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 mace_ace wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Asking again - anyone know of any online stores offering the Open War cards for pre-order? Warstore, Minimarket, GameNerdz, and Frontline all do not list the Open War card deck for pre-order. Only the easy to build and smaller starters.

But GW doesn't list the Open War cards as direct only, so, not sure if it's an oversight or what.

Here's a new shop in MA hat has them for pre-order: https://www.alphaomegahobby.com/collections/new-releases

Was hoping for the ol' 15% off

Contact them ;-)

3+ armour save Reivers. Good!

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
3+ armour save Reivers. Good!

Where do you see that?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
3+ armour save Reivers. Good!

Where do you see that?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/10/tactica-primaris-space-marine-reivers-july-10gw-homepage-post-2/

Games Workshop wrote: In addition to this, these warriors have the same armour saves as other power-armoured units,

Ah thanks, I didn't check their site yet.
Looks like they have some interesting rules and gear. Those grenades sound useful.

No problem, and yeah, these guys seem pretty neat.

I always figured Chaplain skulls were less about scarying the enemy, and more of a ritualistic identification for other marines.

Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

Spoiler:

Yeah, it isn't great. Reminds me of those Fabulous Dancing Flayed Ones from 5th ed.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
3+ armour save Reivers. Good!

Where do you see that?

You can also see their stats on this picture : https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/fs-7.jpg

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

Spoiler:

I think the minis are fine, but that art is hilarious. Looks like he tripped. Not sure how I missed that.

I would not have expected them to be Elites, but that is pretty cool.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
3+ armour save Reivers. Good!

Where do you see that?

You can also see their stats on this picture :

Spoiler:

How about just linking the picture next time?

Ok cool. So intercessor stats, extra attack from knives, and bolt pistols with -1 ap (and maybe a bit more range, if they correspond with bolt rifles' increased range and ap over a bolter).

Fun that the enemy doesn't get to overwatch at them. That makes them a decent assault unit against soft stuff.

Interesting that they don't mention anything about infiltration or deep strike. That doesn't mean they can't do it. They might not want to entirely give the game away.

Even without that they seem ok for 18 points, if the repulsor is resonably-priced. A unit of these guys with a Librarian to buff them would be pretty cool.

If they do infiltrate, and can have bolt rifles, then they'll be very useful in maelstrom missions. Set up in cover on an objective they'll be fairly hard to remove. But I kind of doubt they can do this, as if they could they would just be better intercessors for 2 points less. I think that probably means bolt rifles are out, and the guy who said he'd seen them is mistaken - or making it up.

Mandragola wrote:
Ok cool. So intercessor stats, extra attack from knives, and bolt pistols with -1 ap (and maybe a bit more range, if they correspond with bolt rifles' increased range and ap over a bolter).

Fun that the enemy doesn't get to overwatch at them. That makes them a decent assault unit against soft stuff.

Interesting that they don't mention anything about infiltration or deep strike. That doesn't mean they can't do it. They might not want to entirely give the game away.

Even without that they seem ok for 18 points, if the repulsor is resonably-priced. A unit of these guys with a Librarian to buff them would be pretty cool.

If they do infiltrate, and can have bolt rifles, then they'll be very useful in maelstrom missions. Set up in cover on an objective they'll be fairly hard to remove. But I kind of doubt they can do this, as if they could they would just be better intercessors for 2 points less. I think that probably means bolt rifles are out, and the guy who said he'd seen them is mistaken - or making it up.

Scouts can have bolters, there is no reason that they couldn't have bolt rifles for free. After all, bolt rifles are inferior to what normal space marines already have on a variety of units. They aren't that great of weapons.

Their rules are great - their models look like trash.

 Kirasu wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Ok cool. So intercessor stats, extra attack from knives, and bolt pistols with -1 ap (and maybe a bit more range, if they correspond with bolt rifles' increased range and ap over a bolter).

Fun that the enemy doesn't get to overwatch at them. That makes them a decent assault unit against soft stuff.

Interesting that they don't mention anything about infiltration or deep strike. That doesn't mean they can't do it. They might not want to entirely give the game away.

Even without that they seem ok for 18 points, if the repulsor is resonably-priced. A unit of these guys with a Librarian to buff them would be pretty cool.

If they do infiltrate, and can have bolt rifles, then they'll be very useful in maelstrom missions. Set up in cover on an objective they'll be fairly hard to remove. But I kind of doubt they can do this, as if they could they would just be better intercessors for 2 points less. I think that probably means bolt rifles are out, and the guy who said he'd seen them is mistaken - or making it up.

Scouts can have bolters, there is no reason that they couldn't have bolt rifles for free. After all, bolt rifles are inferior to what normal space marines already have on a variety of units. They aren't that great of weapons.

Please explain how a S4 AP-1 30" range weapon is inferior to a S4 AP0 24" range weapon.
Its a basic weapon. Its not supposed to be god tier. Try comparing basic weapons to basic weapons.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Their rules are great - their models look like trash.

Bah! They aren't they bad. If you don't like the heads, just swap them out.

Mandragola wrote:
Ok cool. So intercessor stats, extra attack from knives, and bolt pistols with -1 ap (and maybe a bit more range, if they correspond with bolt rifles' increased range and ap over a bolter).

Fun that the enemy doesn't get to overwatch at them. That makes them a decent assault unit against soft stuff.

Interesting that they don't mention anything about infiltration or deep strike. That doesn't mean they can't do it. They might not want to entirely give the game away.

Even without that they seem ok for 18 points, if the repulsor is resonably-priced. A unit of these guys with a Librarian to buff them would be pretty cool.

If they do infiltrate, and can have bolt rifles, then they'll be very useful in maelstrom missions. Set up in cover on an objective they'll be fairly hard to remove. But I kind of doubt they can do this, as if they could they would just be better intercessors for 2 points less. I think that probably means bolt rifles are out, and the guy who said he'd seen them is mistaken - or making it up.

The one on the left in that artwork has a bolt rifle so it seem pretty reasonable that the models will have access to them as well.

 mace_ace wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Ok cool. So intercessor stats, extra attack from knives, and bolt pistols with -1 ap (and maybe a bit more range, if they correspond with bolt rifles' increased range and ap over a bolter).

Fun that the enemy doesn't get to overwatch at them. That makes them a decent assault unit against soft stuff.

Interesting that they don't mention anything about infiltration or deep strike. That doesn't mean they can't do it. They might not want to entirely give the game away.

Even without that they seem ok for 18 points, if the repulsor is resonably-priced. A unit of these guys with a Librarian to buff them would be pretty cool.

If they do infiltrate, and can have bolt rifles, then they'll be very useful in maelstrom missions. Set up in cover on an objective they'll be fairly hard to remove. But I kind of doubt they can do this, as if they could they would just be better intercessors for 2 points less. I think that probably means bolt rifles are out, and the guy who said he'd seen them is mistaken - or making it up.

The one on the left in that artwork has a bolt rifle so it seem pretty reasonable that the models will have access to them as well.

That looks more like a regular Boltgun to me.

Not sure why everyone is disliking the models, but to each his own. I like them.

Definitely interested in seeing a full kit for them.

~Eric

Hmm elite?

man this is confusing my codex complaint company.

the primarus already screwed it up for me now i got to figure out what slot these guys fit in :(

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

Spoiler:

Samurai wore demonic masks for exactly that reason..or so I've read..

EDIT: I'm also a bit torn. I am building my Primaris as Templars.. but figuring out if the Reivers should be Neophytes or if I should use actual scouts for that or what is kinda frustrating.

Depending on the rest of the rules, I might just take some gruesome looking Marines and stick them on bigger bases to represent them. Models aren't bad, but I would like everything to be in line for my project.

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

Hmm...that guy's pose reminds me of something...but I can't quite put my finger on it.

 RyanAvx wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

The Reivers seem cool as per their rules but I can't believe that even in the ART they can't get normal movement poses. Who are they hiring these days? 1st year art students without an education in anatomy? The dude on the right is fairly awful.

Hmm...that guy's pose reminds me of something...but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Spoiler:

Brother MoonMoon forgot how to marine.
Ah, every edition there's a dumb thing that GW introduces. Its pretty funny, actually.
Can't wait till we get the primaris dreadknight, 50% bigger than a normal dreadknight.

When did 'trash' become the adjective du jour? Even aside from the 'hey others might like them' factor it's needlessly hyperbolic. A simple "I don't like them" would suffice.

FWIW, I like them.

Bah, Krieg did the skull mask first, and better. Its a shame Grenadiers are (temporarily? I have my doubt) gone

A skull faced helmet is somehow trash compared to a Space Houndskull/Pigface Bascinet helmet on Future Magic Space Knight Monk Men?



Haha, hoookay.

 Kirasu wrote:
Scaring the enemy with cartoonish skull helms isn't part of modern (Or many ancient) psychological warfare tactics anyway. This is especially true when fighting against trained and organized military organizations in which ancient cultures generally did not have.

Um...what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikorps

https://alexanderandsonsrestorations.com/helmet-grinning-skull-short-history-danzig-police-helmet/

T

PS. And pirate flags...