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So, Should you always take Corruption (relic) on a Nurgle prince, or is a Hellforged Sword good enough with its damage 4 on 6s?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
So, Should you always take Corruption (relic) on a Nurgle prince, or is a Hellforged Sword good enough with its damage 4 on 6s?

So for your so you have the option of running virulence bles which is a good take if you need to hunt tanks.

Of the base weapons I think against most targets the claws pretty much always win. That said curroption is slightly better against tanks. As such is honestly only ever run the claws and take a different relic for something else.

mmimzie wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
So, Should you always take Corruption (relic) on a Nurgle prince, or is a Hellforged Sword good enough with its damage 4 on 6s?

So for your so you have the option of running virulence bles which is a good take if you need to hunt tanks.

Of the base weapons I think against most targets the claws pretty much always win. That said curroption is slightly better against tanks. As such is honestly only ever run the claws and take a different relic for something else.

Yeaa, I'm using the older GUO model as a second daemon prince, so that is why I'm stuck with the sword. The reroll to would seems great on Str 8, but I'm not sure about trading the 3 damage for d3.

I'm stuck with the sacrifical dagger on my GUO. Should I swap it for corruption? (Other hand is the bell)

Captyn_Bob wrote:
I'm stuck with the sacrifical dagger on my GUO. Should I swap it for corruption? (Other hand is the bell)

Id say Corruption is a good upgrade, since most wont be using the Bell as primary melee.

With the demon codex out it seem like the book really encourages combos and thus bombs. I thought it would be helpful to share a few and get other players ideas.

Cheap Horror bomb:
20 pinks
Change caster (with flickering flames)

218 points. Despite being cheap it only costs 2 CP to deepstrike them and it puts out 60 bolter shots. Uses are focused on chaff clearing.


Plague block:
30 plaguebearers: full command
Poxbringer
Scrivener

380 points. Can be deepstruck or just walked. These guys move fast (for nurgle) and hit like a brick.

I've tested both of these together and they are great. What are other people finding effective?

I've tried both one wave 1x30 Bloodletter Bombs and two wave 3x20 Bloodletter Bomb supported by Herald. I'm still on the fence about which one is better because they were both very useful, I simply misplayed them during my games so I was unable to get a clear grasp of what they are truly capable of. I feel if you want to clear a screen, you need to throw 30-40 Bloodletters at it to ensure its destruction. It gets a little murkier from there because obviously using 350 points to clear 180 points is not gud. All I know is 30 Bloodletters killed three units of out of position Fire Warriors but 20 failed to clear 20 Hormigaunts (attacks were also split between that blob and a Carnifex, to be fair). Another unit of 20 wiped out 3 Warriors, and another 20 wiped another 3, then they got pounced on. That should have been my chance to charge with the rest of the army but I got gummed up by Hormigaunts.

All in all I think it just depends on what else you are bringing to the table to dictate how many Bloodletters you should bring.

Fiend block. I have had good results dropping 4 Fiends of Slaanesh in and charging an entire gunline. It can shut down a gunline very quickly like guard or tank spam. It has enough wounds to get in and if the charge does fail somehow you still have a big threat on their front line which causes the opponent to focus fire until they are dead.

I also use changecaster to get gaze of fate off for the reroll, then I have the ability to reroll one or both charge dice to make sure I get in.

Total cost : 262 and 1 command point.

 buddha wrote:
With the demon codex out it seem like the book really encourages combos and thus bombs. I thought it would be helpful to share a few and get other players ideas.

Cheap Horror bomb:
20 pinks
Change caster (with flickering flames)

218 points. Despite being cheap it only costs 2 CP to deepstrike them and it puts out 60 bolter shots. Uses are focused on chaff clearing.
[...]
I've tested both of these together and they are great. What are other people finding effective?

I have no experience with Nurgle, so I will not respond to that.
If you drop in the warlord trait daemonspark as well, you'll wound on a 2+ against space marines.

I'm planning on trying this out as a static gun-line. A blob of 30 pinks, with a herald (I choose the chariot one with the endless robe), daemonspark and flickering fire. To be a threat to targets further away, I add some CSM predators (lascannons) with a CSM daemon prince (as it buffs CSM and Daemons). The prince makes my pinks even more dangerous and a couple of flamers or screamers can be used to claim objectives.

Anyone tried anything like this? Anyone have tips?

Sounds god damn terrifying.

I thought demonspark just have re-rolls ones to wound like a SM lieutenant?

 Hansisaf wrote:
To be a threat to targets further away, I add some CSM predators (lascannons) with a CSM daemon prince (as it buffs CSM and Daemons).

Pred autocannons do more work than the Twin las, taking into consideration Killshot and the DP aura. The las does avg 4.78dmg, while the autocannon does 4.15 against T7Sv3+. Also consider the minimum and maximum damage each weapon can do (assume everything hits, wounds, and saves are failed). The las can do a minimum of 4dmg, a max of 14dmg, and an avg of 9dmg. The autocannon does a min of 8dmg, a max of 24dmg, and an avg of 16dmg. They're nearly equal statistically, but the mins and maxes of the autocannon far outclass the same categories on the las. We're playing a dice game, so trust your luck and hope to go big!
It's cheaper, and it has more shots so it's able to do work against both big things and units.

Here's a calculator so you can test it yourself: http://mathhammer.thefieldsofblood.com/

Huh, that mathhammer site just helped me realize Skullreaver and A'rgrath on a Daemon Prince have pretty much the same chance to do the same amount of wounds on a tank: 60%~ to deal 12 wounds. The Axe simply has a much, muuuch lower min and higher max compared to the sword. Well I'm not playing Chaos for nothing I guess.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Hansisaf wrote:
To be a threat to targets further away, I add some CSM predators (lascannons) with a CSM daemon prince (as it buffs CSM and Daemons).

Pred autocannons do more work than the Twin las, taking into consideration Killshot and the DP aura. The las does avg 4.78dmg, while the autocannon does 4.15 against T7Sv3+. Also consider the minimum and maximum damage each weapon can do (assume everything hits, wounds, and saves are failed). The las can do a minimum of 4dmg, a max of 14dmg, and an avg of 9dmg. The autocannon does a min of 8dmg, a max of 24dmg, and an avg of 16dmg. They're nearly equal statistically, but the mins and maxes of the autocannon far outclass the same categories on the las. We're playing a dice game, so trust your luck and hope to go big!
It's cheaper, and it has more shots so it's able to do work against both big things and units.

Here's a calculator so you can test it yourself: http://mathhammer.thefieldsofblood.com/

Thanks for the tip. I'll deffo keep that in mind

 buddha wrote:
With the demon codex out it seem like the book really encourages combos and thus bombs. I thought it would be helpful to share a few and get other players ideas.

Cheap Horror bomb:
20 pinks
Change caster (with flickering flames)

218 points. Despite being cheap it only costs 2 CP to deepstrike them and it puts out 60 bolter shots. Uses are focused on chaff clearing.


Plague block:
30 plaguebearers: full command
Poxbringer
Scrivener

380 points. Can be deepstruck or just walked. These guys move fast (for nurgle) and hit like a brick.

I've tested both of these together and they are great. What are other people finding effective?

Sounds pretty awesome. Do you do 2 waves, or drop both the Tzeentch and Nurgle units at the same time?

 gwarsh41 wrote:

 buddha wrote:
With the demon codex out it seem like the book really encourages combos and thus bombs. I thought it would be helpful to share a few and get other players ideas.

Cheap Horror bomb:
20 pinks
Change caster (with flickering flames)

218 points. Despite being cheap it only costs 2 CP to deepstrike them and it puts out 60 bolter shots. Uses are focused on chaff clearing.


Plague block:
30 plaguebearers: full command
Poxbringer
Scrivener

380 points. Can be deepstruck or just walked. These guys move fast (for nurgle) and hit like a brick.

I've tested both of these together and they are great. What are other people finding effective?

Sounds pretty awesome. Do you do 2 waves, or drop both the Tzeentch and Nurgle units at the same time?

I've run them both ways and I like the wave method better. The plague block is a bit too CP heavy since it needs all the support characters to deepstrike. I should also note I'm dropping units like obliterators, flamers, etc with the horrors.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:


Here's a calculator so you can test it yourself: http://mathhammer.thefieldsofblood.com/

Does this incorporate the whole re-rolls before modifiers thing?

 andysonic1 wrote:
I've tried both one wave 1x30 Bloodletter Bombs and two wave 3x20 Bloodletter Bomb supported by Herald. I'm still on the fence about which one is better because they were both very useful, I simply misplayed them during my games so I was unable to get a clear grasp of what they are truly capable of. I feel if you want to clear a screen, you need to throw 30-40 Bloodletters at it to ensure its destruction. It gets a little murkier from there because obviously using 350 points to clear 180 points is not gud. All I know is 30 Bloodletters killed three units of out of position Fire Warriors but 20 failed to clear 20 Hormigaunts (attacks were also split between that blob and a Carnifex, to be fair). Another unit of 20 wiped out 3 Warriors, and another 20 wiped another 3, then they got pounced on. That should have been my chance to charge with the rest of the army but I got gummed up by Hormigaunts.

All in all I think it just depends on what else you are bringing to the table to dictate how many Bloodletters you should bring.

I've been bringing 1 x 30 letters with 2 x 30 pinks turn one(one pink starts on the board) and 2 x 19 letters(to prevent itc secondary of 2 cp for.20 model unit) turn 2 to deal with adjusted board state

Ecdain wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:
I've tried both one wave 1x30 Bloodletter Bombs and two wave 3x20 Bloodletter Bomb supported by Herald. I'm still on the fence about which one is better because they were both very useful, I simply misplayed them during my games so I was unable to get a clear grasp of what they are truly capable of. I feel if you want to clear a screen, you need to throw 30-40 Bloodletters at it to ensure its destruction. It gets a little murkier from there because obviously using 350 points to clear 180 points is not gud. All I know is 30 Bloodletters killed three units of out of position Fire Warriors but 20 failed to clear 20 Hormigaunts (attacks were also split between that blob and a Carnifex, to be fair). Another unit of 20 wiped out 3 Warriors, and another 20 wiped another 3, then they got pounced on. That should have been my chance to charge with the rest of the army but I got gummed up by Hormigaunts.

All in all I think it just depends on what else you are bringing to the table to dictate how many Bloodletters you should bring.

I've been bringing 1 x 30 letters with 2 x 30 pinks turn one(one pink starts on the board) and 2 x 19 letters(to prevent itc secondary of 2 cp for.20 model unit) turn 2 to deal with adjusted board state

Itc already changed the cp cost?

Darksteve wrote:

Ecdain wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:
I've tried both one wave 1x30 Bloodletter Bombs and two wave 3x20 Bloodletter Bomb supported by Herald. I'm still on the fence about which one is better because they were both very useful, I simply misplayed them during my games so I was unable to get a clear grasp of what they are truly capable of. I feel if you want to clear a screen, you need to throw 30-40 Bloodletters at it to ensure its destruction. It gets a little murkier from there because obviously using 350 points to clear 180 points is not gud. All I know is 30 Bloodletters killed three units of out of position Fire Warriors but 20 failed to clear 20 Hormigaunts (attacks were also split between that blob and a Carnifex, to be fair). Another unit of 20 wiped out 3 Warriors, and another 20 wiped another 3, then they got pounced on. That should have been my chance to charge with the rest of the army but I got gummed up by Hormigaunts.

All in all I think it just depends on what else you are bringing to the table to dictate how many Bloodletters you should bring.

I've been bringing 1 x 30 letters with 2 x 30 pinks turn one(one pink starts on the board) and 2 x 19 letters(to prevent itc secondary of 2 cp for.20 model unit) turn 2 to deal with adjusted board state

Itc already changed the cp cost?

Phone auto corrected VP sorry, the secondary objective where you get 1 VP for.killing a unit of 10+, 2 VP for killing a unit of 20+. So taking 19 makes them still only worth 1 vp

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:


Here's a calculator so you can test it yourself: http://mathhammer.thefieldsofblood.com/

Does this incorporate the whole re-rolls before modifiers thing?

seconding this, if it does it just became a very handy tool.

 Hansisaf wrote:


I have no experience with Nurgle, so I will not respond to that.
If you drop in the warlord trait daemonspark as well, you'll wound on a 2+ against space marines.

I'm planning on trying this out as a static gun-line. A blob of 30 pinks, with a herald (I choose the chariot one with the endless robe), daemonspark and flickering fire. To be a threat to targets further away, I add some CSM predators (lascannons) with a CSM daemon prince (as it buffs CSM and Daemons). The prince makes my pinks even more dangerous and a couple of flamers or screamers can be used to claim objectives.

Anyone tried anything like this? Anyone have tips?

This list sounds like a lot of fun tbh. I'm new to Daemons and the hobby in general so sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you keep the horrors safe without some sort of screen? Or is it that people are too occupied dealing with the daemon prince and predators to focus on them?

Also would you be able to post this army in the list format? I would really appreciate it.

I'm looking for an aggressive Nurgle list: must have epidemius DP drones gou obl nurglings and gnarlmaw.
I'm in doubt about how invest the test of the point.. mortarion or more body

Paikkio wrote:
I'm looking for an aggressive Nurgle list: must have epidemius DP drones gou obl nurglings and gnarlmaw.
I'm in doubt about how invest the test of the point.. mortarion or more body

I'd say take more bodies over Mortarion. He can't deep-strike in with the Daemon stratagem, so he'll be foot-slogging it up the board in the face of all of your opponent's artillery, and he ain't THAT tough (especially if you don't have the points to bring his Deathshroud bodyguard with him).

Maybe 2 battalion with 30 plaguebearers and and 12-15 nurglins

 Hansisaf wrote:

 buddha wrote:
With the demon codex out it seem like the book really encourages combos and thus bombs. I thought it would be helpful to share a few and get other players ideas.

Cheap Horror bomb:
20 pinks
Change caster (with flickering flames)

218 points. Despite being cheap it only costs 2 CP to deepstrike them and it puts out 60 bolter shots. Uses are focused on chaff clearing.
[...]
I've tested both of these together and they are great. What are other people finding effective?

I have no experience with Nurgle, so I will not respond to that.
If you drop in the warlord trait daemonspark as well, you'll wound on a 2+ against space marines.

I'm planning on trying this out as a static gun-line. A blob of 30 pinks, with a herald (I choose the chariot one with the endless robe), daemonspark and flickering fire. To be a threat to targets further away, I add some CSM predators (lascannons) with a CSM daemon prince (as it buffs CSM and Daemons). The prince makes my pinks even more dangerous and a couple of flamers or screamers can be used to claim objectives.

Anyone tried anything like this? Anyone have tips?

Don't forget to keep a Daemon Prince nearby for the rerolls and to help out in case melee units get too close to the Horrors. If you're using the herald primarily to buff the Horrors, I'd consider ditching the chariot (so the herald can't be targeted if it stays behind the Horror line) and the Robe (if the herald can't easily be targeted, it won't need the Robe). If you give the herald Soul Bane instead, it can help out the Daemon Prince in defending your gun line with what amounts to potentially 3 mortal wounds coming from the herald in melee (the herald isn't very accurate in melee, but the Daemon Prince helps with that a little).

Paikkio wrote:
I'm looking for an aggressive Nurgle list: must have epidemius DP drones gou obl nurglings and gnarlmaw.
I'm in doubt about how invest the test of the point.. mortarion or more body

You’re going NURGLE soup, so why not some CSM Outriders? Blight-Haulers, Bloat-Drones, led by a Daemon Prince Warptiming a bunch of Warp Talons to jump over and entangle units who’d have horrific overwatch. Hardly any LEGION tactics benefit these units anyway, so you may as well enter the spirit of a Green Crusade. Drop a Gnarlmaw near the Warp Talons next turn and they can have a go at assassinating an important support character.


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*thinks* ...OKAY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT GNARLMAWS AND WARP TALONS. MAJOR SHENANIGANS SUSPECTED


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Also, Decimators are an excellent Epidemius booster. A literal bucket of mortal wounds with medium range and BS2+ is a fine way to finish off a nearly dead unit

Bloat drones are My fav unit, already tried 3 near drones and DP but i think obli can make more damage and a mettere trigger for epidemius. Falling from the Sky with a Bell guo able to revive them.

Personally i dont like any tipe of dread-thing. Talons can be a cool deal. But i dont have point.

With the correct alignment of the Planet (or not too much)

Nurglings take obj, gou obli down kill (i Hope) 2 units drone Advance and maybe charge with double damage thanks to the tree and the Psy. Turn 1, 3 soul for the tallyman

Sweet dream.

It took me awhile, but I've seen the light with respect to Plaguebearers. It's dead-easy to protect them with a -2 penalty to hit them, they've got T4 and 5+ FNP (plus a 4++ if you use Warp Surge), and with the right mix of support from Scriveners and heralds and judicious use of various Loci, stratagems, and spells, they can pump out a truly obscene number of wounds per model (if my math is correct, under the right circumstances a Plaguebearer that rolls a 6 to wound can do 5 wounds). That's even before getting into Epidemius' Tally ridiculousness.

True, their weapons don't have any rend and they can't take advantage of Blades of Putrefaction to do mortal wounds, but still...ouch.

Yea, Nurgle is doing very well. A Prince with a hell forged sword, the +1 to wound trait, and the +1 wound power is getting 4 damage on on a 4+ to wound, and 7 damage on a 5+ (if I understand correctly)