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Rynner wrote:
Any one got an tips for dealing with DE? I wound up taking all of them this weekend at ATC so my team mates didn't have to. They are really mean.

When I play against them, I use the Dom/Melta to take out any Ravager (which on it is that can run three dark lances)

DE also put out lots of fire power at half range and wound on 4+ always. Immolators are good, lots and lots of storm bolters. Get Celestine in hand to hand, what out for the wyches.... they can get nasty.

Ret squads with a Imagifer/Cannoness is good as well. It's the longest range we get.


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My question is, is there ANY way to make the Exorcist useful at all? Other than a cool paper weight. At 135 points... it just doesn't perform. Agreed, it is like the classic SoB model...but.

And speaking of SoB tanks... to model repressor or learn to use Immolators. 1) Will they be dropped 2) FW is not always allowed in events.

I would get repressors. Even if they get dropped its a cool model if you can find it

Which version did you come up against?

Rynner wrote:
Any one got an tips for dealing with DE? I wound up taking all of them this weekend at ATC so my team mates didn't have to. They are really mean.

SoB are one of the better counters to them as far as Power Army types go, try to make more bodies and less multi wounds, try to take as many HB's and SBs as you can, Vehicles are good, but i wouldnt take MM or HF versions, mass HB's will help a lot. DE have limited ways to kill vehicle "fast" they can kill them easily, but will take a turn a full shooting just to kill 1 or 2, Repressors might be best.

Depending on the list will depend on how you fight them, Venoms spam just shoot them as soon as you can and ignore the kabals, if they have Ravagers they will be more important to kill, if there is a lot of Grots try to still kill the Ravagers and move away from the Grots, make sure they dont get to you for 3 turns if not 4 (tho thats hard to do), if you must throw a Diagolos in there way as they are only melee units.

Celestine should be able to handle a couple vehicles for you or as least do good damage.

Good allies are Custodes Shield Caps on Daweagles.

Yeah I'm thinking I played a couple of those games wrong in retrospect.

 zaahul wrote:

Rynner wrote:
Any one got an tips for dealing with DE? I wound up taking all of them this weekend at ATC so my team mates didn't have to. They are really mean.

When I play against them, I use the Dom/Melta to take out any Ravager (which on it is that can run three dark lances)

DE also put out lots of fire power at half range and wound on 4+ always. Immolators are good, lots and lots of storm bolters. Get Celestine in hand to hand, what out for the wyches.... they can get nasty.

Ret squads with a Imagifer/Cannoness is good as well. It's the longest range we get.


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My question is, is there ANY way to make the Exorcist useful at all? Other than a cool paper weight. At 135 points... it just doesn't perform. Agreed, it is like the classic SoB model...but.

And speaking of SoB tanks... to model repressor or learn to use Immolators. 1) Will they be dropped 2) FW is not always allowed in events.

IMO Exorcist are still a bit over costed, i would rather their gun be H6 instead of D6, honestly i would just take a Stalker, its basically the same thing but for cheaper, vs a Rhino the Exorcist does 2.6 wounds where the Stalker does 2.67, so they are the same on averages but the stalker is cheaper and better vs <fly> and better vs lower toughness and Invuls of 4+ and yes they both are T8. The only problem is you need a SM HQ, but a Captain with the Relic (i think i might mix it up) so you can have Re-rolls.

Agreed they are overpriced. And H6 would be FAR better then D6.

We are 6 months out from new material... want to make the best use of what I have before everyone goes SoB crazy in 2019.

And trying to love my wallet.

at 135 pt I'd proxy a ret squad for better results. Or even a Dom squad on foot would be better.

My daughter fought Dark Eldar and lost twice and my observation from watching her games was that prioritizing was important. I know thats trite but its REALLY important. The disintegrator Ravagers were easily the scariest piece. Focusing them down was very productive in her second game and made a big difference. Those are probably a-1 on my list and a-2 is the transport w/ Lelith in it. Lelith is a butcher. So when she did that it dramatically changed the game for the better.

My daughter uses two exorcists had the luxury of being able to reach them even though they started intentionally out of her charge range round one. One other thing I picked up from that second game is that she shose to Vanguard up the field but would have been better served moving to cover and giving up some distance for smoke launchers and cover saves instead. While it is OFTEN better to play with maximum aggression... the hammer and anvil and vanguard zones do offer smart de players quite a lot of protection from the early volley and it leaves the sisters exposed. So it could well be that a more PATIENT approach to the game might yield better results against them.

For example, going first you may move to cover, pop smoke and hid firing exorcists only. You might even play the mouse and make him come to you, so that less of the clock is working against you. His 36" range is great but it means he must eventually get closer to handle the exorcists and right into the teeth of waiting seraphim, celestine, canoness torpedoes and so on. Doing less early and killing the ravagers could leave him with a lot less time than he wants to bring his force to bear.

 Amishprn86 wrote:


IMO Exorcist are still a bit over costed, i would rather their gun be H6 instead of D6, honestly i would just take a Stalker, its basically the same thing but for cheaper, vs a Rhino the Exorcist does 2.6 wounds where the Stalker does 2.67, so they are the same on averages but the stalker is cheaper and better vs <fly> and better vs lower toughness and Invuls of 4+ and yes they both are T8. The only problem is you need a SM HQ, but a Captain with the Relic (i think i might mix it up) so you can have Re-rolls.

Your math seems to be slightly off (or I'm missing something), the stalker should do 2 wounds and the Exorcist 3.1 on a normal Rhino. (stalker is str 7 so 4+ to wound, and normal rhinos don't get the 6+ invul so no saves vs ap4)

That aside I personally figure. That if the Exorcist was 95 points it would have the same per point damage output as a laspred (two Exors to one pred). But with more then twice the survivability. (t8 24w 6++) which would be fairly broken. Meaning the actual value of should be somewhere between 95 (borderline broken) and 135 (meh). So In my head I just pay 115 points for the Exorcist and 20 points for the Awesome model advantage it gives. (Which, since very few people i play are used to playing against sisters, translates nicely into a turn 1 fire magnet advantage)

Yeah it was off, i did it against a Raider, didnt mean to have it against a Rhino IDK why i typed Rhino.

I would want the Exorcist to stay 135pts but just be H6, if it went down it would just be spammed 3x every game and be a no brainer.


Edit: I think the Exorcist is better against a Rhino, but for the 25? pts you save thats a ML somewhere else that will make up the damage.

Since we were talking about immolator earlier, HF or HB option? I feel like the HB with H6 is a better more consistent option.

Even though HF always hits, 2D6 seems to varied. Any input on which are best to take for general game play

 zaahul wrote:
Since we were talking about immolator earlier, HF or HB option? I feel like the HB with H6 is a better more consistent option.
Even though HF always hits, 2D6 seems to varied. Any input on which are best to take for general game play

The immolation flamer is an assault weapon, so you can get around with it fairly quickly.

For heavy bolters there is little reason to not just sit them on retributors.

I find having a Twin Multi-Melta Immolator a great help in longer ranged S8.

It usually tags along with two Rhinos to dump out BSS squads and Canoness in mid field for a Dakka Distribution Depot.

I tried adding Hunter killer Missiles since Knights are looming around most of the battlefields I frequent. I keep them off of Repressors and Immolation Cannon Immolators since they should be adavancing and shooting assault weapons anyway.

 zaahul wrote:
Since we were talking about immolator earlier, HF or HB option? I feel like the HB with H6 is a better more consistent option.

Even though HF always hits, 2D6 seems to varied. Any input on which are best to take for general game play

I like HB's for a couple reason, but manly its cheaper, also has longer ranger, 36" compare to 12"

-1 to hit if you move and fire just puts me off HB and MM Immolators completely. It's a transport. No choice but flamers in my mind.

As of 8th the Heavy Flamer is no longer Assault....its Heavy.

Edit 1

OK why do I remember reading that it was changed to heavy....now im loosing my mind.

Edit 2

OK not crazy it is now Heavy....but the Immolator's is not a heavy flamer. The Repressors is.

 Rubenite wrote:
-1 to hit if you move and fire just puts me off HB and MM Immolators completely. It's a transport. No choice but flamers in my mind.

I use them as vanguard then they stay there as walls

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Rubenite wrote:
-1 to hit if you move and fire just puts me off HB and MM Immolators completely. It's a transport. No choice but flamers in my mind.

I use them as vanguard then they stay there as walls

I don't mind the -1 to hit. I figured constantly getting more dice rolls are better than the randomness of 2D6. MM are just waaaay too overpriced.

I never thought of using them as walls or blocks.

And I agree, Repressors. But I am planning on not having them once the Codex comes out. Unless we all get lucky and they are added in from FW.

You should actually "figure" it out with math rather than guessing, lol. ;-)

Edit: that seems more hostile than I intended lol, but I mean, there is an exact answer here.

If it doesn't move, 6 shots at BS3+ means an average of 4 hits
If it moves, 6 shots at effective BS4+ means an average of 3 hits

Meanwhile the Immolation Flamer averages 7 hits irrespective of whether it moved or not, or even if it advanced.

The only thing to consider is cost and range, but the Immolation Flamer is so much deadlier that and as a transport the Immo will be closer to the enemy, so I personally feel it's definitely the best choice. The decent overwatch is just a bonus.

Lanlaorn wrote:
You should actually "figure" it out with math rather than guessing, lol. ;-)

Edit: that seems more hostile than I intended lol, but I mean, there is an exact answer here.

If it doesn't move, 6 shots at BS3+ means an average of 4 hits
If it moves, 6 shots at effective BS4+ means an average of 3 hits

Meanwhile the Immolation Flamer averages 7 hits irrespective of whether it moved or not, or even if it advanced.

The only thing to consider is cost and range, but the Immolation Flamer is so much deadlier that and as a transport the Immo will be closer to the enemy, so I personally feel it's definitely the best choice. The decent overwatch is just a bonus.

Its also who and how you play, if you 12" gun is not in range until turn 3, does it matter anymore? 3 turns of shooting at BS 4+ will be better than 1 turn at 7hits, and they might just be dead turn 1 or 2.

So, I took a beating from Deathwatch this weekend, but it was a fluke... my opponent badly overplayed his Corvus Blackstar and I didn't ask to see the datasheet, just assumed it was the usual old stuff vs. new stuff gap.

He claimed -1 to hit for being a Hard to Hit flyer (legit) and an additional -1 for the Halo Launcher wargear (bogus) that should have only applied to other Fly units. Basically -2 to hit for my entire army, and I couldnt touch it. He played his Hurricane bolter as Rapid Fire 12 (it's RF6) and chewed up my infantry with 24 dice per turn. He treated his lascannons and rockets as BS3+, but the Corvus doesn't have Power of the Machine Spirit. He basically killed a tank and an infantry squad every turn while ignoring return fire.

So, it was a total junk game. I have to assume he just didnt know... it was a borrowed model and he was playing the army for only the second time. I'm bummed about my one game a month being a dud, especially since I had a solid list and played well. I feel like I should have had a nice underdog index v. codex win. Oh well. Rant over.

Other thoughts to pass along: Hammer and Anvil deployment (playing the length of the board rather than the width) sucks for Sisters. Basically no alpha or beta strike due to the extra depth of the deployment zones. I had Meltas disembarking for the first time in turn 4. It was the first time in a while I'd wished for Exorcists.

As for Deathwatch, frag cannons are brutal against T3. For that matter, a whole squad of shotguns firing their flame shells (d6 auto hits at S3 x 5 dudes) was pretty rough too. The extra range they get from special issue ammo means they hit you (or rapid fire you) before you can return the favor. Basically, his whole army hit me before I could hit him, had mad rerolls to hit and wound, wounded on 4s with shotguns, 3s with bolters, and 2s with frag cannons. Ouch.

Now, if he hadn't ruined me with a broken Corvus Blackstar, I think I'd have had the model count and the mobility to outscore him and maybe even wear him down. Hard to know for sure... I really try to lose graciously and forgive honest mistakes, but the entire game turned on his misplayed flyer and I'm not afraid to say it.

That said, it seems like Deathwatch is a tough matchup in terms of wargear and buffs. Is this an army other Sororitas players have struggled with?

 MacPhail wrote:
So, I took a beating from Deathwatch this weekend, but it was a fluke... my opponent badly overplayed his Corvus Blackstar and I didn't ask to see the datasheet, just assumed it was the usual old stuff vs. new stuff gap.

He claimed -1 to hit for being a Hard to Hit flyer (legit) and an additional -1 for the Halo Launcher wargear (bogus) that should have only applied to other Fly units. Basically -2 to hit for my entire army, and I couldnt touch it. He played his Hurricane bolter as Rapid Fire 12 (it's RF6) and chewed up my infantry with 24 dice per turn. He treated his lascannons and rockets as BS3+, but the Corvus doesn't have Power of the Machine Spirit. He basically killed a tank and an infantry squad every turn while ignoring return fire.

So, it was a total junk game. I have to assume he just didnt know... it was a borrowed model and he was playing the army for only the second time. I'm bummed about my one game a month being a dud, especially since I had a solid list and played well. I feel like I should have had a nice underdog index v. codex win. Oh well. Rant over.

Other thoughts to pass along: Hammer and Anvil deployment (playing the length of the board rather than the width) sucks for Sisters. Basically no alpha or beta strike due to the extra depth of the deployment zones. I had Meltas disembarking for the first time in turn 4. It was the first time in a while I'd wished for Exorcists.

As for Deathwatch, frag cannons are brutal against T3. For that matter, a whole squad of shotguns firing their flame shells (d6 auto hits at S3 x 5 dudes) was pretty rough too. The extra range they get from special issue ammo means they hit you (or rapid fire you) before you can return the favor. Basically, his whole army hit me before I could hit him, had mad rerolls to hit and wound, wounded on 4s with shotguns, 3s with bolters, and 2s with frag cannons. Ouch.

Now, if he hadn't ruined me with a broken Corvus Blackstar, I think I'd have had the model count and the mobility to outscore him and maybe even wear him down. Hard to know for sure... I really try to lose graciously and forgive honest mistakes, but the entire game turned on his misplayed flyer and I'm not afraid to say it.

That said, it seems like Deathwatch is a tough matchup in terms of wargear and buffs. Is this an army other Sororitas players have struggled with?

Step 1: Make sure he knows all of the things he played wrong to prevent future abuse.
Step 2: He buys you a beer.
Step 3: Rub some dirt in and walk it off. This is war, soldier.
Step 4: Enjoy beers 2-12.

 deviantduck wrote:

Step 1: Make sure he knows all of the things he played wrong to prevent future abuse.
Step 2: He buys you a beer.
Step 3: Rub some dirt in and walk it off. This is war, soldier.
Step 4: Enjoy beers 2-12.

Yep, we already traded emails... no harm, no foul. Thanks all, for letting me vent. Onwards for the Emperor!

anyone going to Gen-Con?

 deviantduck wrote:
anyone going to Gen-Con?

I was going to but after the garbage at ATC I just didn't have another GT in me so soon.

You going and playing sisters?

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
anyone going to Gen-Con?

I was going to but after the garbage at ATC I just didn't have another GT in me so soon.

You going and playing sisters?

Nope. Stupid wife is making me take her to stupid Iceland for a stupid honeymoon. I couldn't afford both.

 deviantduck wrote:

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
anyone going to Gen-Con?

I was going to but after the garbage at ATC I just didn't have another GT in me so soon.

You going and playing sisters?

Nope. Stupid wife is making me take her to stupid Iceland for a stupid honeymoon. I couldn't afford both.

Well not with that attitude!

 deviantduck wrote:

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
anyone going to Gen-Con?

I was going to but after the garbage at ATC I just didn't have another GT in me so soon.

You going and playing sisters?

Nope. Stupid wife is making me take her to stupid Iceland for a stupid honeymoon. I couldn't afford both.

I can understand choosing sex over a tournament, but this is a Grand Tournament.

phydaux wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
anyone going to Gen-Con?

I was going to but after the garbage at ATC I just didn't have another GT in me so soon.

You going and playing sisters?

Nope. Stupid wife is making me take her to stupid Iceland for a stupid honeymoon. I couldn't afford both.

I can understand choosing sex over a tournament, but this is a Grand Tournament.

Unicorns ARE sexy. To be fair, I'm going straight from a major here in STL to the airport for our trip, and I'll be spending our 1 year anniversary in Vegas at LVO. (1 year married, 13 years together)

In an actual game related note. Celestine failed to kill Eldrad last night in 4 rounds of assault while my relic cannoness stripped 15 wounds from a Wraithknight in two turns. Weird game... weird game..

Has anyone had any luck against Dominus class Knights yet? GenCorn was 25% IK. We have Siegeworld in STL coming up in a few weeks and I'm willing to bet it's going to be over 50% IK. Out of my group of 7 people, 5 are taking IK as primary.

How has everyone been faring in the new IK meta?