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Strange question but had anyone seen any batreps with the new lord discordants? I'm curious to see how they play.

I know that Tabletop Tactics has had 1 or two games played with a "count-as" lord discordant. Beard was using it.

On the subject of Fiends of Slaanesh, is there any way of getting hold of their updated rules which doesn't involve buying Wrath & Rapture or the booklet contained within?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the subject of Fiends of Slaanesh, is there any way of getting hold of their updated rules which doesn't involve buying Wrath & Rapture or the booklet contained within?

Battlescribe. If you’re sesperate though feel free to PM me and I can share a link to it. (Not BS if you don’t want that)

tneva82 wrote:
If it's slaanesh terrain piece like others have been getting it would be first with m value. And it's giant statue on which 2 figures are standing so only "it's magic" explains moving ability

I doubt its a terrain piece since the riders are described as Heralds; it probably has a basic Herald stat line but fights like two Heralds similar to how the chariots account for all the individual model's attacks. It's probably no less mobile that the Infernal Enrapturess and it moves 7".

 blackmage wrote:
until you know model's point and complete wargear profiles there is not reallylot to say, a model isn't good or bad just with a profile/rules, is for example that kind of herald/prince cost, ie 300+pts, it's useless. That just to make example, Kos.... great model good rules, but no way a model like that can get into melee quick enough before being crippled (14" but lack of fly is a huge handicap, you just need 10 Imperial guard and she waste a charge) or you must rely on a 9" inch charge after Ds

With Epitome or some Fiends you can use those 10 guardsmen to your advantage to keep the KoS in combat and avoid being shot at. The real trick is to not kill them, so rather than using the KoS's weapons, you use the default close combat weapon that everyone comes with ( s: user, ap: - )

When it's the opponents fight phase that's when you kill them.

fact is that piece will never get into combat if opponent wont, unless you play against an army list without any firepower. I played Italian final 40k league, i ve seen a great slaanesh army and talked with the guy using it, in his list KOS is more a fire magnet to preserve his delicate units (exalted chariots, seekers and so on) in 90% of games she never gets into combat. Now at 165pts is reasonable use it that way, in future who know, i still think 8th edition isn't made for big guys, we have clear examples with Magnus and Mortarion, quite more durable than any KOS but still almost unplayed (at least outside of garagehammet).

The Aegis thingie might give a better invuln save. 4++ would be better than 5++ (obviously).

I’m considering starting a mono god csm/daemons army for itc. Trying to decide between tzeentch and Nurgle. Sway me one way or the other!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The Aegis thingie might give a better invuln save. 4++ would be better than 5++ (obviously).

im pretty sure it might give an improved save in melee only

 blackmage wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The Aegis thingie might give a better invuln save. 4++ would be better than 5++ (obviously).

im pretty sure it might give an improved save in melee only

That could very well be the case as well. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, I guess.

does someone know where e and when new slaanesh datasheet will be released?

 blackmage wrote:
does someone know where e and when new slaanesh datasheet will be released?

They’ll ship in the new kits, most of which are on preorder this weekend

Is there any restriction on where returned units from daemonic icons must be placed? Or is it just unit coherency

gruyere wrote:
Is there any restriction on where returned units from daemonic icons must be placed? Or is it just unit coherency

Within coherency of a model that already existed at the start of the phase and 1" away from any enemy, it is in the FAQ

Khalan wrote:

gruyere wrote:
Is there any restriction on where returned units from daemonic icons must be placed? Or is it just unit coherency

Within coherency of a model that already existed at the start of the phase and 1" away from any enemy, it is in the FAQ

Thanks, couldn’t find it lol

hmmmm for AoS the shield gives the keeper of secrets a 6+++ is that even worth taking if its the same for 40k?

 warmaster21 wrote:
hmmmm for AoS the shield gives the keeper of secrets a 6+++ is that even worth taking if its the same for 40k?

in 40k useless

Rules and points. No points on the Contorted Epitome but at PL10 it should cost less than Syll’Esske which is 210 pts.

KoS is functionally nerfed from current version. ;_;

It's garbage tier. That is a profound tragedy.

The other two look actually pretty good (the pair) and...actually really good (the mirror)

so for new KoS we're sitting at +1 BS, Strength doesnt degrade, +4 wounds, +2 speed in first 2 damage boxes and +1 speed in final box. Flat 4/3/2 attacks with claws instead of d3 and 1 better AP.

Hitting at S8 instead of 7 with sword.
Option for either ranged attacks, 0-3 melee mortal wounds or d3 healing in melee, or 6+++/5+++ vs mortal wounds

for +75/+85 more points....

It went up a few points, but I don’t think it’s trash tier. The rest of the Slaanesh army is still cheap, I think it’s still worth running Keepers. At 165 they were ludicrously good.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It went up a few points, but I don’t think it’s trash tier. The rest of the Slaanesh army is still cheap, I think it’s still worth running Keepers. At 165 they were ludicrously good.

No the Keepers not trash tier. But Syll'Esske and the Contorted Epitome seem like much more viable options. The Contorted Epitome is as fast as a winged Daemon Prince, has character protection, and can prevent any unit including flyers from falling back within 6". Is a Psyker capable of casting to powers and does 2X S6/AP-2/Damage 3 attacks and 8X S6/AP-1/Damage 2/Wound rolls of 6+ count as AP-4 attacks hitting on 2's. Nevermind, its +1S aura, and 2+ save vs mortal wounds. The things a beast. I need to pre-order a second one, or maybe I'll proxy the Mirror from the endless spell box.

drakerocket wrote:
KoS is functionally nerfed from current version. ;_;

It's garbage tier. That is a profound tragedy.

The other two look actually pretty good (the pair) and...actually really good (the mirror)

Agree the new things look amazing.

Hmm. 75pts for:
- +4W (nice)
- +2/2/1M (nice)
- non-degrading S8 (nice)
- more claw attacks with better AP (okay)
- reroll 1’s to wound against characters (not bad)
- a new toy
- - 6” S6 six-shooter that can pretty much never be locked down (eh, not terrible)
- - extra MW’s (the whip’s probably more use?)
- - extra healing in melee (not bad)
- - pay an additional 10pts for 6+++, which is effectively, +2.67W (are they ever going to fix Daemons’ Delightful Agonies?)

That lot’s probably not worth 75pts, but if so then an FAQ will probably adjust.

Now. The Epitome. Very nice, definitely high up on my list. Cavalry + Swallow Energy +8W puts them in a uniquely safe position in sniper-rich environments. No locked Warlord Trait? Celerity sounds good, for getting that strong DTW upfield and trolling some faller backers, buuut I suspect they’ll get FAQ’d to always have Murderdance or Caress?

Syll’Eske, what can I say, that’s just preposterous damage output and a third aura buff on top of the excellent standard pair. Shame my Word Bearers Daemonkin will see zero benefit, but Daemonettes with an Icon will now have a 1/3 chance of taking negative casualties to Morale.

Shalaxi’s damage output could be preposterous. Worth it for that price?

The Contorted Epitome seems really good, 10 str 6 attacks at 2+ to hit, while also being a level 2 psyker with +1 to psychic tests and deny the witch. While also having a 12inch move.

Power level 10 means it costs more than a Daemon prince with wings (PL9) or horticus also (PL9) so they are 180+pts

Those are all nice buffs but not what the KoS needed. The shield needed to give +1 invulnerability, plain and simple. The with warp surge it could actually live. Or mesmerizing aura needed to work on shooting. The issue with the KoS is not killing or speed, it is how does it live if your opponent goes first?

At 165 it could kind of overcome that by being semi disposable. But even then they were never used competitively. Tacking on 75-85 points with the only survivability boost being 4 wounds just doesn't work.

On the bright side zarakynel is slightly under the cost of 3 KoS's now instead of being more expensive than 4.

Seems little reason to take the generic KoS compared to Shalaxi who is superior in every regard for 30pts more.

Both the new DP and mirror thing have promise but we'll have to see the final costs as 200pts (based on 10PL) is too much.

Mirror is definitely the best of the lot. A smidge more points than a DP has comparable speed and durability, slightly better melee, a bonus psychic power, +1 to dtw and psychic tests, the ability to ignore mortal wounds, the aura to make things stay in melee.

DPs are the gold standard for efficacy across much of chaos so a favorable comparison rocks.

The pair are good, but it's unfortunate that they have bewitching aura as their trait. They really needed celerity of slaanesh to be great and would have even been better off with the murder dance.

I've got some questions about the daemon/thousand sons lists that you see so often in top tournament lists. You probably know the ones. Plaguebearers, Pipers, Scriveners in one detachment and Ahriman and daemon princes in the second. I like these lists, and I've started building towards it as my first army. But I've reached the point where I have to start considering what to build past those typical parts.

My questions are: what is the role of these two detachments, why are they so common (what do they do exceptionally well?) and what is the goal of the third detachment? Because I feel like you see just about anything in there. Bloodletters? Pinks? Chariots? Plagueburst Crawlers? Terminators? If there's a Chaos unit that exists I swear I've seen them in there.

So what's the deal here? Is it like a flex slot? Do you adapt whats in that slot according to your meta?

I apologize if this question has been answered before but I'm having some trouble finding specific list advice or discussion about these lists, despite their apparent popularity, so I figured this was as decent a place as any to start. I also apologize if people are offended by my netdecking (netlisting?) but I'm pretty new to all this and wanted somewhere to start. I'm coming to this hobby from MTG where competitive decks are more-or-less solved. I'm open to experimentation and personalization but before I can do that I feel like I need to understand the list better.