.
Rumors Ork Codex:
Codex was seen by the source
Codex+ Dice
Ork bits upgrade sprues...
plastic Ghazkull
Warboss clam pack release
Wartrakk, Buggies and Defkoptas being worked on, but not part of the initial release.
Looted Wagons may be back in the codex
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 22:31:43
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Gruxz wrote:geargutz wrote:With the new video preview of more gsc minis it seems like gw is hyping up "the next big release" of models, like there was nothing else worth to preview that would be released before them. I want to be optimistic, but at this point with the lack of rumors or seek peaks it seems we are only going to get a codex.
There were some rumors just a day ago on KeriothTV.
Rumors Ork Codex:
Codex was seen by the source
Codex+ Dice
Ork bits upgrade sprues...
plastic Ghazkull
Warboss clam pack release
Wartrakk, Buggies and Defkoptas being worked on, but not part of the initial release.
Looted Wagons may be back in the codex
Rumors have been....questionable. at this point I can't take anything not from gw without gallons of salt.
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"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 22:42:37
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Gargantuan Gargant
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geargutz wrote:Gruxz wrote:geargutz wrote:With the new video preview of more gsc minis it seems like gw is hyping up "the next big release" of models, like there was nothing else worth to preview that would be released before them. I want to be optimistic, but at this point with the lack of rumors or seek peaks it seems we are only going to get a codex.
There were some rumors just a day ago on KeriothTV.
Rumors Ork Codex:
Codex was seen by the source
Codex+ Dice
Ork bits upgrade sprues...
plastic Ghazkull
Warboss clam pack release
Wartrakk, Buggies and Defkoptas being worked on, but not part of the initial release.
Looted Wagons may be back in the codex
Rumors have been....questionable. at this point I can't take anything not from gw without gallons of salt.
Yeah without pics its hard not to think GSC are up next soon, even if its just for Kill Team.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 23:44:28
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Grimskul wrote:geargutz wrote:Gruxz wrote:geargutz wrote:With the new video preview of more gsc minis it seems like gw is hyping up "the next big release" of models, like there was nothing else worth to preview that would be released before them. I want to be optimistic, but at this point with the lack of rumors or seek peaks it seems we are only going to get a codex.
There were some rumors just a day ago on KeriothTV.
Rumors Ork Codex:
Codex was seen by the source
Codex+ Dice
Ork bits upgrade sprues...
plastic Ghazkull
Warboss clam pack release
Wartrakk, Buggies and Defkoptas being worked on, but not part of the initial release.
Looted Wagons may be back in the codex
Rumors have been....questionable. at this point I can't take anything not from gw without gallons of salt.
Yeah without pics its hard not to think GSC are up next soon, even if its just for Kill Team.
Yeah I know, I bet it's either cult or wolves
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 23:44:53
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Alaska
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I think there's a possibility that GW might release Kill Team with new GSC models before either the Orks or Space Wolves books are out. Kind of like how Forgebane was several books before the Imperial Knights codex.
Of course the books in between didn't get much of anything in terms of models. I think there's a small possibility they might do a split-release for GSC because they have to wait the longest. Like, GSC get a few push-fit models in the Kill Team box, then Orks and SW get big releases, then GSC gets the full multi-part versions of the push fit kits and maybe one more new kit.
I don't know how likely that is, I just haven't given up on new models for orks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/29 23:48:17
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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If the Ork codex is released with no new models, I for one will be boycotting GW from all further purchases until they decide to support the range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 01:38:04
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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An Actual Englishman wrote:If the Ork codex is released with no new models, I for one will be boycotting GW from all further purchases until they decide to support the range.
Well at least a civil email with my disappointment.
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"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 05:15:39
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Im not so sure well be getting anything net new, but likely some new sculpts of existing stuff
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 09:14:54
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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New models are new models, even if they're existing data sheets. To be honest that's probably the preference.
I can think of no other reason that we'd be so late in the codex release schedule. Craft world and Tyranids were released about 9 months ago. If the GSC models release before new Ork models they will have both had new models before Orks too, in effect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 12:30:23
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I want new sculpts for existing models. Our range right now is completely diluted with crap units as far as datasheets so we don't need new units, just better rules to justify the existing models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 14:23:34
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk
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SemperMortis wrote:I want new sculpts for existing models. Our range right now is completely diluted with crap units as far as datasheets so we don't need new units, just better rules to justify the existing models.
I would agree with that, but I REALLY want Nobs to be able to get shields like Ogryn, or an upgrade kit to make looted vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 18:25:56
Subject: Re:Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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So, speculation here.1 thing I hope for are at least generous price decreases.
My evidence for this is the homunculus covens of the dark eldar, my brother who plays them says that units like the talos and cronis got way cheaper (quoted from him..."Don't have my books on me, but they got much cheaper. Talos used to be like 230 now it's 160, and cronos used to be 200 now it's like 70").
That's easily around half price off for those iconic covens models.
This gives me hope for our dreddmob. If you didn't know the talos and cronos are the deldar monstrous creatures. They are characterized by being tough, slow moving and good in melee. If this sounds familiar to every close combat focused dredd then this is the deldar version. Unfortunately at the start of 8th in the index they were realy expensive, but as stated above got big price decreases in the codex.
If we cut half the price of our non fw walkers it would look like this (went for cheapest upgrades)
Killa kans at 32
Deffdredds at 65
Gorkanauts 175
Morkanauts with kff at 170
If at least this happens in our codex then I would be a happy camper. I would take a dreddmob to my next tournament in a heart beat.
How about you guys, would you forgo the green tide if our walkers were buffed like this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 21:38:47
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Roarin' Runtherd
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I certainly hope that deff dreads and the like get improvements. For the gorka and morkanauts I'd rather they were just a little cheaper and got some improvements than just way cheaper. I hope with the help the DE monstrous walker-type things got, combined with how good knights are, we get decent rules for walkers. Comparing the gorkanaut to the knight gallant makes me sad. Same price but the gallant is much more durable and a better fighter. And then compare warglaives to deff dreads. that makes me want to weap.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/30 23:08:17
Subject: Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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I dont know if I would completely forgo my boyz in favor of walkers if the price changes you listed happen. I still like my boyz and want to bring at least 90 of them.
That being said I would certainly bring more walkers. Ive been eyeing the gork/morkanaut as a model and might get one regardless of a price change so any buffs to it would be welcome. I like the deff dread model as well so making them useful to take would give me an excuse to pick up a few start collecting boxes as well.
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