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Adding my voice to the 'WTF pricing' in Australia.

I was looking forward to picking them up too.

Wtf pricing anywhere. One could get a huge swath of Dark Imperium nuMarines for the price of the two characters. All of one set, if you have a reasonable source/someone to split with. I'm starting to fear every new releases's price hike again.

Not actually a price hike. For a character on 2 (mini-)sprues, they are the same price as Kharn (one sprue) or the tzangor shaman (2 sprues) and cheaper than the Shokk Attack gun (one sprue), Ahriman (2 sprues), Gaunt Summoner on disc (2 sprues), Lord Castellan (2 sprues), or megaboss (2 sprues)

Not the price I would like to see, but this isn't a price hike, it is in line with characters of a similar size for the past year.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not actually a price hike. For a character on 2 (mini-)sprues, they are the same price as Kharn (one sprue) or the tzangor shaman (2 sprues) and cheaper than the Shokk Attack gun (one sprue), Ahriman (2 sprues), Gaunt Summoner on disc (2 sprues), Lord Castellan (2 sprues), or megaboss (2 sprues)

Not the price I would like to see, but this isn't a price hike, it is in line with characters of a similar size for the past year.

Are all those sprues the same size and equally densely packed?

Granted GW pricing rarely seems entirely logical, to go on the flip side, it's more expensive than a couple of 2 sprue foot slogging Stormcast that I think would be quite comparable; Lord Veritant, Knight Vexillor.

But GW pricing is always a weird mix of number of sprues, number of components, value on the table, whether or not it's a special character, what slot it takes up in the army and so on.

Being a monopose plastic Space Marine (even if it is a bit bigger than old Space Marines) the pricing feels excessive regardless of whether GW have already set a precedent.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Galas wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

As for learning their lessons, we've also seen multiple starter options announced at very reasonable prices (by GW standards).

I love the way you have to qualify "reasonable" as being by GW standards

We have to be realistic. You can't expect Apple to have Microsoft prices

Right - if one were to look at the price of a painting canvas for example, one would be equally shocked if they were comparing it to simple posters.
That's how GW views these character pieces - high quality plastic canvases.
Whether you like it or not that's the idea.

I once met a guy who firmly believed he was Napoleon Bonaparte in a previous life - his firm view on the matter didn't change the fact he was mental

And to the folk quite rightly urging restraint in the hope of GW noticing they've gone a bit mental, there's a key difference between Stormcast and Primaris that means GW will likely never notice any attempt at holding off on purchases; the latter are actual Space Marines. Oh yes, now I know the Stormcast are basically Land Marines and intentionally so, but they were still a new faction for a new setting and while they are no doubt disproportionately popular they would still have been much more subject to a price-related "wobble" in consumption than any kind of SM ever will be, alas.

Considering how many quality models we got in the starter for a really decent price, I could get at least one of the new characters and still dont feel I spent to much on a decent Primaris force.
I dont defend the aussi prices, just saying my primaris collection is not exactly overpriced even if I get a new librarian.

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

 Fayric wrote:

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

Not entirely true. The plastic kit was a great source of weapons, if nothing else.

This new guy? Not so much.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

Not entirely true. The plastic kit was a great source of weapons, if nothing else.

This new guy? Not so much.

My biggest complaint about GW is that a multipart hero kit isn't avilable for every faction.
Its the one thing I will ALWAYS hold against them.

Why are people still act surprised by Aussie pricing every years, months and days? For Mork and Gork sake that kind of thing should be expected by now.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

Not entirely true. The plastic kit was a great source of weapons, if nothing else.

This new guy? Not so much.

Yeah. If this Captain would have come with good selection of weapons I could have used to upgrade my other models, I would have been fine with the price. But this guy has nothing that's not already available in the starter box.


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 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
Why are people still act surprised by Aussie pricing every years, months and days? For Mork and Gork sake that kind of thing should be expected by now.

They're insanely expensive in any currency.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
Why are people still act surprised by Aussie pricing every years, months and days? For Mork and Gork sake that kind of thing should be expected by now.

Seems to me the pricing is pretty crap in every currency, It's just the NZ/Oz pricing comes up first at a time when NZ/Oz people tend to be awake so it tends to get discussed.

On the subject of overpriced Age of Sigmar individual figures- a good chunk of the new plastics have found their ways into discounted bundles of some sort or another- be they board games, expansions for board games, or start collecting boxes.

Hopefully if enough people speak with their wallet we will see something similar happen in the future.

These guys are quickly becoming Stormcasts. They have no options and are expensive as feth.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

Not entirely true. The plastic kit was a great source of weapons, if nothing else.

This new guy? Not so much.

But....two kinds of bolter magazines with an ugly join! That doesn't count as the advertised "selection of weapons"?

Seriously, doesn't hold a candle to the old multi-part captain, at a much higher price. Hell, at least two of the Stormcast models priced the same come with a gryph-hound, as well, even if they are still expensive.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
These guys are quickly becoming Stormcasts. They have no options and are expensive as feth.

Stormcast have options though...

They came when we got the book/rules for the individual kits.
That's when we got Liberators with Shields/Swords, Shields/Hammers, Hammers/Dagger, Sword/Dagger--and one model in the group can take a Greatblade or Greathammer.
That's when we got the two remaining types of Paladins (Decimators with their axes that let you hit a boatload of things at once and Protectors that have the glaive that can let them negate ranged attacks) and the addition of the Stormsoul Mace "special weapon".
That's when we got the alternate build for Prosecutors with the Stormcall Javelins and when we got the hammer/shield or hammer/hammer profiles and where both got the option of the trident as a "special weapon".
Or Judicators with their Bow or Crossbow option with the special bow option as well.

What I'm getting at in the end is that Age of Sigmar had things broken down differently to 40k. You have some things getting entirely new profiles for what amount to weapon options(Paladins and Prosecutors) and other things getting weapon options.

Who's to say which way Primaris are going to go?


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 AegisGrimm wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Edit: And for what its worth, buying a power armour captain has always been a waste of money.

Not entirely true. The plastic kit was a great source of weapons, if nothing else.

This new guy? Not so much.

But....two kinds of bolter magazines with an ugly join! That doesn't count as the advertised "selection of weapons"?

Seriously, doesn't hold a candle to the old multi-part captain, at a much higher price. Hell, at least two of the Stormcast models priced the same come with a gryph-hound, as well, even if they are still expensive.

The Lord-Castellant(first Gryph-Hound model, was part of the original Stormcast launch) is $40.
The Lord-Veritant(a more recent model that was part of the Stormcast Redux release) is $33.

And honestly, I think people are remembering the old Commander box with rose tinted glasses. Because it was a multi-part plastic you could certainly do some nice things with it...but without kitbashing it was just as "meh" as any other plastic Marine HQ kit has been, just with the added bonus of being able to position the arms a bit better I guess?

FAQ is posted for the Primaris Captain and Librarian. Not sure if this was posted yet. It's on Warhammer Digital.

Seperate shoulderpads is all I needed to see. Probably gonna grab one captain but thats about it.

I can just see an incredible amount of Dark Imperium Death Guard going for cheap as people buy up more and more boxes to turn Lieutenants into different characters.

I knew there was an element of naivety in my grandiose plan to make an illustrious return to 40K and collect a Primaris army, but blimey, I wasn't expecting a reality check this quickly.

FAQ is up...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/02/warhammer-40000-faq-now-available-july2gw-homepage-post-1/

Sicarian Infiltrators nerfed again, god damn.

Purestrain Genestealers got cheaper by almost 50 percent.. bare bones....

Cult Icons cost points now? Shucks...

Now we wait for the FW FAQ's to drop..

They still got Blood Angels Assault Squads wrong, but at least we can take Meltaguns and Plasmaguns again. They need to give them Inferno Pistols and Hand Flamers though.

Jesus H! Like Berzerkers weren't good enough already...

Q. If a unit has an ability that allows it to fight twice in the
Fight phase (e.g. Berzerkers), at what point during the Fight
phase do they fight for the second time?
A. Treat each time the unit is able to fight as a separate
unit selected to fight for all purposes.
So, if such a unit charged this turn, it will fight both
times before any units that did not charge. If the unit
did not charge this turn, then, after all units that did
charge have fought, you can select this unit to fight with,
then your opponent can select a unit to fight with, then
you can select your unit to fight with for the second
time (you need not consecutively use both of the unit’s
opportunities to fight – unless of course there are no
other eligible units to select to fight with).

It might be better if the discussion about the FAQ would take place in this thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/731285.page#9467967

 Leth wrote:
Seperate shoulderpads is all I needed to see. Probably gonna grab one captain but thats about it.

It would be convenient but not a dealbreaker if they're attached. A pair of snips and a bit of care make any shoulder pad separate. At least that's the way it worked out for my Primaris Ancient. That boy went off and joined the Deathwatch as a White Consul.

 Breotan wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Seperate shoulderpads is all I needed to see. Probably gonna grab one captain but thats about it.

It would be convenient but not a dealbreaker if they're attached. A pair of snips and a bit of care make any shoulder pad separate. At least that's the way it worked out for my Primaris Ancient. That boy went off and joined the Deathwatch as a White Consul.

We've seen: they are.

 BrookM wrote:
Now we wait for the FW FAQ's to drop..

I wouldnt hold your breath Brook

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Now we wait for the FW FAQ's to drop..

I wouldnt hold your breath Brook

Damn it, you are so right, you saved my life there.

Though it would be less of a FAQ and more of an errata than anything else.

 BrookM wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Now we wait for the FW FAQ's to drop..

I wouldnt hold your breath Brook

Damn it, you are so right, you saved my life there.

Though it would be less of a FAQ and more of an errata than anything else.

in the case of the FW stuff I think it'd be more of a "complete re-write"