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The point changes will give me some more breathing room in my infantry list since it's heavy with both PKs and BCs, as well as my mech list which uses a morkanaut. Won't really make me change my unit makeup though.

We shouldn’t forget that these are only point reductions, but stats, weapon profiles and unit rules might also change in the codex (or even in this book as leaks only showed points tables).

Relics might also change the game a bit (eg. who knows what the the lucky stikk will do now, maybe an army wide ‘get your command points back’ type mechanic like IG has, that would be cool). But any other command point related benefit could work for an army heavily relying on finding some luck in high amount of dice rolled. We’ll see, I am still full of hope.

Da Finkin' Cap would be a good candidate for getting back command points.

It wasn't very good, but my favorite Relic from 7th was Da Shiniest Shoota. It was really entertaining and it was cheap.


I need to get my Warcopta out of storage and get it assembled. Are the guns that come with it supposed to be Deffguns or Rattler Kannons? I also picked up a busted Ravager that was missing some bits a while back and I think it could be a good candidate for another Warcopta.

grnsknz wrote:
We shouldn’t forget that these are only point reductions, but stats, weapon profiles and unit rules might also change in the codex (or even in this book as leaks only showed points tables).

There videos of people flipping through the entire book. No further rule changes to non-codex armies except for objective secured.

Also, since Tau and Necrons are missing because of new codices soon, Orks are not due before March 2018.

I think the best use of the "merge blobs" stratagem is for transport lists. It can help keep the nob alive, and maybe even get to that green tide bonus. Especially if a large mob is jumped in with the transports.

Question: Can snikrot use the relic?

Usually, named characters can not use relics.

 Jidmah wrote:
Usually, named characters can not use relics.

Hmm okay, otherwise he would have been a perfect candidate with 6 attacks.

I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

Can't believe the killtank went up by 150pts without wargear

 Nazrak wrote:
I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

One group has to be above 10 the other below it. They also have to share a data sheet apparently so the most you are going to get is a mob of 40 boyz, this tactic is crap as well. Orkz got shafted again.

Well, you could jump 20 nobz + 20 gretchin into your opponent's face and have them shoot 20 rokkits with re-rolls for just 700 points (weirdboy not included)

skorchas or wartrakks with rokkits? They're cheaper enough for me to consider them now.

Mob up stratemeg had a potential to be really good. But it's just fluffy and very situational now with all thoselimits. Just a way to avoid easy cp from frontline squads or an extra chance to get +1 attack for an extra turn for smaller squads. Will be certainly more viable for mech lists. If mech lists would be viable at all - only codex can tell.

I wonder if you can Mob Up two units if one or two of those are already in combat and if yes are there potential problems that can arise from it?

Azhday wrote:
I wonder if you can Mob Up two units if one or two of those are already in combat and if yes are there potential problems that can arise from it?

You're getting the problem of loosing the striking initiative and all the potential bonuses that come from charging like +1 attack from Ghaz.

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, you could jump 20 nobz + 20 gretchin into your opponent's face and have them shoot 20 rokkits with re-rolls for just 700 points (weirdboy not included)

I honestly don't know if you are being serious with this or not but it would still be illegal from what i have seen. the leak i saw said the units had to share a datasheet so Nobz with Nobz and grots with grots, no mixing and matching.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, you could jump 20 nobz + 20 gretchin into your opponent's face and have them shoot 20 rokkits with re-rolls for just 700 points (weirdboy not included)

I honestly don't know if you are being serious with this or not but it would still be illegal from what i have seen. the leak i saw said the units had to share a datasheet so Nobz with Nobz and grots with grots, no mixing and matching.

You can mob up nobz + runts with another unit of nobz + runts. But the smaller unit needs to be nine models or less. Any unit that can take ammo runts is a prime candidate for the stratagem.

Your kommando list might also benefit ever so slightly from it. Using it at the right time could conserve a nob and two burnas, by merging them into an adjacent mob. Not bad. Not good either, but it is what it is.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

One group has to be above 10 the other below it. They also have to share a data sheet apparently so the most you are going to get is a mob of 40 boyz, this tactic is crap as well. Orkz got shafted again.

Ah, I overlooked that. Still, 40 boyz is nowt to be sneezed at. But please don’t let that get in the way of your unrelenting negativity.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, you could jump 20 nobz + 20 gretchin into your opponent's face and have them shoot 20 rokkits with re-rolls for just 700 points (weirdboy not included)

I honestly don't know if you are being serious with this or not but it would still be illegal from what i have seen. the leak i saw said the units had to share a datasheet so Nobz with Nobz and grots with grots, no mixing and matching.

Gretchin being ammo runts, of course. The second unit needs to be 10 or less, so you could only go up to 10+5 for a total of 45 jumped wounds.

I'm not really serious about it since nobz are still too easy to kill and too expensive to put them right into your opponent's face. Still hilarious when not playing competitive games. When they are the only unit in range, nothing prevents your opponent from just using basic weapons like bolters to clear out the gretchin and then start shooting the nobz with plasma, autocannons or worse.

 koooaei wrote:

Azhday wrote:
I wonder if you can Mob Up two units if one or two of those are already in combat and if yes are there potential problems that can arise from it?

You're getting the problem of loosing the striking initiative and all the potential bonuses that come from charging like +1 attack from Ghaz.

On the flip side sometimes you don't want to charge as it can leave your locked in squad vunerable and can fail. I think there are tricks to be pulled with this strategem where you put a unit within 3" of a new enemy unit, combine with an engaged squad and then like in to the new unit to attack.

Also of note would be having multiple nobs in your unit of 40 Boyz. Or combining kommando units into a larger blob with multiple but as and Nobz

 Nazrak wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

One group has to be above 10 the other below it. They also have to share a data sheet apparently so the most you are going to get is a mob of 40 boyz, this tactic is crap as well. Orkz got shafted again.

Ah, I overlooked that. Still, 40 boyz is nowt to be sneezed at. But please don’t let that get in the way of your unrelenting negativity.

realism isn't negativity nazrak lol I have been right pretty much across the board with my predictions so far since 7th dropped. And I predict this CA will help but not nearly enough to make most units even playable. Morkanauts got cheaper, their weapons got cheaper and i am still not going to take mine off the shelf, i just don't see it being competitive, same for my Killakanz and dreadz.

Additionally, I don't know if it's been asked but, is there any restriction to using it again next turn? Say the unit of 40 boys isn't the target of any attacks. Can they combine with another 10 man squad to bring them to 50?

mhalko1 wrote:
Additionally, I don't know if it's been asked but, is there any restriction to using it again next turn? Say the unit of 40 boys isn't the target of any attacks. Can they combine with another 10 man squad to bring them to 50?

from what I saw there was no other restrictions beyond the ones that made it a useless tactic in the first place.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

One group has to be above 10 the other below it. They also have to share a data sheet apparently so the most you are going to get is a mob of 40 boyz, this tactic is crap as well. Orkz got shafted again.

No, this is false.
Mob up is "10 or more" and "10 or less".

 Nogil wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I like the sound of the Mob Up strategy. Mobs of, say, 50 boyz or grotz are going to be a right nuisance to deal with, and will be able to take more damage before losing their bonuses.

One group has to be above 10 the other below it. They also have to share a data sheet apparently so the most you are going to get is a mob of 40 boyz, this tactic is crap as well. Orkz got shafted again.

No, this is false.
Mob up is "10 or more" and "10 or less".

Spoiler:

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/11/25/chapter-approved-review/

Which changes almost nothing and still makes it a terrible use of a CP in most circumstances

Wow, the killchoppa really looks useless. It's just a big choppa with better AP but D3 damage instead of flat 2 or D3 mortal wounds on 6s. Considering that the standard big choppa is 7 points I'll bet pks will always be better than the killchoppa.

Just a thought on the DakkaDakka Strat.

Do you think it would be worthwhile to combine 6 Kannons (or any big/mek gunz into one unit), instead of running them separate, to use this strat?

A few extra hits on shoota boyz may not be worthwhile, but an extra kannon shot wouldn't be too bad for 1 CP.


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Then again I guess you could just use a command re-roll on one of the missed shots.


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Then again again, if you have 6 KMK together and you roll well for shots you could be talking about a few extra shots for 1 CP.


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For the KMK

If you took 6, at an average of 3.5 shots each, for a total of 21 shots you would end up with 2.6 extra hits on average for 1 CP.

SemperMortis wrote:

Which changes almost nothing and still makes it a terrible use of a CP in most circumstances

It might not change much, but however every little piece of cookie crumble we can get our hands on is atleast something, considering the bad spot we're in.

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
Just a thought on the DakkaDakka Strat.

Do you think it would be worthwhile to combine 6 Kannons (or any big/mek gunz into one unit), instead of running them separate, to use this strat?

A few extra hits on shoota boyz may not be worthwhile, but an extra kannon shot wouldn't be too bad for 1 CP.


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Then again I guess you could just use a command re-roll on one of the missed shots.


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Then again again, if you have 6 KMK together and you roll well for shots you could be talking about a few extra shots for 1 CP.



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For the KMK

If you took 6, at an average of 3.5 shots each, for a total of 21 shots you would end up with 2.6 extra hits on average for 1 CP.

I don't think that would work as the kannons are all considered seperate units. You still can't combine them because there is not more than 10 models to start with.

Shrapnelbait wrote:

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
Just a thought on the DakkaDakka Strat.

Do you think it would be worthwhile to combine 6 Kannons (or any big/mek gunz into one unit), instead of running them separate, to use this strat?

A few extra hits on shoota boyz may not be worthwhile, but an extra kannon shot wouldn't be too bad for 1 CP.


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Then again I guess you could just use a command re-roll on one of the missed shots.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Then again again, if you have 6 KMK together and you roll well for shots you could be talking about a few extra shots for 1 CP.



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For the KMK

If you took 6, at an average of 3.5 shots each, for a total of 21 shots you would end up with 2.6 extra hits on average for 1 CP.

I don't think that would work as the kannons are all considered seperate units. You still can't combine them because there is not more than 10 models to start with.

Well the dakka stratagem doesn't work with artillery anyway so the idea is pretty much DOA. Infantry and bikes only.