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I have a 2k list I've priced out. It's more fluffy than anything but I think it still has teeth. It also uses all the new buggies except the Squig Trukk, which I deem unviable.

Outrider, Evil Sunz

Deffkilla wartrike, warlord super cybork body (not decided trait)
12 x warbikes, big choppa Nob
KBB
Scrap jet

Brigade, Evil Sunz

KFF Big Mek (index)
Weirdboy (warphead) Da Jump, Fists of Gork
Zhadsnark
3 x 10 boys
3 x 10 grots
SJD
Snazzwagon
Deffkopta
Mek (rezmekka red armour, in bone breaka)
Painboy
5 x Nobz (PK, BC x 4, ammo runt, also in bone breaka)
Bone breaka
5 x lootas
5 x lootas

Name of the game is turn 1 and 2 target saturation. I'm hoping firepower will clear a screen allowing me a juicy charge turn 1. Definitely need the 2 CP cover strat if I go second. Bone breaka teleports in turn 2 and causes carnage. Was thinking of taking evil Sunz warlord trait for Deffkilla but it feels like a bit of a waste. Grots, Lootas and some boys hold backfield as required. Weirdboy can send units to objectives or sure up weaknesses and, I really want to cast fists of Gork on the Wartrike because 7 str 9 2+ attacks with reroll failed wounds -2 AP and d3 DMG sounds hot. So he could da jump himself to make it happen. Or painboy if he needs healing. Deffkopta is there to be a flying pest.

Thoughts? Warlord trait suggestions?

gungo wrote:
I’m still confused i thought we were pretty clear that units of only Gretchin models don’t get kulturs.
Which like goatboy said means Mek guns still do!
Kans are shooty and dreads are melee that’s how it’s alsys been.

Based on current codex information; meek gunz have the Gretchin tag, and are now single models (no more squads). As a result, Mek gunz are comprised of only Gretchin models, so do not get culture. Same with killa kanz.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I have a 2k list I've priced out. It's more fluffy than anything but I think it still has teeth. It also uses all the new buggies except the Squig Trukk, which I deem unviable.

Outrider, Evil Sunz

Deffkilla wartrike, warlord super cybork body (not decided trait)
12 x warbikes, big choppa Nob
KBB
Scrap jet

Brigade, Evil Sunz

KFF Big Mek (index)
Weirdboy (warphead) Da Jump, Fists of Gork
Zhadsnark
3 x 10 boys
3 x 10 grots
SJD
Snazzwagon
Deffkopta
Mek (rezmekka red armour, in bone breaka)
Painboy
5 x Nobz (PK, BC x 4, ammo runt, also in bone breaka)
Bone breaka
5 x lootas
5 x lootas

Name of the game is turn 1 and 2 target saturation. I'm hoping firepower will clear a screen allowing me a juicy charge turn 1. Definitely need the 2 CP cover strat if I go second. Bone breaka teleports in turn 2 and causes carnage. Was thinking of taking evil Sunz warlord trait for Deffkilla but it feels like a bit of a waste. Grots, Lootas and some boys hold backfield as required. Weirdboy can send units to objectives or sure up weaknesses and, I really want to cast fists of Gork on the Wartrike because 7 str 9 2+ attacks with reroll failed wounds -2 AP and d3 DMG sounds hot. So he could da jump himself to make it happen. Or painboy if he needs healing. Deffkopta is there to be a flying pest.

Thoughts? Warlord trait suggestions?

If your transport deepstrikes, the passengers cannot disembark in the same turn.

Unfortunately I don't see the point of lootas, except perhaps in a large mob with the bad moons "shoot twice" stratagem.

So... despite the points nerfs I still suspect the green tide we were running before might still have received a buff overall. For me the stratagems and clan kulturs are the best bits of the ork codex, with the relics and warlord traits being a bit meh.

Buffs:

klan traits (notably evil suns for jumpers and deffskulls or goffs for main battle line)
Improved ere we go
Dakka dakka dakka
Grot shields strat to protect key unit T1
Tankbusta bombs on boyz mobz
Endless green tide strat
Weirdboyz can be warpheadz and no longer auto-perils when in centre of the horde
Tellyport
Fight again strat
Ard boyz / skarboyz / loot it strats depending on opponent

So hows this for a green tide list?

Deathskulls bat.

Warboss with PK
Warboss with PK

30 boyz with PK + rokkit
30 boyz with PK + rokkit
30 boyz with PK + rokkit
Index kannon (to be blown up turn 1 by enemy and trigger the 'loot it' strat

Evil sunz bat

Weirdboy with jump
Weirdboy with extra attack power (mental blank on name)

30 boyz PK
10 boyz PK
10 gretchin
30 stormboyz with PK 282pts (grot shields should protect turn 1)

Bad moonz patrol
Index warboss on bike with thunderbuss relic
10 tankbustas (will tellyport, use more dakka and fire twice!)
30 gretchin

The main advantage of death skullz (outside of the 6++) is non troop infantry choices to have obj secured, and the rerolls. You generally want more units and less masses when playing deathskullz to maximize the possible 12 rerolls a game turn.

The massive boyz mobz would probably be better served in an evil suns battallion for the +3 distance. (so they aren't as reliant on jump to get where they need to go)

 greggles wrote:
The main advantage of death skullz (outside of the 6++) is non troop infantry choices to have obj secured, and the rerolls. You generally want more units and less masses when playing deathskullz to maximize the possible 12 rerolls a game turn.

The massive boyz mobz would probably be better served in an evil suns battallion for the +3 distance. (so they aren't as reliant on jump to get where they need to go)

12 rerolls?

pismakron wrote:

 greggles wrote:
The main advantage of death skullz (outside of the 6++) is non troop infantry choices to have obj secured, and the rerolls. You generally want more units and less masses when playing deathskullz to maximize the possible 12 rerolls a game turn.

The massive boyz mobz would probably be better served in an evil suns battallion for the +3 distance. (so they aren't as reliant on jump to get where they need to go)

12 rerolls?

Think he means: "3 rerolls total when you shoot in your turn(to hit, to wound, damage roll), 3 rerolls when you fight in your turn(ditto), 3 when you shoot during overwatch in opponents turn and 3 when you fight in opponents turn".

That at least adds up to 12 and I think that's legal though super hard to pull off. Usually you won't be rerolling that much!

 greggles wrote:
The main advantage of death skullz (outside of the 6++) is non troop infantry choices to have obj secured, and the rerolls. You generally want more units and less masses when playing deathskullz to maximize the possible 12 rerolls a game turn.

The massive boyz mobz would probably be better served in an evil suns battallion for the +3 distance. (so they aren't as reliant on jump to get where they need to go)

Yeah, the deathskulls are mainly there for the 6++ tbh. Having a full re-roll rokkit plus plenty of rerolls on the PK is a pretty powerful boost too though. I'm sure evils suns would work fine but I don't think it's flatly superior to the deathskulls trait for boyz mobz. Just depends whether you want bonus speed or bonus durability and damage output.

I think if I took evil suns I'd shell out for a KFF biker mek to keep them safe as they roll up. That could certainly work too, but the mek(s) are pretty expensive so it does have an opportunity cost.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I have a 2k list I've priced out. It's more fluffy than anything but I think it still has teeth. It also uses all the new buggies except the Squig Trukk, which I deem unviable.

Outrider, Evil Sunz

Deffkilla wartrike, warlord super cybork body (not decided trait)
12 x warbikes, big choppa Nob
KBB
Scrap jet

Brigade, Evil Sunz

KFF Big Mek (index)
Weirdboy (warphead) Da Jump, Fists of Gork
Zhadsnark
3 x 10 boys
3 x 10 grots
SJD
Snazzwagon
Deffkopta
Mek (rezmekka red armour, in bone breaka)
Painboy
5 x Nobz (PK, BC x 4, ammo runt, also in bone breaka)
Bone breaka
5 x lootas
5 x lootas

Name of the game is turn 1 and 2 target saturation. I'm hoping firepower will clear a screen allowing me a juicy charge turn 1. Definitely need the 2 CP cover strat if I go second. Bone breaka teleports in turn 2 and causes carnage. Was thinking of taking evil Sunz warlord trait for Deffkilla but it feels like a bit of a waste. Grots, Lootas and some boys hold backfield as required. Weirdboy can send units to objectives or sure up weaknesses and, I really want to cast fists of Gork on the Wartrike because 7 str 9 2+ attacks with reroll failed wounds -2 AP and d3 DMG sounds hot. So he could da jump himself to make it happen. Or painboy if he needs healing. Deffkopta is there to be a flying pest.

Thoughts? Warlord trait suggestions?

I would use full 15 warbikers, since those will be the ones clearing screens for you. The additional shots and cc attacks make sure that whatever you charge won't be hitting back on your highly expensive models.

As warlord trait I would suggest the +1 to attacks and strength, as that would push the wartrike to S8 for vehicle fighting.

Think he means: "3 rerolls total when you shoot in your turn(to hit, to wound, damage roll), 3 rerolls when you fight in your turn(ditto), 3 when you shoot during overwatch in opponents turn and 3 when you fight in opponents turn".

Yup, hard as heck to pull off, but hey, it's possible, and everyone loves the "maximum possibility stuff".

Since the traits got leaked, I've been playing them all, and death skullz has come out on top almost every time (for the main force). Evil sunz for teleporting detachments. Bad moonz was just a horrible slog of re-rolling. It sounds awesome on paper, and is, until you actually play a game with large mobs of shooting. If you don't have a dice app, you'll run out of time. (Think tau shooting phase + ork assault phase)

Just leaving this here...fw rules faq
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/imperial_armour_index_xenos-2.pdf?utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=5dd96ca6ee-FW_2nd_November_Swift_twins&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-5dd96ca6ee-115889781

They didn’t improve zhardsnark much. Added speed freak and dakka dakka dakka but limited his Waaaghh to evil sun infantry only...however since his point values remained unchanged he is an absolute steal and value...

They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

Clan is also the same as kultur

Soo, the Bonebreaka seems to be the best variant of the Battlewagon? I don't own any Battlewagons yet but I was thinking of filling two Bonebreakas with Nobz (or why not 20 Boyz) and regular Battlewagon with Tankbustas. Is this something that might work or am I wasting my money by buying the wagons? Evil Sunz detachment obviously with the Trike.

That's quite disappointing they didn't FAQ Zhadsnark to effect Warbikers, when I use him I'll probably just pair him up with an Index Warboss on Warbike.

 Weazel wrote:
Soo, the Bonebreaka seems to be the best variant of the Battlewagon? I don't own any Battlewagons yet but I was thinking of filling two Bonebreakas with Nobz (or why not 20 Boyz) and regular Battlewagon with Tankbustas. Is this something that might work or am I wasting my money by buying the wagons? Evil Sunz detachment obviously with the Trike.

Rmember that the bonebreaka is transport capacity 12

xlDuke wrote:
That's quite disappointing they didn't FAQ Zhadsnark to effect Warbikers, when I use him I'll probably just pair him up with an Index Warboss on Warbike.

I'm not disappointed about it at all - it means I can run him right alongside the Wartrike and I won't have to have any foot bosses. I get bikers, vehicles, and infantry with the pair of them.

Bonebreaka I believe only has a 12 man transport capacity.

Also, why update Imperial Armor, but not the index?

Kind of conspicuous. Makes me wonder about official support.

It is exceptionally annoying, and conspicuous, that Zhadsnark has no biker waaagh.

Does unstoppable green tide works on Stormboyz aswell?

gungo wrote:


They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

I'm not so sure, since it's been changed from heavy 6 to heavy D6, rather take a big Zzappa instead I think, depending on points though.

So I'm just jumping into the faction and wanted to learn from my Orky betters before I got too deep in model building:

1) How necessary/beneficial is Evil Sunz Kulture for Speedfreeks? I'd rather have the DeffSkullz, but I'm wondering if I'm tieing my hands too much if I do

2) When using Warbikes/buggies is there value is standing off and shooting or is melee the only viable option?

3) Does Trukk/Battlewagon transport rushes work with boyz? Is it worth the points to load 20boyz into a battlewagon to get them to melee?

4) Is it better to go brigade or double-battalion?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
So I'm just jumping into the faction and wanted to learn from my Orky betters before I got too deep in model building:

1) How necessary/beneficial is Evil Sunz Kulture for Speedfreeks? I'd rather have the DeffSkullz, but I'm wondering if I'm tieing my hands too much if I do

2) When using Warbikes/buggies is there value is standing off and shooting or is melee the only viable option?

3) Does Trukk/Battlewagon transport rushes work with boyz? Is it worth the points to load 20boyz into a battlewagon to get them to melee?

4) Is it better to go brigade or double-battalion?

1) for infantrv essential. Vehicles less sl
2) bikes want to do both. Buggies generally want to avoid melee if not blood axe to ensure you can shoot next round too
3) for boy" deep strike with evil sun better. Probledm with battlewagon is you won't be getting extra attacj from numbers
4) 2 battallions is my pick

gungo wrote:
Just leaving this here...fw rules faq
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/imperial_armour_index_xenos-2.pdf?utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=5dd96ca6ee-FW_2nd_November_Swift_twins&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-5dd96ca6ee-115889781

They didn’t improve zhardsnark much. Added speed freak and dakka dakka dakka but limited his Waaaghh to evil sun infantry only...however since his point values remained unchanged he is an absolute steal and value...

They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

Clan is also the same as kultur

Wow so disappointing he can't advance and charge. I think I'll have to run him as a regular warboss.

mrtomski wrote:

gungo wrote:
Just leaving this here...fw rules faq
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/imperial_armour_index_xenos-2.pdf?utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=5dd96ca6ee-FW_2nd_November_Swift_twins&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-5dd96ca6ee-115889781

They didn’t improve zhardsnark much. Added speed freak and dakka dakka dakka but limited his Waaaghh to evil sun infantry only...however since his point values remained unchanged he is an absolute steal and value...

They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

Clan is also the same as kultur

Wow so disappointing he can't advance and charge. I think I'll have to run him as a regular warboss.

The Trike Boss allows bikers to charge after advancing correct? I feel like ill likely be running both so its not a huge loss Z doesnt give it out to himself.

Yeah trike boss works on bikes/vehicles.
And quite frankly that thing is brutal. Unless youre green tiding it i dont see why you would not have him in your army.

Here is what I think is a really terrible list; but it might do okay if you can get the nob bikerz to survive and do some work.

vindicare0412 wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

gungo wrote:
Just leaving this here...fw rules faq
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/imperial_armour_index_xenos-2.pdf?utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=5dd96ca6ee-FW_2nd_November_Swift_twins&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-5dd96ca6ee-115889781

They didn’t improve zhardsnark much. Added speed freak and dakka dakka dakka but limited his Waaaghh to evil sun infantry only...however since his point values remained unchanged he is an absolute steal and value...

They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

Clan is also the same as kultur

Wow so disappointing he can't advance and charge. I think I'll have to run him as a regular warboss.

The Trike Boss allows bikers to charge after advancing correct? I feel like ill likely be running both so its not a huge loss Z doesnt give it out to himself.

As well as warboss on bike (w relic klaw for me)
I’ll be running all 3
Along w painboy on bike w lukky stikk.
And evilsun mekadread with killkannon/kff or Morkanaut.
4 fast hard hitting fast accurate powerklaws w at least 4+, 5++, 5+++.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah trike boss works on bikes/vehicles.
And quite frankly that thing is brutal. Unless youre green tiding it i dont see why you would not have him in your army.

Yea, you need some kind of boss, and he's not much more expensive than any of our other options now, so you might as well have him and waaaagh your vehicles.

 Wunzlez wrote:

gungo wrote:


They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

I'm not so sure, since it's been changed from heavy 6 to heavy D6, rather take a big Zzappa instead I think, depending on points though.

wait killkannon was nerfed?i haven’t seen that

gungo wrote:

vindicare0412 wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

gungo wrote:
Just leaving this here...fw rules faq
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/imperial_armour_index_xenos-2.pdf?utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=5dd96ca6ee-FW_2nd_November_Swift_twins&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-5dd96ca6ee-115889781

They didn’t improve zhardsnark much. Added speed freak and dakka dakka dakka but limited his Waaaghh to evil sun infantry only...however since his point values remained unchanged he is an absolute steal and value...

They did have the foresight to clarify you can use the weapon profiles in the codex orks meaning killkannon meka dreads are decent as well.

Clan is also the same as kultur

Wow so disappointing he can't advance and charge. I think I'll have to run him as a regular warboss.

The Trike Boss allows bikers to charge after advancing correct? I feel like ill likely be running both so its not a huge loss Z doesnt give it out to himself.

As well as warboss on bike (w relic klaw for me)
I’ll be running all 3
Along w painboy on bike w lukky stikk.
And evilsun mekadread with killkannon/kff or Morkanaut.
4 fast hard hitting fast accurate powerklaws w at least 4+, 5++, 5+++.

I don't like the trike' s melee weapon, if it was a klaw id pick one up tomorrow. H9w did you convert your warboss on bike, regular bikes a bit small?

I'm building an ork army, looking at battle reports till now, I think boyz-spam isn't that good, and I don't know how to make a 1000-1500 points army, this is what I've got.

- 60 boyz slugga/choppa - 2 boss nob with power klaw
- Weirdboy
- 3 Killa kans [magnetized]
- 10 nobz slugga/choppa
- 10 gretchlin
- 1 runtherd
- 2 deffkopta
- 1 painboy

I could go battlewagon+10 tankbustas, but I'm not sure about this, any tip?

Does the Bonebreaka include the killkannon or what's the reason it is only 12 cap?