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Back in 2nd edition the Ancient Helveticus (I think) was the special character who was the Ultramarines Chapter Standard bearer.

 Elbows wrote:
Why in the flying feth does a standard bearer have to be an "Ancient" all of a sudden? (a name oddly applied to a brand new baby space marine...) Sadly with this kind of stuff they're doing more damage to the lore/fluff than good.

Because they finally put his actual rank in the unit name? After only twenty years, too.
Not counting that the title itself goes back to Roman times which is probably why the pseudo-Roman Ultramarines favour it.

That dreadnought is all sorts of special.

And I have to admit, the new Marines are certainly pretty. I have no interest in upscaling, but I do like the design.

Still not sold on the flying miniraider, though.

 Elbows wrote:

Why in the flying feth does a standard bearer have to be an "Ancient" all of a sudden? (a name oddly applied to a brand new baby space marine...) .. .

Saves them from having to rename him next edition, when the original Marines are quietly removed and the Primaris guys just become the standard marines...

That new dread reminds me of the Robocop 2 design from the similarly named film.

Maybe that's why I'm being drawn to it. Leviathan is nice and all, but I can probably afford the new one without getting my wife pissed.

Redemptor Dreadnought

"Behold, Brother, my knees can bend now!"

I am just loving the Plasma Cannon.

Primaris are growing on me. If their codex comes out to be good , I might start a small army of them - prolly DA-themed.

You know, what I'd really like to see is a side-by-side of the Redemptor with the washing machine - at first glance the sarcophagus and upper-torso section seem quite similar in size to the old dread, but I thought the same about the Bolt Rifles as well and they're HUEG compared to regular bolters, not merely a slight length extention, so maybe this might be a useful source of parts for truescale dreads afterall.

I would like to See the dread besides a knight

The Primaris Dreadnought is something that I have noticed looks to sport a beer belly, as I have seen this now I can not unsee it.

It could be to do with the angle of the photos, and how some objects don't translate well to flat images.

The New Tank is far too busy, a bit of a departure from the slick looking aesthetics of the Primaris Marines. Also this may just be me, but I honestly think that Anti-Grav vehicles should be limited to xenos only. A way to help show that it is still a dark age, and some technology has been lost, or is no longer understood.

I am not a fan of the tank either. But now seeing how big the dreads are, I definitely want an army of them.

 Elbows wrote:
I would not put it beyond them...at all. I can see almost everything in the game being re-named/modified. They seem to be on a huge high doing that.

Why in the flying feth does a standard bearer have to be an "Ancient" all of a sudden? (a name oddly applied to a brand new baby space marine...) Sadly with this kind of stuff they're doing more damage to the lore/fluff than good.

Remember that Primaris aren't just "brand new baby space marines". Apparently the process can be used on Marines as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I would not put it beyond them...at all. I can see almost everything in the game being re-named/modified. They seem to be on a huge high doing that.

Why in the flying feth does a standard bearer have to be an "Ancient" all of a sudden? (a name oddly applied to a brand new baby space marine...) Sadly with this kind of stuff they're doing more damage to the lore/fluff than good.

Remember that Primaris aren't just "brand new baby space marines". Apparently the process can be used on Marines as well.

Indeed, it's kind of a fair assumption that a "primaris ancient" with a white veteran helmet is probably one of those upgraded marines. But it's also worth bearing in mind by the time of the box set the primaris have been fighting for a while, they don't exactly have new car smell anymore

Ancient does not imply age. It's simply a standard bearer.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

Redemptor Dreadnought

"Behold, Brother, my knees can bend now!"

Well, sure. He just can't see anything that gets close enough to be under his belly overhang, lol. The new dread does grow on you, though I hate it's increased size.

It just seems that GW is hitting us pretty hard in the face that 8th edition's theme is "Bigger! Everything bigger!"

 Paradigm wrote:

Not a huge fan of the new dread, its size is impressive but aesthetically, the Leviathan has it beat all round.

Not a fan of the Contemptor, but will buy that Primaris dread, like day one. Different strokes and all that...

The Dark Imperium novel has a Primaris Ancient accompanying Calgar on Ultramar. While it is more of a ceremonial title, this particular Primaris was among the first batch to reach Ultramar. So by the time of the book he's been a marine for about a century. There is also a Redemtor dread who's pilot was the first Primaris to fall in Ultramar's defence.

Here's a piece of art from the rulebook allegedly showing new apothecary:

Chikout wrote:
A nice comparison shot.

Thank you for that!

I like the new Redemptor Dread a bit, but I love the Leviathan - so Leviathan Redemptor 'counts as' it is!

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Here's a piece of art from the rulebook allegedly showing new apothecary:

Spoiler:

Looks like he got a new tool! And some medical servitors.

Or he's getting ready to dispense some Emperor's Mercy.

id really like some new servitors...

 Yodhrin wrote:
You know, what I'd really like to see is a side-by-side of the Redemptor with the washing machine - at first glance the sarcophagus and upper-torso section seem quite similar in size to the old dread, but I thought the same about the Bolt Rifles as well and they're HUEG compared to regular bolters, not merely a slight length extention, so maybe this might be a useful source of parts for truescale dreads afterall.

Or not. Numarines might be too large for truemarines. That or custodes are way too small

Well the rules say that rules come in the box.

So they'll either re-box everything, print new instructions for the stuff with the rules on the instructions and make inserts for the stuff that doesn't or be liars.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The Dark Imperium novel has a Primaris Ancient accompanying Calgar on Ultramar. While it is more of a ceremonial title, this particular Primaris was among the first batch to reach Ultramar. So by the time of the book he's been a marine for about a century. There is also a Redemtor dread who's pilot was the first Primaris to fall in Ultramar's defence.

A one-century-old Space Marine is hardly an Ancient.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The Dark Imperium novel has a Primaris Ancient accompanying Calgar on Ultramar. While it is more of a ceremonial title, this particular Primaris was among the first batch to reach Ultramar. So by the time of the book he's been a marine for about a century. There is also a Redemtor dread who's pilot was the first Primaris to fall in Ultramar's defence.

A one-century-old Space Marine is hardly an Ancient.

As was mentioned earlier, the title "ancient" doesn't mean the marine is older, it's simply denotes the honor/status of the flag bearer. I think this is rooted in Roman/Medieval tradition. A lot of time the "ancient" was the banner itself, not the one tasked with carrying it. Of course I haven't seen the fluff yet so unless GW has an alternative explanation, this seems more than likely.

I like the repulsor tank, though the variant with tons of extra guns is way better. The dread on the other hand I just don't like, I could tolerate the bot-belly-ish bit on its own but combined with the bow-legged look its just silly to me.

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
You know, what I'd really like to see is a side-by-side of the Redemptor with the washing machine - at first glance the sarcophagus and upper-torso section seem quite similar in size to the old dread, but I thought the same about the Bolt Rifles as well and they're HUEG compared to regular bolters, not merely a slight length extention, so maybe this might be a useful source of parts for truescale dreads afterall.

Or not. Numarines might be too large for truemarines. That or custodes are way too small

I already have my box, they're the perfect size for truescale marines, like to the mm. It's merely that the bolt rifles are just as hilariously oversized as bolters were on normal marines. For some reason(to stay compatible with the HH range?) they evidently chose to scale the Custodes against regular Marines.

 Alpharius wrote:

Chikout wrote:
A nice comparison shot.

Thank you for that!

I like the new Redemptor Dread a bit, but I love the Leviathan - so Leviathan Redemptor 'counts as' it is!

TBH I'd just take a Relic Leviathan instead - T8, 2+/4++, 14 wounds, two heavy flamers, and a pair of Heavy 10, S7, AP-2, D2 Storm Cannons sounds like it'll mulch just about anything, and for the things it won't the Grav-flux Bombard is Heavy D3(+D3 extra for every five models in the target unit), S9, AP-5, D2(becomes D5 if target has Monster, Vehicle, or Titanic keywords). The Redemptor rules will have to be something special to compare.

Good point - just not sure how readily Leviathans will be 'accepted' in games of 40K, so if not, 'counts as' Redemptor is a good fall back!

 Alpharius wrote:
Good point - just not sure how readily Leviathans will be 'accepted' in games of 40K, so if not, 'counts as' Redemptor is a good fall back!

Wait, there are still people holding the line on the whole "FW isn't proper" thing? I thought they'd finally given in and accepted reality once FW started putting actual big ol' "STAMP OF OFFICIALNESS" graphics on their unit entries and that surely the only ones left were rare oddities like those Japanese island soldiers who never found out the war had ended.