Owoo!! Space Wolf Tactica: 8th Edition.

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**Kdash**

So... Who wants to take a stab at explaining the "Wulfen Dreadnought" concept to me? lol.

Interesting to see all the previews over the next week!

**ryzouken**

They stick a mostly dead marine in a dreadnought sarcophagus and, over the centuries, the flaw in that marine's geneseed becomes manifest, resulting in him succumbing to the curse of the wulfen and becoming a giant metal snarling beast. The iron priests could try yanking the sarcophagus to defuse the issue, but a pragmatic Wolf Lord probably said "Y'know, I could find a use for five tons of crazy on the battlefield." Therefore, wulfen dreadnought.

Or, more likely, someone at GW went: "Guys! Wulfen. Dreadnought." And everyone else was drunk enough to think it a good idea without closely examining the idea

**meleti**

Kdash wrote:
So... Who wants to take a stab at explaining the "Wulfen Dreadnought" concept to me? lol.

Interesting to see all the previews over the next week!

Rest of the company didn't like the furry so they encased him in a tomb of ceramite.

... or it's just Murderfang with some slight variation.

**Northern85Star**

Well, let us hope we get some good rules atleast..

**Karhedron**

meleti wrote:

... or it's just Murderfang with some slight variation.

Yeah, I am putting my money on just a generic version of Murderfang. Same way that Moriar used to be a unique DC dread then the BAs got loads of them.

**Shinymarine**

What a load of ass,the kits have one small wolf token added on to them, the battle leader is the same as ba and da ones yet we get our codex 8 months later, you can bet if it’s garbage there won’t be changes in chapter approved because lol not enough time

Throw in where supposed to be impressed with different types of terminators when all types of terminators have been trash all of 8th, and the idea that we need more focus or more wulfen units is a joke

**BrianDavion**

Shinymarine wrote:
What a load of ass,the kits have one small wolf token added on to them, the battle leader is the same as ba and da ones yet we get our codex 8 months later, you can bet if it’s garbage there won’t be changes in chapter approved because lol not enough time

Throw in where supposed to be impressed with different types of terminators when all types of terminators have been trash all of 8th, and the idea that we need more focus or more wulfen units is a joke

perhaps wait until you know what the stratigiums are before declaring it garbarge? besides what did you expect? I'd hoped for some new primaris but..

**Northern85Star**

Wulfen dreadnoughts was entirely the wrong direction to go in the new units department. Rules wise, if it doesnt have an invul save, i cant see it being useful, as fast as things die this edition.

Apart from that it looks like primaris will simply be similar to existing units judging from pack markings. Blood claws could be interesting in primaris version, with two attacks base. Everything else sounds like i wont be spending money, and that wulfen is still the go-to unit, delivered on the hunt or in a flyer.

**BrianDavion**

Northern85Star wrote:
Wulfen dreadnoughts was entirely the wrong direction to go in the new units department. Rules wise, if it doesnt have an invul save, i cant see it being useful, as fast as things die this edition.

Apart from that it looks like primaris will simply be similar to existing units judging from pack markings. Blood claws could be interesting in primaris version, with two attacks base. Everything else sounds like i wont be spending money, and that wulfen is still the go-to unit, delivered on the hunt or in a flyer.

we'll have to see, as for wulfen dreads, that depends, if wulfen dreads get all the normal options of a space wolf dread you're talking the potential to have an axe and sheild combo. could be pretty potent then.

**Shinymarine**

BrianDavion wrote:
Shinymarine wrote:
What a load of ass,the kits have one small wolf token added on to them, the battle leader is the same as ba and da ones yet we get our codex 8 months later, you can bet if it’s garbage there won’t be changes in chapter approved because lol not enough time

Throw in where supposed to be impressed with different types of terminators when all types of terminators have been trash all of 8th, and the idea that we need more focus or more wulfen units is a joke

perhaps wait until you know what the stratigiums are before declaring it garbarge? besides what did you expect? I'd hoped for some new primaris but..

I didn't call it garbage, but I'm not exactly hopeful, the other marine dex's have all been one trick pony's mainly because the stratagems are bland,chapter tactics not applying to tanks/flyers like everybody else gets,throw in overcosted units. I wasn't expecting much but currently trying to justify why this is dropping in August instead of December last year is a hard sell

**BrianDavion**

Shinymarine wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Shinymarine wrote:
What a load of ass,the kits have one small wolf token added on to them, the battle leader is the same as ba and da ones yet we get our codex 8 months later, you can bet if it’s garbage there won’t be changes in chapter approved because lol not enough time

Throw in where supposed to be impressed with different types of terminators when all types of terminators have been trash all of 8th, and the idea that we need more focus or more wulfen units is a joke

perhaps wait until you know what the stratigiums are before declaring it garbarge? besides what did you expect? I'd hoped for some new primaris but..

I didn't call it garbage, but I'm not exactly hopeful, the other marine dex's have all been one trick pony's mainly because the stratagems are bland,chapter tactics not applying to tanks/flyers like everybody else gets,throw in overcosted units. I wasn't expecting much but currently trying to justify why this is dropping in August instead of December last year is a hard sell

econoimics basicly.

**SHUPPET**

Holy gak clicked on this thread expecting excitement about new Wolves coming (I am), and instead see people bitching about the new Dex being too weak and a one trick pony... Before it's even released.

Great job. You're everything that's wrong with the 40k community these days.

**phydaux**

Whoot! SW Codex next week!

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Here's a thought - They have to release a Space Wolves codex with the same flaws that vanilla/BA/DA have, then "fix" all the SM codexes all at once in Chapter Approved.

Basically releasing an intentionally flawed product and then invalidating it with fixes three months later.

Was GW recently bought by EA?

**Neophyte2012**

Looks like we are not getting the Primarch Leman Russ?

**COLD CASH**

Think you guys missed the wolves might be the 1st fixed chapter with chapter/codex wide traits.
Thats a big step in the right direction and will probably mean a chapter approved fix for the other chapters.

**meleti**

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Looks like we are not getting the Primarch Leman Russ?

Not yet, anyway.

**Neophyte2012**

COLD CASH wrote:
Think you guys missed the wolves might be the 1st fixed chapter with chapter/codex wide traits.
Thats a big step in the right direction and will probably mean a chapter approved fix for the other chapters.

If the Wolves CT is about combat like getting counter attack / heroic intervention for everyone or ferious charge equvilant things, then they are meaningless for SW non dread vehicles anyway because those vehicles want to shoot and not combat. However, it would mean a lot for other Space Marine Chapters with other CT that buffs not just combat, especially the Ultramarine, Salamander, Ravenguard, and maybe Dark Angels.

On the other hand. If the GW just copy paste "only infantry, biker and Dreadnought get the Chapter Tactic" it would be very ridiculous as a rule because it excludes the famous Thurnder Wolf Cavalry.

**TheunlikelyGamer**

I can't wait to see if my wulfen will get nastier. Hopefully all my characters stay awesome as well. I'm looking at you Harald

**BrianDavion**

where did the "chapter tactic for everyone" rumor come from?

**COLD CASH**

Its not a rumour they say it themselves in the article!

**meleti**

Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.

As well as bringing Primaris Space Marines fully into the fold, the codex is packed with tweaks and improvements to every part of your army. There are even some brand-new datasheets, giving you never-seen-before options like Wulfen Dreadnoughts or Wolf Guard Terminators clad in Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern armour. We’ll be previewing the new codex throughout the next week with a closer look at what it means for you and your army, so stay tuned!

For those truly dedicated to the service of the Allfather and Fenris, the magnificent Collector’s Edition is for you. Strictly limited in number and featuring a unique soft-touch cover and a black ribbon marker, make sure to get your copy before they run out. All fans, meanwhile, will want to pick up a set of Datacards to keep track of the various Stratagems and psychic powers your army can use, while a set of special Space Wolves Dice feature claw marks in place of pips in a bit of ferocious flair.

I missed the part where they said vehicles are getting a chapter tactic. "Powerful faction-wide rules" doesn't necessarily mean that at all.

**BrianDavion**

meleti wrote:
Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.

As well as bringing Primaris Space Marines fully into the fold, the codex is packed with tweaks and improvements to every part of your army. There are even some brand-new datasheets, giving you never-seen-before options like Wulfen Dreadnoughts or Wolf Guard Terminators clad in Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern armour. We’ll be previewing the new codex throughout the next week with a closer look at what it means for you and your army, so stay tuned!

For those truly dedicated to the service of the Allfather and Fenris, the magnificent Collector’s Edition is for you. Strictly limited in number and featuring a unique soft-touch cover and a black ribbon marker, make sure to get your copy before they run out. All fans, meanwhile, will want to pick up a set of Datacards to keep track of the various Stratagems and psychic powers your army can use, while a set of special Space Wolves Dice feature claw marks in place of pips in a bit of ferocious flair.

I missed the part where they said vehicles are getting a chapter tactic. "Powerful faction-wide rules" doesn't necessarily mean that at all.

yeah, this. that could just mean something like deployment bonuses etc. such as with Custodes, they are advertised as having "powerful faction wide" stuff, but their detachment bonus doesn't extend to tanks as well

**COLD CASH**

Which is why i said might!!! reading comprehension 101!

**meleti**

COLD CASH wrote:
Which is why i said might!!! reading comprehension 101!

You did say this wasn't a rumor. And it is, because it's certainly not confirmed by GW that they are giving chapter tactics to vehicles.

**COLD CASH**

It isn't a rumour that we are getting chapter wide sumthing!!

**meleti**

COLD CASH wrote:
It isn't a rumour that we are getting chapter wide sumthing!!

Like stratagems? Or hell, datasheets? It has next to no meaning.

**COLD CASH**

Faction wide rules? you seriously trying to tell me that is what you have stated above get real and stop trying to be a jerk!

**BrianDavion**

COLD CASH wrote:
Faction wide rules? you seriously trying to tell me that is what you have stated above get real and stop trying to be a jerk!

we're not we're just tempering expectations. the absolute WORST thing you can do is drive yur expectations up insanely high and then get dissappointed because you mearly got "very good"

**gwarsh41**

Stereotypical internet bickering and miscommunication aside for a moment...

I wont be surprised if we don't get any legitimate new models. We're an older chapter (the very first codex ever lol) and already have a great deal of awesome (opinion) and unique models for our range. A Primaris upgrade sprue, if we all click our heals and dream of wolves, maybe even a hint at leman russ's return.

I am 100% most curious about the chapter tactics. SW used to be decently punchy, but not like BA or Khorne. Grey hunters have almost always been the peak of space marine troops in each edition they have been in. I very much hope that continues, mostly because I have 50 of them.

All that aside, the burning question on all our minds....

Will drop pods ever be useful again?!?!?

**Weazel**

Guys you really need to tone down the Doom & Gloom, the book isn't even out yet. I admit I'm slightly annoyed as well if we only get the BA/DA treatment 7 months later than them, but let's just see the full release before passing judgement, okay?

Wulfen dread is probably not even a new kit, you could use the Murderfang face and put either frost claws or shield+axe on him and call it done. I love the dreadnought kit and if I can make it a total assault beast by making it Wulfen I'm not going to complain.

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Oh and from what I can see, the SW upgrade sprue is just a single chainsword and no power weapons? That is really a damn shame.