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Hearing a lot of 2W marine and weapon changes but have not seen anything myself.

Wondering if anyone heard of any news for us Daemon players?

2w marines will get out soon

I just got started in being interested in playing daemons and have a very basic question- Are all of the daemons listed in the current 40K codex? If not, where else can I find the info about them? I'm wondering about models like the Infernal enrapturess that came out, I think, after the codex.

Thanks for any info.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I just got started in being interested in playing daemons and have a very basic question- Are all of the daemons listed in the current 40K codex? If not, where else can I find the info about them? I'm wondering about models like the Infernal enrapturess that came out, I think, after the codex.

Thanks for any info.

The demons that got released after the codex were all included in Psychic Awakening : Engine War.


Enrapturess, Epitome, Syll'Esske, keeper of secrets, that one khorne one.

Hello, is a mono-god list viable? Or does one has to do a soup of Gods?

Slaanesh is the only mono god that is decent.

With blast weapons now in play is there any reason to take demon troop units in numbers larger than 10? I know that they get a special bonus when you have 20+ of them in a unit but does that bonus make it worth facing maximum shots from blast weapons?

Depends on what faction you play against, some have a lot of blast weapons, some have some, and some have almost none.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
With blast weapons now in play is there any reason to take demon troop units in numbers larger than 10? I know that they get a special bonus when you have 20+ of them in a unit but does that bonus make it worth facing maximum shots from blast weapons?

I feel that its only more specific units that are scary against hordes. A normal blast weapon like a grenade doing 6 shots is not scary to a horde. Its when you have like 24 max shots because its a horde, that is when it would get painful. So, yeah it depends on what the opponent brings to the list. Even then, I don't think 1 thunderfire cannon is going to be a counter if you have like 3 massive 30 strong horde units. And these days, I don't know how many lists bring three thunderfires anymore.

There are also aggressors. The blast version of those things are ridiculous.

So yeah, basically, if you are playing against space marines, you have to be a bit more careful, but if you are playing against anything else, I am pretty sure you will be fine.

Knowing that marines will be 2W and things like a heavy bolter will be 2D. A lot of D2 weapons will probably see more play than anti horde weapons.

If you take units of 30 you should also DS some of them.

As stated above, aggressors near single handily invalidate blobs. Plaguebearer blobs can still be okay as they have natural -1 to hit and T4 and DR.

All other daemon infantry is T3 though so unless you plan to DS MSU will always be a better bet.

 buddha wrote:
As stated above, aggressors near single handily invalidate blobs. Plaguebearer blobs can still be okay as they have natural -1 to hit and T4 and DR.

All other daemon infantry is T3 though so unless you plan to DS MSU will always be a better bet.

One of the reasons id like to see more diversity in the daemon infantry. for example bloodletters used to be T4 with 3+ armor... hell khorne in general used to have 3+ armor..

good old times.....

yet I have a Khorne and a Tzeentch army and still no clue how to bring it in the table

 kodos wrote:
good old times.....

yet I have a Khorne and a Tzeentch army and still no clue how to bring it in the table

Yeah i have a slaanesh daemon army and i dont even know where to start. with HQ's so limited now with supreme command changes im at a loss on what to even field.

I wonder if named greater daemons will be designated at the same level as daemon primarchs. That would at least give daemon players an extra HQ slot to play with.

Pink Horrors are not that bad.
They can go up to a 3++ with T4 and 6+++ if you add a strategem, 1-2 psychic powers, 1-2 buff characters and a bit of luck for Boon of Change.
If you invest a few Reinforcement points you can keep them above half starting strength and block an objective with 30 dudes forever + you get to keep the 20+ bonus longer.
Killing them will just add more horrors and block the opponent off. On top you might get lucky with the standard to get horrors back and can still use the moral strategem once if you get lots of casualties in one turn and want to play it safe.
Also you get 90 shots with S4 / 5 that can get an +1 to wound with flickering flames.

I run a Tzeentch Patrol detachment with Changecaster, Changeling (most of the time), 30 Pinks and 50-100 reinforcement points, so about 450 points. (350 without changeling)
First turn they run for an objective and stay there till the end of the game while my TS do their thing, but this can work with CD only lists as well.
They never disappointed me in my 9th edition games so far, with the new missions they work fantastic.

Pink Horrors can't get a 3++. They have a 4++ (unlike other Tzeentch Daemons who have a 5++ plus 1 to roll), and the warp surge strat can't improve an invuln beyond a 4++.

 Grotrebel wrote:

They never disappointed me in my 9th edition games so far, with the new missions they work fantastic.

They never disappointed you because you cheated, by giving them a 3++, which isnt possible, as JakeSiren already said.

thing is, each god as some good units but for now you can't make a good list without mixing them as you like

and with the changes coming to Marines, there is another reason for waiting until the daemons codex hits
if we ever get one, as for now I see a CSM Codex with Supplements for each Legion coming and that gives several options what happens to daemons

a Codex with everything inside, a Codex and God specific Supplements, no Codex for their own but God Supplements for CSM including them etc.

A Codex were you can mix all units as you like but no CSM is likley as GW likes alternate those things (one Edition mix Mortals with Daemons but not Gods, next one mix Gods but not Mortals with Daemons)

So for now I don't want to buy into anything new just to be able to play 2-3 games until everyting changes again

 p5freak wrote:

 Grotrebel wrote:

They never disappointed me in my 9th edition games so far, with the new missions they work fantastic.

They never disappointed you because you cheated, by giving them a 3++, which isnt possible, as JakeSiren already said.

No need to jump to conclusions, cheating requires intent too and its an easy kind of mistake to make considering basically every tzeentch other demon in the codex gets to a functionnal 3++ with warp surge.

Answering to an earlier question :

I feel like Mono Tzeentch isnt that bad, obviously not tier 1 but getting a few exalted lord of change, a few units of flamers and screamers can do decent by using their speed. I wouldnt bring it (or demons as a whole) to a big tournament but for local tournaments and friendly games they can hold their own.



Pinks aren't the worst unit to play either and brims are still cheap enough to allow you to fill a battalion for more HQ slots.

Now my main complaints about tzeentch : Give more spells, revert the nonstop herald pts hike, give the changeling more wounds + fly(with a fitting movement speed).

And give us an actual gun platform, tzeetch would be the perfect god to have long range shooting IMO, giving skull cannons to khorne always felt strange to me.




Now a question :
What is your favorite equipment to give your KoS? I only tried the shield so far but i feel like i'm basically paying 10pts for 3 more wounds.

you have to consider that now the most played army is primaris marines/veichles.... pink horrors goes nowhere, they maybe can threathen some small units but point investement is not convenient.

 blackmage wrote:
you have to consider that now the most played army is primaris marines/veichles.... pink horrors goes nowhere, they maybe can threathen some small units but point investement is not convenient.

oh im fully aware of that, they wont kill much, but thats still 30+ models to kill to take them off an objective. From my experience, marines kill my admech tanks faster than they can kill hordes (most people i play with use the 4 -2 2 bolter so they don't have the rate of fire to get through a big horde). Again, i'm not saying that mono-tzeentch is top tier, just that it can do something and if you don't want to run pinks, just downgrade them to brims instead to fill your minimum requirements (or if you dont mind souping gods, just get nurglings instead).

The other units are still decent at the very least (LoC, flamers and screamers).

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Pinks aren't the worst unit to play either and brims are still cheap enough to allow you to fill a battalion for more HQ slots.

What ? Brims are cheap enough ? Did you miss the increase to 5 pts. ? A chaos cultist is 6 and a guardsman is 5. Cultists are five times better, guardsmen are ten times better. I would rather run 30 pinks than 30 brims. Pinks are well worth the additional 3 pts.

I don't agree at all that pinks have nothing to shoot at against primaris. They have 18" range, and with herald support (+1S and flickering flames) they kill a 5-man squad of primaris when they shoot, or drop 7.5 wounds on a T7 3+ target. Stack that with 4++ and splitting, and they remain a competitive troops choice for 8pts, only 2pts more than cultists...


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Plus if you're running CP heavy, then 1cp for a 'guaranteed' smite can be great: considering their huge board coverage they often get to pick who to drop it on.

 p5freak wrote:

What ? Brims are cheap enough ? Did you miss the increase to 5 pts.?

yet, if Tzeentch want the cheapest unit to fill slots, they are your best option
and 10 Pinks as a filler won't do much anyway so you can save points here and bring more Units

 kodos wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

What ? Brims are cheap enough ? Did you miss the increase to 5 pts.?

yet, if Tzeentch want the cheapest unit to fill slots, they are your best option
and 10 Pinks as a filler won't do much anyway so you can save points here and bring more Units

10 pinks are much better at holding the objective marker in your deployment zone than brims. They have 4++, instead of 6++. They can shoot. When one dies it can split, brims cant split.

split cost points

if you want to fill slots, 150 points for 3 units of Brims vs 240 points for Pinks, more if you want to split

if you think Pinks are worth 90 points more as filler, use them
at the moment I think 5 units Brims are better than 3 units Pinks if I need a filler

10 pinks are worth the additional 30 pts over brims. 10 brims are super easy to remove.

10 pinks are worth the 30 additional points. 10 brims are super easy to remove.

Yes, 10 pinks are worth the 30 additional points. 10 brims are super easy to remove.