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I don't like the helmets on those plasma guys, everyone else is sweet though.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Do you mean that they have changed pts cost from the Indices or they are ovecosted in the indices? If neither is true - its obviously a free upgrade

But either of those can easily be true, you're being silly. You could just as easily declare that acts of faith are not included in SoB point cost and are thus free. In any case, it is an utter fantasy that index point costs are some epitome of perfect fairness to begin with.

Regardless, this whining is getting tiresome. GW is literally publishing codices as fast as possible, I really don't understand what else you'd want them to do. Not publish codices at all?

IMO Its was big step forward with indices from 7th ed - and a step backward with thhe Codex, yep as previously stated - that would have been my preference - plenty of other ways to publish books and have new stuff - campaign packs, supplements that update ALL armies sadly its not going to happen - the Codex power creep style is bad for the game and means dull copy paste books in terms of background - I have enough old Marine Codex's to know thats the case.

Most armies saw points adjustments including Marines - right I understand now - you feel that Marines were undercosted and weak -fair enough thats also what alot of other players say about their own respective Army - especially Tau. You feel Sisters in particular are undercosted with AOF?

Please avoid the whole "whining" thing - Its a forum - I (and some others) who like me are also marne players are expressing our concerns about the new codex and the direction of travel with the rules. You are defending it - fair enough but lets not namecall ok?

 Mr Morden wrote:
IMO Its was big step forward with indices from 7th ed - and a step backward with thhe Codex, yep as previously stated - that would have been my preference - plenty of other ways to publish books and have new stuff - campaign packs, supplements that update ALL armies sadly its not going to happen - the Codex power creep style is bad for the game and means dull copy paste books in terms of background - I have enough old Marine Codex's to know thats the case.

Right. So you're upset that GW is releasing codices, exactly like they said that they would... Are you gonna complain it during the every codex release?

Most armies saw points adjustments including Marines - right I understand now - you feel that Marines were undercosted and weak -fair enough thats also what alot of other players say about their own respective Army - especially Tau. You feel Sisters in particular are undercosted with AOF?

I don't know whether something is under or overcosted, and neither do you. But that you arbitrarily decide that some things are somehow not included in the model's point costs and are thus 'free' is nonsensical.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I would love to know how you're getting 19 Primaris as being the closest in that promo shot.

Spoiler:

There's 5 Intercessors(they're in front of a 6 model Tactical Squad), a Lieutenant, the Ancient, Redemptor(this is being a bit generous really, since it's a vehicle not a Primaris proper), Chaplain, Apothecary, Librarian, 3 Aggressors, and 3 Inceptors.
That means 17 Primaris in the entirety of the promo shot.

I mistakenly did not zoom in enough to see the tactical and thought they were part of the intercessors. In front or beside them are three primaris characters, 10 primaris infantry, and the primarch. Again, back of the bus gak. It's inevitable and obvious that the new figs get the limelight/focus and only the most obstinate white knights would claim otherwise. They're on the cover and the clear majority of the foreground and the only ones that we know of getting new models but you think they're sharing the spotlight with classic marines?


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
A bit disappointed the Aggressors were't a more unique design vs the gravis captain, something more like the artwork from 2004 would have been better imho.

I was hoping for that as well. While I dislike how they've introduced the primaris into the setting, the models themselves have been nice overall. Those are just meh...

I noticed another upgrade in 8th so far as well is the white knights, they just we're not cutting it anymore and so have been replaced by Primarus Knights. Whiter than white and mind wiped to absolute un flinching devotion to the perfection that is 8th.


Seriously It's getting like the AoS threads any deviation from mindless devotion is not to be tollerated. It was my biggest worry when 8th was announced to have a base and lead from AoS that it would bring over the AoS players and there "community.

They make Warmahordes tournament players and scientology members seem rational. In fact it is less a community and more a cult.

Thankfully locally after lots of hype and people pre ordering once the game got actually played and the "rules looked at there was a glut of.cheap plastic and things are mostly back to normal.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
IMO Its was big step forward with indices from 7th ed - and a step backward with thhe Codex, yep as previously stated - that would have been my preference - plenty of other ways to publish books and have new stuff - campaign packs, supplements that update ALL armies sadly its not going to happen - the Codex power creep style is bad for the game and means dull copy paste books in terms of background - I have enough old Marine Codex's to know thats the case.

Right. So you're upset that GW is releasing codices, exactly like they said that they would... Are you gonna complain it during the every codex release?

Most armies saw points adjustments including Marines - right I understand now - you feel that Marines were undercosted and weak -fair enough thats also what alot of other players say about their own respective Army - especially Tau. You feel Sisters in particular are undercosted with AOF?

I don't know whether something is under or overcosted, and neither do you. But that you arbitrarily decide that some things are somehow not included in the model's point costs and are thus 'free' is nonsensical.

Probably yep, same as anything else that people don;t like - we all have the right to complain isn;t that a large part of the fourm? or people complaining about people complaining? We all knew GW were producing new Big marines - how many posts on this thread are about Marines being scrapped?

Points values are assigned to models in the indices - there is absolutely no support that I can see in any statement by GW or the Community pages for your contention that the Chapter Tactics and other bonuses were included in the indices cost - sureley the whole point of the indices was to give base line costs.

You obviously feel that without the CT and other bonuses Marines were overcosted? Thats the whole crux of your argument isn't it? That the CT and other bonuses are included in the Index cost and so only make sense with the CT and other bonuses.

Mine is the opposite, the Marine costs seem about right and so giving new abilities without a cost is a therefore free bonus - IF it had been my other non Marine armies getting the new post index bonus - I would feel the same.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
A bit disappointed the Aggressors were't a more unique design vs the gravis captain, something more like the artwork from 2004 would have been better imho.

Not disagreeing with you Tom but that old artwork was clearly the old marines. IDK what it is about the new kits, they are technically superbly done but for some reason they have ZERO character to me. The new marine kits remind me of Necron kits in that regard.

I agree with you on that, I think it is very expressly done so that the new Primaris are as baseline vanilla as possible, essentially adopting the original tac kit aesthetic but even more plain... 15-20 years on that may be a jarring reversion to plain style for some. Even plainer imo via a large de-grimdarking in terms of quantity of skulls etc. I am sure as chapter specific Primaris stuff is released we will start getting more ornate stuff. I have a feeling the baseline will remain relatively unadorned though relying on bits to bridge the gap as before. It's the smartest path forward in the long-run.

For the old artwork, absolutely they are old marines as you say, but I simply prefer the silhouette and location of hardpoints... the racks coming off the shoulders instead of the backpack/hood, and the larger underslung weaponry appeals more to me, as well as some of the 'devastator' leg detailing. I am not a huge fan of this 'every non-handheld gun needs to be attached to a powerfist' thing on foot troops. Being honest this looks dopey to me every time, making the powerfist look impossible to use in melee without insta-gibbing your gun, it just isn't placed in any kind of sensical spot for me. Smaller back of hand oriented weapons a la OG metal termis captain looks a lot better to me, though obviously the size is the issue there. In any case, I sure hope they don't continue that particular trend universally going forward!

They look interesting - I was kinda hoping for some duel pistol wielding or silencers / suppressors

I wonder when we get Primaris stats for Shadow War as these same made for that sort of combat?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Yes its Power creep over all other indices armies - I cna;t see how that can be denied

No - I agree we have not seen the other codexes but if they are similar then it risks being like 7th with the powerdexes and the Codexless for months or even longer.

Man, I love how we're crying about Codex Creep with the very first Codex of the new edition

 Mr Morden wrote:


They look interesting - I was kinda hoping for some duel pistol wielding or silencers / suppressors

There are probably more options in these kits than we are shown on the box cover. Those grav chute thingies on the backpack in a Reiver artwork in White Dwarf.

I really want the Reiver box for one reason and one reason alone.

That grappling hook guy. To hide him on scenery at a local table, posed as though he's swinging into battle with his knife ganking someone.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I really want the Reiver box for one reason and one reason alone.

That grappling hook guy. To hide him on scenery at a local table, posed as though he's swinging into battle with his knife ganking someone.

Sounds good - which Chapter - Raven Guard?

SeanDrake wrote:
I noticed another upgrade in 8th so far as well is the white knights, they just we're not cutting it anymore and so have been replaced by Primarus Knights. Whiter than white and mind wiped to absolute un flinching devotion to the perfection that is 8th.


Seriously It's getting like the AoS threads any deviation from mindless devotion is not to be tolerated. It was my biggest worry when 8th was announced to have a base and lead from AoS that it would bring over the AoS players and there "community.

They make Warmahordes tournament players and scientology members seem rational. In fact it is less a community and more a cult.

Thankfully locally after lots of hype and people pre ordering once the game got actually played and the "rules looked at there was a glut of.cheap plastic and things are mostly back to normal.

Firstly I play 40K, Heresy and WarmaHordes. Every community has there good members and the bad, but none can really be said to be a better bunch of players. Until the name calling comes into it for liking something, questioning and arguing from a different point of view somehow being a bad thing and no grey area's allowed. Much like you post here claiming that because some like how 8th looks, or the way AoS works, or WarmaHordes that we must be 'white knights' or some other supposedly derogatory term for us, when a few are just asking or pointing out that we don't agree with the near constant nay-saying and be-moaning of our hobby (I'm not speaking for others here, just myself).

They would not take much space on a sprue


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And I also think there will be fully helmeted heads in the kit (obviously)

Aggressors are wearing the same sort of armour as the Inceptors, so I imagine they are essentially Primaris Devastators. Really like the bolt fed guns and the missile packs.

I'll be getting some Reivers for sure, but I'm a bit disappointed that not a single guy on the box is wearing a full helmet. Hopefully it'll be an option in the box, but I'm doubting it.

I'll absolutely be getting that Chaplain too, such a great looking model.

Why shouldn't they? The easy-to-build kits have enclosed helmets

And good that mohawk heads are in the kit. Anything else would have been heresy

Chaplain does look cool, but footslogging chaplains are generally not the best use of the character. You want them forward with the assault units. So JP/DSing in TDA, in transports, etc. So as nice as he looks, tactically, I’ll probably pass.

Plus if they price him the same as the primaris lib/capt, that’s another major strike against him.

I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

Spoiler:

That raises as many, if not more questions than the drum/belt feed on the Aggressors...

Why does a grappling hook gun have a magazine?!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

Spoiler:

Did.... did that Spider-Man comic just rip the bolt pistol design?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

Spoiler:

Did.... did that Spider-Man comic just rip the bolt pistol design?

There's one of Venom ripping his way through a Hammerhead out there somewhere...

SeanDrake wrote:
I noticed another upgrade in 8th so far as well is the white knights, they just we're not cutting it anymore and so have been replaced by Primarus Knights. Whiter than white and mind wiped to absolute un flinching devotion to the perfection that is 8th.


Seriously It's getting like the AoS threads any deviation from mindless devotion is not to be tollerated. It was my biggest worry when 8th was announced to have a base and lead from AoS that it would bring over the AoS players and there "community.

They make Warmahordes tournament players and scientology members seem rational. In fact it is less a community and more a cult.

Thankfully locally after lots of hype and people pre ordering once the game got actually played and the "rules looked at there was a glut of.cheap plastic and things are mostly back to normal.

Pffffft, this coming from one of the many many MANY devoted black knights on this forum?

A more honest appraisal is "I can't spew infinite amounts of bile without getting a little bit of pushback anymore! How dare someone like something on the internet! Grr GW grrr!

I mean do you actually read these forums? Forcechoke alone is pumping out more anti-GW than there is pro-GW altogether.

Im gonna have to buy 3 of those Chaplains.

One as is,

another to re-make my custom Chaplain since I just can't look at mini marines the same way and it's killing me.

The last for an Immortan Joe head, since it's too good not to!

Chaplains are the spice of life.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

Spoiler:

That raises as many, if not more questions than the drum/belt feed on the Aggressors...

Why does a grappling hook gun have a magazine?!

Why do riflegrenade launching guns have magazines.

Probably works via the same action of a blank cartridge is inserted so that the gas pressure is used to shoot a grappling hook from a normal gun

Easy, Guilliman brought the grappling hooks with him through time and space from the 80s



I cant wait for the Redemptor siege ladder option and all the whin... pardon, rightfully calling it OP... thereafter

Cigar smoke effects, arent they still used in the latest books?

Crimson Fists getting a unique Warlord Trait, a unique Relic, and still getting to use Imperial Fists tactics has me happy. The Apothecary looks great. I can't say I will be using the Chaplain (never particularly liked them). Those plasma Inceptors (minus the goofy face guard) look great. Overall, I am pleased with what I am seeing so far. My wallet isn't, but I am.

Gravis armour is not Terminator armour right? Like the Agressors aren't Terminators are they? Really hope they do Primaris Termies in the future, we need walking tanks.

Terminators don't even look like Terminators next to new marines. It hurts the soul.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I can't imagine where GW got the idea for that grappling hook bolt pistol the Reivers have...

Spoiler:

That raises as many, if not more questions than the drum/belt feed on the Aggressors...

Why does a grappling hook gun have a magazine?!

The OSS tried to make dart gun pistols out of Colt 1911 semi-automatics, using only a barrel insert.
It never worked properly but if it did, it would have been nearly exactly such a beast, since the box magazine and feed system was unchanged.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Gravis armour is not Terminator armour right? Like the Agressors aren't Terminators are they? Really hope they do Primaris Termies in the future, we need walking tanks.

Terminators don't even look like Terminators next to new marines. It hurts the soul.

Gravis Armor gives +1 Toughness instead of 2+/5++ Sv. So it isn't quite Terminator Armor. Gravis Armor seems to be a lot better than Terminator Armor on anything with an Invulnerable.

Reivers look good but I hope they have real helmets.. it's bizarre a military organization would equip entire units with only skull face masks.

Also, if people think the space marine codex will fix any point issues from the index then I ask them how in the world that could be true? It's obvious both index and codex were created at the same time. They purposefully left out units to sell at a later date and there is absolutely no time in which they could have A) gathered player feedback and B) added it into a book that already was finalized prior to 8th Ed being released.