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Games store. It's not particularly local, any more.

I haven't got any friends in Canada, my ex-wife got them all in the divorce.

Bummer dude. Sounds like at least you're getting some games in.

At my store we typically put up LFG posts on our FB group for scheduling games every Thursday on game night or on the weekends. Problem is, after some heavy optimization over the past few months, most games I show up to now against randos end up incredibly one-sided, even if I say things in my post like "bring maximum competitive cheese." I've resorted to comparing our lists beforehand to get a better sense of how competitive their collections are and then making list edits to ensure a more interesting experience for both of us. Stomping too many collections of 'the models I have' gets old real fast...

 slave.entity wrote:
Bummer dude. Sounds like at least you're getting some games in.

At my store we typically put up LFG posts on our FB group for scheduling games every Thursday on game night or on the weekends. Problem is, after some heavy optimization over the past few months, most games I show up to now against randos end up incredibly one-sided, even if I say things in my post like "bring maximum competitive cheese." I've resorted to comparing our lists beforehand to get a better sense of how competitive their collections are and then making list edits to ensure a more interesting experience for both of us. Stomping too many collections of 'the models I have' gets old real fast...

Honestly... I’d transition to running fluffy lists for pick up games. Save the cheese for a tournament if you really wanna play that way. Then you can have beatmof both worlds and make friends! We have a dude in our group who says he’s a narrative player but always brings Super cheesy unfluffy lists. Then just complains about averages when stuff happens. We’ve kind of ghosted him because he’s so annoying, we just wanna have fun during pick up games.

Not saying you’re like that. Just saying that’s how I view pick up games unless it’s practice or something.

I have to spend a small fortune on Ontario and New York Bar exams over the next year or so, so I moved out of the city and to the sticks near the border, which means a four hour trip to the nearest LGS in the same country, which means I haven't played a physical game for a while.

There were a few guys there who were clueless/oblivious/didn't care and a few who were super-competitive. Most of everyone else fell somewhere in the middle.

FWIW, none of what I've said here is designed to give the impression that I'm the tabletop Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky ('cause I'm clearly not) nor that the relative power of a unit is irrelevant. It simply irks me massively when an 'analysis' consists of a comparison of what the unit can kill and what it can withstand in the context of a game played with little to no LOS-blocking terrain, or little terrain at all, as if that was the only way anybody ever plays and not an extreme niche that represents a few very loud people.

Set up a board properly with the one or two pieces of terrain per 2'x2' square that the rulebook recommends and you'll rarely have a hard time getting cover for your Daemonettes.

Yeah there are clearly a few very different styles to approaching the hobby and it's not always easy to distinguish who likes what. But for pick up games, as I'm starting to realize recently, having a fluffy list ready for the average 40k player at my store is probably a good idea. But on the flip side, every once in a while I'll get matched up with another hyper competitive player and it feels really bad to auto-lose in a scenario that could have been easily preventable.

I mean, I could just start bringing BOTH armies to the store and see what they show up with when I get there. As daemons players though, you guys probably know what a pain in the ass that would be. The best solution I got right now is to ask a few questions before we meet and discuss level of competitiveness and hopefully we arrive at a similar ballpark. Barring that, I'll just send them my lists. For real competitive players, it doesn't matter if they know what I'm bringing anyway since their list would theoretically be optimized to handle anything in the meta.

I have a bag from Battlefoam that holds 21" of foam so my entire collection goes with me to the FLGS every time anyway.

Perhaps this is considered list-tailoring, but what I tend to do is I have three or four different lists written out beforehand and then I decide which one I'm going to put on the table after I have an idea what I'll be facing.

I do this so that I can ramp up or down the power-level depending on what the other person brings, so if we talk and they say they've brought a fluffy list for a lark, I'll run my list with Zarakynel in it, for example, and my battle-plan will be largely "run at it, shouting".

That works too. I wish I could easily fit everything into one container but unfortunately for me my collection is approaching 700 models with a lot of them being those ridiculously spindly Tzeentchy boys whose fingers don't do so well going in and out of battlefoam all the time. Magnetizing them for transport in baking trays is how I usually bring ~130ish model lists to the store, with the LoC/Sicaran/Decimators/Gnarlmaw/Plague Drones/other huge awkward spindly thing sitting bubbled wrapped in a piece of tupperware.

Daemonettes are all claws and spikey hair, I haven't tried the magnet trick but I find that if you get trays big enough for them to stand in and exercise a reasonable degree of carefulness it works out alright.

But there's a reason my bag has a pocket for glue, you know?

From what I could make out on the YouTube reviews, Fiends are now +1 attack with a free champion, Flesh Hounds have a champion option that costs 7 points and just shoots one bolter shot at 8" that hits automatically (lol), and Bloodcrushers get +1 wound each.

 Virules wrote:
From what I could make out on the YouTube reviews, Fiends are now +1 attack with a free champion, Flesh Hounds have a champion option that costs 7 points and just shoots one bolter shot at 8" that hits automatically (lol), and Bloodcrushers get +1 wound each.

Horrors also have a new data sheet apparently(?) Any info?

Are fiends worth it yet? Have a whole collection of convertible models ready to go, for my specific brand of fiend.

Also is the new model on 40mm base?

Anyone managed to see what's new with bloodcrushers?
They got a new slate, stand to reason SOMETHING changed. (still probably trash though)


70 point exalted flamers though, heck yea.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Anyone managed to see what's new with bloodcrushers?
They got a new slate, stand to reason SOMETHING changed. (still probably trash though)


70 point exalted flamers though, heck yea.

I overlooked that... heck yeah indeed! Also Skullcannons went to 90 points 0.o I've been tempted to run some, at 90 points... may be well worth it!

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Are fiends worth it yet? Have a whole collection of convertible models ready to go, for my specific brand of fiend.

Also is the new model on 40mm base?

Maybe as 1 of deep strikers to try and have them tie up a shooting squads ?


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 Virules wrote:
From what I could make out on the YouTube reviews, Fiends are now +1 attack with a free champion, Flesh Hounds have a champion option that costs 7 points and just shoots one bolter shot at 8" that hits automatically (lol), and Bloodcrushers get +1 wound each.

https://imgur.com/a/aRfopFv

Horrors appear unchanged (lol) and Fiends have +1 wound and have a squad leader they can take that has +1 attack

But what about crushers?!

 BoomWolf wrote:
But what about crushers?!

They also have +1 wound, looks like fiends and Bloodcrusher where given a wound to make them more comparable to plague drones.

Just an extra wound?
Still trash then.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just an extra wound?
Still trash then.

Agreed... they aren't survivable even with +1 wound

 Virules wrote:
From what I could make out on the YouTube reviews, Fiends are now +1 attack with a free champion, Flesh Hounds have a champion option that costs 7 points and just shoots one bolter shot at 8" that hits automatically (lol), and Bloodcrushers get +1 wound each.

but that dont come from CA but by a new expansion vigilus defiant to see how anything works there, it works for "specialist" detachments

So will the Lord of Change be useful now that he costs 275 with sword instead of 330?.

And im very happy about the point drop on exalted flamers, thats 60 extra points to use on something else.

 ThePie wrote:
So will the Lord of Change be useful now that he costs 275 with sword instead of 330?.

And im very happy about the point drop on exalted flamers, thats 60 extra points to use on something else.

for me the only GD will see some competitive play will be Guo, imho.

orkswubwub wrote:


Horrors also have a new data sheet apparently(?) Any info?

It looks like it's just a reprint that updates the old datasheets from the Thousand Sons/CSM Codexes to match the new one from the Daemons codex. Seems like a lot of the "new" datasheets and points values are reprints of units that were updated in a newer book or FAQ this year.

Honestly I'm considering Fiends now.

The Horror reprint is for Codex CSM, which has an outdated profile.

If you look, you'll notice the frame around the dataslate uses the CSM format.

I wonder what the Infernal harpist does now, I wonder if she is a generic HQ or a new special character.

I can't imagine something that unique looking would be a generic character, so a new special character I expect.

 Virules wrote:
Honestly I'm considering Fiends now.

Rumours of their uselessness have been greatly exaggerated.

Soul grinders and skull cannons are down in points. As an owner of both, im happy to see this!

 Rydria wrote:
I wonder what the Infernal harpist does now, I wonder if she is a generic HQ or a new special character.

I would assume "generic HQ" in the mold of the various Nurgle heralds.

Sokhar wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
I wonder what the Infernal harpist does now, I wonder if she is a generic HQ or a new special character.

I would assume "generic HQ" in the mold of the various Nurgle heralds.

Well it turns out she is a generic herald type: "...the Infernal Enrapturess – a new kind of Slaaneshi herald who bolsters summoning and shreds enemy units with sonic waves."

Since summoning is trash she have to do a lot to make it good. I do like that she have a "sonic" weapon though.


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 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Virules wrote:
Honestly I'm considering Fiends now.

Rumours of their uselessness have been greatly exaggerated.

They've never been useless but they're are still over-costed. But it hardly matter now with so many other points drops to make taking them in a list easier.