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Page 174 - Deathwatch Terminators
Change the Crux Terminatus rule to read:
"Models in this unit have a 5+invulnerable save."
Seems pretty clear to me...
They changed it from TERMINATORS have 5+ invul save to models IN THIS UNIT have a 5+ invul save.
Like it or not the Terminators on page 173 Crux Terminatus is still limited to Deathwatch Terminators have 5+ invuln save.
They've changed it from a keyword that actually granted it to the Kill Team to a unit specific statement.
The Kill Team Terminators on page 173 have a different Crux Terminatus to those on 174.
We missed the boat on that bad wording 5++ save for the Kill Team.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Can a kill team get one terminator with Storm Shield and thunderhammer stand front of the rest of killteam and eat all moral wounds as it can ? Act as Riot shield in real life heh.
I'd Storm Shield the Termie if it wasn't a package deal with the 20 point Hammer, personally I'd just keep the Storm Bolter and replace the Power Fist with a cheaper Power Weapon, that's half a Terminator saved right there.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
I was really hoping the Terminators would add extra protection in the squad for being there, rather than being an expensive bullet sponge...
Squads with a Terminator can be put down in your opponent's deployment zone - say via Blackstar delivery - and use any available Deathwatch Homing Beacons in order to jump back to your deployment zone. Ever hear the saying "best defense is no be there."?
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Terminator with heavy weapon in squad strike priority target hard and sponge down enemy weapons AP-0 or in cover for AP-1, maybe add Veteran with good pistol and Storm shield for sponge down enemy's high AP weapon..
Biker squad out flanked the enemy and active homing beacon, then Killteam Squad can teleport to homing beacon.
Sort of shout 'look at me!' distracting to your opponent while you draw a big picture of your plan.
Solidcrash wrote: Terminator with heavy weapon in squad strike priority target hard and sponge down enemy weapons AP-0 or in cover for AP-1, maybe add Veteran with good pistol and Storm shield for sponge down enemy's high AP weapon..
Biker squad out flanked the enemy and active homing beacon, then Killteam Squad can teleport to homing beacon.
Sort of shout 'look at me!' distracting to your opponent while you draw a big picture of your plan.
Here's hoping the enemy bites the bait.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Super important (but quick) question... Can I replace my standard issue blowgun with a Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, and then exchange THAT boltgun for an InfernusHB
Man I can't wait for an army builder that cuts through the insanity of looking at 4 different pages, then the FAQ and then the forums for interpretation of it all.
Homing Beacons from the Bikers. Do they set it on one of their turns or are they auto placed during deployment?
* So far this portion is worse than 7th edition.
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Battle Brother Lucifer wrote: So ive been making extra DW using the bits from the killteam boxes, DW upgrade sprues, and the BoC box.
So far I was thinking of 3 kill teams,
3 combi plasmas with swords (sgt has 1 and the xenophase) a 2 swords blackshield, and a frag cannon
Team 2 Im thinking 2 infernus hb, 2 or 3 shotguns, and a blackshield with dual claws
Any suggestions for the last team? I still have one more frag cannon, maybe that with squad one and the blackshield moved to a melee squad 3? Im Also converting the DV Librarian, chaplain, and AC termy to the Watch too, for extra goodness
The only successful 2 sword models would be ones with chainswords since it doesn't stack. Keep that in mind. Also mix your kill teams with bikes, vanguards, and terminators. You will have a lot more fun building the kill teams and have a hell of a lot more synergy.
stewe128 wrote: In my opinion to have successful kill teams Deathwatch need to have kill teams built around absolutely murdering a specific thing then throw that kill team in a Corvus and go straight into enemy lines to take out that specific thing. So far that's what I've been doing and haven't lost yet. Deathwatch in 8th is so flexible it's jaw dropping what they can do. Also combi-plasmas and a watch master in a corvus.... That's a beauty.
I'm curious what you mean specific things - from my experience there's only four categories of opposition, vehicles, vehicles in cover, non-vehicles and non-vehicles in cover..
I'd say vehicles, mobs, standard infantry, and monsters. Fun fact with monsters like a daemon prince from fw. Deathwatch can use their 2+ ammo on them since it's not a vehicle lol its GLORIOUS!! But building certain kill teams around getting rid of vehicles, mobs, and etc will make them a lot more dangerous. For example: against vehicles having at least 2 heavy thunderhammers in there for the walking lascannons.
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Battle Brother Lucifer wrote: Super important (but quick) question... Can I replace my standard issue blowgun with a Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, and then exchange THAT boltgun for an InfernusHB
No, multiple swaps don't seem to be a thing this edition. You can try and argue it, but it'll just come off as smacking of desperation.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote: So ive been making extra DW using the bits from the killteam boxes, DW upgrade sprues, and the BoC box.
So far I was thinking of 3 kill teams,
3 combi plasmas with swords (sgt has 1 and the xenophase) a 2 swords blackshield, and a frag cannon
Team 2 Im thinking 2 infernus hb, 2 or 3 shotguns, and a blackshield with dual claws
Any suggestions for the last team? I still have one more frag cannon, maybe that with squad one and the blackshield moved to a melee squad 3? Im Also converting the DV Librarian, chaplain, and AC termy to the Watch too, for extra goodness
The only successful 2 sword models would be ones with chainswords since it doesn't stack. Keep that in mind. Also mix your kill teams with bikes, vanguards, and terminators. You will have a lot more fun building the kill teams and have a hell of a lot more synergy.
stewe128 wrote: In my opinion to have successful kill teams Deathwatch need to have kill teams built around absolutely murdering a specific thing then throw that kill team in a Corvus and go straight into enemy lines to take out that specific thing. So far that's what I've been doing and haven't lost yet. Deathwatch in 8th is so flexible it's jaw dropping what they can do. Also combi-plasmas and a watch master in a corvus.... That's a beauty.
I'm curious what you mean specific things - from my experience there's only four categories of opposition, vehicles, vehicles in cover, non-vehicles and non-vehicles in cover.
I'd say vehicles, mobs, standard infantry, and monsters. Fun fact with monsters like a daemon prince from fw. Deathwatch can use their 2+ ammo on them since it's not a vehicle lol its GLORIOUS!! But building certain kill teams around getting rid of vehicles, mobs, and etc will make them a lot more dangerous. For example: against vehicles having at least 2 heavy thunderhammers in there for the walking lascannons.
Not overly fond of HTHammers, I managed most of my vehicle killing with a Razorback and a Blackstar and thanks to your point about the Blackstar's little party trick I'll be doing it with two Blackstars and a Razorback and have more Specialised Ammo for dealing with Mobs.
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I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote: Super important (but quick) question... Can I replace my standard issue blowgun with a Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, and then exchange THAT boltgun for an InfernusHB
No, multiple swaps don't seem to be a thing this edition. You can try and argue it, but it'll just come off as smacking of desperation.
I just want to model pistols on my Deathwatch models with Hweapons because of course theyd have one fluff wise, but if its against the rules I could pry it off I suppose
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hold up, unless Kill Team Cassius has non legal options, the Imperial Fist has a pistol and a frag cannon? Was this legal in 7th and not now? Or is it a sign that the double swap works? (I only intend to do it to add pistols to characters without a close range option because itll look better )
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It wasn't legal back then either, Kill Teams didn't even have access to pistols. The special character version of his kill team might have, but I don't remember that. You can just model the pistol and just ignore it, not like anyone's checking out the belt on your marines anyway.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: not like anyone's checking out the belt on your marines anyway.
Easy there, I happen to enjoy modeling my marines with grenades, pouches, and pistols, and they all add color to the black DW paint scheme, so people probably will be checking out my kitbash work thank you very much
MasterSlowPoke wrote: not like anyone's checking out the belt on your marines anyway.
Easy there, I happen to enjoy modeling my marines with grenades, pouches, and pistols, and they all add color to the black DW paint scheme, so people probably will be checking out my kitbash work thank you very much
Yeah?
Most people in my area look straight to the chapter shoulder pads then go looking for parts that don't fit with that chapter.
"You know you have an awful lot of Space Wolves in here, why so many?"
"Cause I play Space Wolves".
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: not like anyone's checking out the belt on your marines anyway.
Easy there, I happen to enjoy modeling my marines with grenades, pouches, and pistols, and they all add color to the black DW paint scheme, so people probably will be checking out my kitbash work thank you very much
Yeah?
Most people in my area look straight to the chapter shoulder pads then go looking for parts that don't fit with that chapter.
"You know you have an awful lot of Space Wolves in here, why so many?"
"Cause I play Space Wolves".
I can imagine it now "hey how come you have so many chapters in there?" I play deathwatch
So, I've been eyeing the Deathwatch models at my shop for a while now but don't want to commit to a full army. I was thinking of maybe allying in 3-500 points or so with my Imperial Guard. Are there any units that would pair well with them at that points cost?
For 3-500 points, I'd look to a Jump Pack Captain, Vanguard Vets, and/or Deathwatch Termies. They'll give you maneuverability and durability that the IG lack. Basic Kill Teams would probably overlap with IG.
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I'd nab an Outrider detachment, Jump Captain and a few units of Bikers,
Deathwatch Terminators are no different to any Space Marine Terminators, Bikers and Vanguard Vets are the only really unique units Deathwatch can offer up for cheap.
With Bikers you can lay down a heap of Special Ammunition Hellfire rounds to off tougher models like TWC, Bikes and Monstrous Creatures so your Guard only really need to focus on weak Infantry and Vehicles.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: Deathwatch Termies at least get 3 special weapons, for as much as that's worth. I agree Bikers are probably the better buy.
There's nothing wrong with Terminators but check these stats -
Assault Cannon 24' Heavy6 S6 AP-1 D1 for 21 points.
HFlamer 8' HeavyD6 S5 AP-1 D1 100% accuracy for 17 points.
Cyclone ML for 50 points + Stormbolter
- Frag 36' Heavy2D3 S4 AP0 D1
- Krak 36' Heavy2 S8 AP-2 D D6 - SBolter 24' rapidfire2 S4 AP0 D1
If Storm Bolters had Special Ammo I'd be all over Termies with their Deep Strike ability.
The Biker's two Boltguns are "free" and versatile.
Bonus for shooting into cover.
2+ poison against non-vehicles.
Range and small ap boost.
Range drop for bigger ap boost.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Thinking about adding the Reivers to my list to have a little splash of no overwatch. Question is will the Reivers be able to use special issue ammo...
Should be.. there are Stalker boltgun rifle and Bolt pistol in Deathwatch Index, and Reiver use master craft 'Stalker boltgun rifle' and Heavy 'Bolt pistol'...
Storm Bolter is combi-boltgun, should be count as twin boltgun.
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