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phydaux wrote: "I think the molds are on the way out as on all three girls their noses were really badly cast"
"I've had sisters with visible seam alignment problems causing one of their shoulder pads to look cracked"
You know what would fix this problem? Plastic Sisters.
I am furious that GW came out with a whole new plastic unit of females in power armor, Sisters of Silence, and NOTHING for the Nuns With Guns. We've been around since Second Edition FFS!
Honestly, I'd have thought you'd be more annoyed that GW once again neglected Sisters in favour of making slightly bigger marines.
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the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
phydaux wrote: "I think the molds are on the way out as on all three girls their noses were really badly cast"
"I've had sisters with visible seam alignment problems causing one of their shoulder pads to look cracked"
You know what would fix this problem? Plastic Sisters.
I am furious that GW came out with a whole new plastic unit of females in power armor, Sisters of Silence, and NOTHING for the Nuns With Guns. We've been around since Second Edition FFS!
Honestly, I'd have thought you'd be more annoyed that GW once again neglected Sisters in favour of making slightly bigger marines.
That's a given.
I'm annoyed when anything Space Marine comes out, because I'd rather see literally-anything-but-space-marines for each release.
Also, I've had to deal with the misaligned molds with an Exorcist once. It happens.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
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phydaux wrote: You know what would fix this problem? Plastic Sisters.
I just bought up thirty three stormbolter girls for my Dominion squads. I don't want plastic Sisters models, not in the least and wouldn't buy any if they did make them. I have actually gotten to a decent level of proficiency in converting the old metal, and unless something truely bizarre comes in the Sisters codex (if.....) I don't see myself making whatever conversions are necessary to field a post dex (if.....) Sisters army.
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I actually bought most of them from players in my state who were looking to start Sisters back in the day. Did, didn't, or didn't want to go through the pain of expanding them. Stormbolters were never worth a darn until 8ed, I got lucky and got a decent chunk but had to absorb some other Sisters models I didn't need in the process. Stormbolters went into the cleaning process first, but now that they are ready to move on to painting. I am going to dunk the rest in a simple green bath. If they don't get gobbled up by the drill for my all helmeted Sisters project, they might get recycled once again.
On another note, I got some storm bolter girls direct from geedub and an close inspection was a little dissapointed. I think the molds are on the way out as on all three girls their noses were really badly cast with a hole from one side ti the other. I won't be returning them, I'll see it I can patch them up. But keep an eye out for similar problems if your buying direct.
Friend, you have won the lottery. Send photos to GW customer service and they will almost undoubtedly replace every last miniature with a new one and tell you to keep the defected ones.
However, plastic models means that more people can play Sisters. And if more players = less neglect. At least, in theory. Dark Eldar still manages to go for extremely prolonged periods of time without attention.
Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
"Dark Eldar still manages to go for extremely prolonged periods of time without attention."
Yeah, but aren't their basic models plastic?
I posted it before - Four sprue, two box sets. Plastic Sisters and plastic Seraphim. DONE.
I've decided I'm not spending a cent on 8th Ed., not even the main rule book, until the Sisters codex comes out. That won't be until AFTER December, but oh well.
If the Codex comes with plastic Sisters then I'll drop $800 o na new army without a second thought. No plastic Sisters but a good, competitive Codex, we'll see. If it's a crap Codex then I'll wait and see what 9th is like.
phydaux wrote: "Dark Eldar still manages to go for extremely prolonged periods of time without attention."
Yeah, but aren't their basic models plastic?
I posted it before - Four sprue, two box sets. Plastic Sisters and plastic Seraphim. DONE.
I've decided I'm not spending a cent on 8th Ed., not even the main rule book, until the Sisters codex comes out. That won't be until AFTER December, but oh well.
If the Codex comes with plastic Sisters then I'll drop $800 o na new army without a second thought. No plastic Sisters but a good, competitive Codex, we'll see. If it's a crap Codex then I'll wait and see what 9th is like.
If they got a four sprue update I can only imagine the din of upset players clamoring about a lost opportunity.
I think the point is that GW has made a full plastic revision of armies before and that does not exactly mean the army will suddenly become amazingly popular with outstanding updates and support. This isn't a slam on GW, but a lot of Sisters "updates" have actualy made things worse for the army. Units disappear, they get nerfed from not very good to awful, careful what you wish for. The Index list is actually quite good along with the FW index for the Repressor.
I don't think GW is very impressed with the "plastic SoB sooo hard" crowd, but who knows right?
Plastic Sisters would entirely be targeted at potential new players. We already 1: are willing to pay exorbitant prices for metal models and 2: have a fairly large amount of stuff. Those two conditions alone make it generally less worthwhile to release plastic kits with us as the target, especially considering that there's few of us out there. We are, at best, a secondary target for plastic kits.
Now, plastic kits are definitely good. Bringing new players into this army is a good thing, since we all benefit the more of us there are.
I'd just keep in mind that potential plastic kits wouldn't be for us. They're for the people who'd run Sisters as an allied detachment, or a small secondary force. We've already been relegated to "Imperial Agents" alongside the Astra Telepathica and Officio Assassinorium, and the terrible scaling behind Acts of Faith further points towards this intent. So does Saint Celestine, note how she benefits Imperial Guard as well, and in her Fall of Cadia statblock, could improve any Imperium unit. So I think plastic kits will come, and probably fairly soon, but I'd temper our enthusiasm.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
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I actually agree. We're cheap, with cheap & effective upgrades, and the Acts are all really cool. That's actually a BAD thing. The Indices were never intended to be anything other than a stop gap measure between the release of the Big Book and the release of the Codices. And that means anything that comes along in the new Sisters Codex can only be a nerf.
Melissia wrote: I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
For what it's worth, I am informed second hand that a release is coming and a codex is in playtesting. The full extent of the information I have been told is "it's coming soon, it's good, and [I] will be happy with it." I do know who the original source is, and while I'm not inclined to disbelieve his statement that there will be a codex soon, I'm also not inclined to trust his judgement on what's good.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
Melissia wrote: I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
Sisters in Terminator Armor.
Librarian Sisters
Sisters on Bikes
Sisters flying Speeders
Seriously, GW just needs to put me in charge of the Sisters line.
Melissia wrote: I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
For what it's worth, I am informed second hand that a release is coming and a codex is in playtesting. The full extent of the information I have been told is "it's coming soon, it's good, and [I] will be happy with it." I do know who the original source is, and while I'm not inclined to disbelieve his statement that there will be a codex soon, I'm also not inclined to trust his judgement on what's good.
It's coming, and it's going to be AWESOME.
He hasn't even ORDERED the pizza yet!
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I'd prefer something like a heavy armor similar to Gravis armor-- superheavy armor that provides more firepower and toughness-- over Terminator armor for Sisters.
And no librarians please. But we should get better Deny The Witch.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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I actually agree. We're cheap, with cheap & effective upgrades, and the Acts are all really cool. That's actually a BAD thing. The Indices were never intended to be anything other than a stop gap measure between the release of the Big Book and the release of the Codices. And that means anything that comes along in the new Sisters Codex can only be a nerf.
I don't think so, SM and Chaos points have gone down for quite a few of their units / weapons, in addition to the specific buffs each <chapter, etc> is getting. I would venture that Exorcists and melta weapons including inferno pistols go down in points, Seraphim flamers get a buff, and other prices stay relatively unchanged.
I also believe Sisters players will get a bone or two thrown at us in the form of a new unit or some plastic, but I seriously don't think there will be a total re-vamping of the line.
I sincerely hope you are kidding. I want absolutely none of those things and such a release would probably just fall flat amongst current Sisters players. I have no faith whatsoever that the "SoB soooo hard if they were plastic" players would stick around. Its not like they are an easy army to play amongst even a moderately competitive meta. Sisters players in general play them because they love the army, not because they win all the time. I don't think there is enough of a player base that has abstained from buying the metals who are still so devoted to the army that they will play them no matter how badly they do on the table top after such a release.
If someone thinks Sisters will be auto shows on lead tables after the Dex (if....) they don't know how GW enjoys seeing Sisters players prove their Faith in the big E.
Melissia wrote: I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
For what it's worth, I am informed second hand that a release is coming and a codex is in playtesting. The full extent of the information I have been told is "it's coming soon, it's good, and [I] will be happy with it." I do know who the original source is, and while I'm not inclined to disbelieve his statement that there will be a codex soon, I'm also not inclined to trust his judgement on what's good.
I struggle coming up with unit ideas that aren't just Sisters versions of existing units other armies already have. Beyond that, I don't really see the need for any new units that aren't just new to have something that is new. Sisters have a great list of units with some great ones and just a few stinkers that have gotten much better in 8ed.
I still wish that the Celestian Command Squad had been dropped in as the new Celestian squad. The current Celestian squad with bodyguard and access to wargear on every model would be very close to an auto take for me. Repentia could still be a bit cheaper in my opinion, or have some kind of feel no pain built in to make them more survivable. I've yet to run PenEngines in anything competitive, they seem pricey for what you get, but again, I'm not sure. All these are better in 8ed than the WD, Digi-dex, or Imperial Agents apart from the CCS which was just too expensive to foot the bill for wargear in 7ed.
Three codex versions that definitely came, we were told that we would be happy with, and in the end still never got us to the top tables. I find myself like you Lord Katherine questioning GW's version of good when it comes to Sisters.
I like the index list, stinkers aside, I just don't see it going too far from there. We still don't even know if it will be a Sisters dex or just another version of Imperial Agents do we? All I want is some Sororitas specific cards for Maelstrom missions.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: I'm half tempted just to do what petre (I think?) did, and just have a rhino with the raised Immolator bit and a heavy flamer with 2x storm bolters, and call it a repressor.
The stained-glass windows can pass as fire-points, and the fact that it's raised noticeably above the height of a rhino and looks different while lacking the turret of an immolator and also still having an IG dozer on the front would work, hm?
Don't forget the penitent psyker on the front to enhance the durability.
dracpanzer wrote: I struggle coming up with unit ideas that aren't just Sisters versions of existing units other armies already have.
Nihil sub sole novum.
That said, I have plenty of ideas-- I am nothing if not a font of creativity-- but I think wishlisting and tossing out ideas doesn't suit this thread.
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I sincerely hope you are kidding. I want absolutely none of those things and such a release would probably just fall flat amongst current Sisters players. I have no faith whatsoever that the "SoB soooo hard if they were plastic" players would stick around. Its not like they are an easy army to play amongst even a moderately competitive meta. Sisters players in general play them because they love the army, not because they win all the time. I don't think there is enough of a player base that has abstained from buying the metals who are still so devoted to the army that they will play them no matter how badly they do on the table top after such a release.
If someone thinks Sisters will be auto shows on lead tables after the Dex (if....) they don't know how GW enjoys seeing Sisters players prove their Faith in the big E.
Melissia wrote: I actually think they could do a big release of new plastic sisters, but they'd need to come up with a nice theme and some cool new units and weargears.
For what it's worth, I am informed second hand that a release is coming and a codex is in playtesting. The full extent of the information I have been told is "it's coming soon, it's good, and [I] will be happy with it." I do know who the original source is, and while I'm not inclined to disbelieve his statement that there will be a codex soon, I'm also not inclined to trust his judgement on what's good.
I struggle coming up with unit ideas that aren't just Sisters versions of existing units other armies already have. Beyond that, I don't really see the need for any new units that aren't just new to have something that is new. Sisters have a great list of units with some great ones and just a few stinkers that have gotten much better in 8ed.
I still wish that the Celestian Command Squad had been dropped in as the new Celestian squad. The current Celestian squad with bodyguard and access to wargear on every model would be very close to an auto take for me. Repentia could still be a bit cheaper in my opinion, or have some kind of feel no pain built in to make them more survivable. I've yet to run PenEngines in anything competitive, they seem pricey for what you get, but again, I'm not sure. All these are better in 8ed than the WD, Digi-dex, or Imperial Agents apart from the CCS which was just too expensive to foot the bill for wargear in 7ed.
Three codex versions that definitely came, we were told that we would be happy with, and in the end still never got us to the top tables. I find myself like you Lord Katherine questioning GW's version of good when it comes to Sisters.
I like the index list, stinkers aside, I just don't see it going too far from there. We still don't even know if it will be a Sisters dex or just another version of Imperial Agents do we? All I want is some Sororitas specific cards for Maelstrom missions.
I too am happy with what we have models-wise. I would like a FlaK gun, but 8e flyers aren't like last edition's, so I'm okay not having one. If you can think of something unique and in-character, cool, but I don't really want ported-in and gender-flipped Space Marine units.
Regarding Penitent Engines, I've had moderate success using one in league. In 5 games, it's killed 1 Land Raider, and act which also caused it to die because the Land Raider exploded. However, it's also absorbed considerable firepower, so that's Dominions that aren't dying. For cost, I'd probably rather have Dominions, but I also want to have the 3 damage attacks on hand if I have to fight 'crons.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
dracpanzer wrote: I struggle coming up with unit ideas that aren't just Sisters versions of existing units other armies already have.
Nihil sub sole novum.
That said, I have plenty of ideas-- I am nothing if not a font of creativity-- but I think wishlisting and tossing out ideas doesn't suit this thread.
Would it be alright for the thread to discuss where the sum of Sisters units fall short of any given tactical requirement, and from there possibly move on to discussing tactics for current units to use or even new unit ideas that might fill the gap?
I love Repentia who apart from Celestine and Ministorum units are supposed to be our close combat troops. Getting them into combat is usually quite the trick. With AoF not working on transports, and with them disrupting the Dominions vanguard move if you were to stick them in together. What options are there?
1. The Mistress is now a seperate unit, so on foot it would be difficult to use HotE to advance the entire Repentia/Mistress group before turn one and have the unit possibly assault turn two behind your Dominion rush.
2. Put them in a transport using an advance move turn one where they are easier to keep a Mistress with and possibly a priest for extra attacks or Imagifer for an extra AoF once they get stuck in, but still turn two at the earliest and probably if your Dominion rush has failed to nuke whatever was in front of it.
Give me a Sororitas rhino chasis that allows for disembark and assault after moving and I would gladly pay the current price for Repentia.
Currently I have been running my second Vanguard detachments Canoness in a vehicle with Celestians, Imagifer and three Repentia just to see how hard they hit. Celestians let the Canoness and Repentia go ahead and are around to absorb multi damage wounds to the Canoness. I have yet to have an opponent survive in the Dom rush area long enough for the Canoness and Repentia get stuck in.
So either they aren't worth taking at all, or they just need to be able to move faster.
But if so, the biggest sinner vis a vis equipment is Celestians. An assault unit with no assault gear. Not even BP+CCW. At the very least they should all be able to purchase power weapons and combi-weapons, but they can't. They're a unit in search of a purpose. Even their Bodyguard rule is both generic and useless, as we have no one that is worth protecting with such an expensive unit that actually needs protection to begin with.
Other than that, I wish Sisters had some better stuff to equip. GW has shown that you can have variations on bolt, melta, and flamer weaponry, so they should give us some love regarding that.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: I'm half tempted just to do what petre (I think?) did, and just have a rhino with the raised Immolator bit and a heavy flamer with 2x storm bolters, and call it a repressor.
The stained-glass windows can pass as fire-points, and the fact that it's raised noticeably above the height of a rhino and looks different while lacking the turret of an immolator and also still having an IG dozer on the front would work, hm?
Don't forget the penitent psyker on the front to enhance the durability.
I don't have any. Does that ruin it?
No, but you need something else to make it different if you go my route.
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Melissia wrote: I think wishlisting and tossing out ideas doesn't suit this thread.
I agree. Take it to a wishlist thread.
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I'd like to discuss Celestians and the Canoness and why I think they are actually pretty decent.
Let's start with the Canoness. At just 45 points, she's one of the cheapest HQs in 8th ed, a game where you take 'HQ tax'. For that, you get:
- some very impressive stats - 2+ 2+ 3 3 5 4 9 3+
- 4++ Invulnerable save. She's not going anywhere easily.
- Awesome buff ability that helps almost everyone from Rets to Repentia.
- Seriously good supercharging Plasma platform. Extremely minimal risk of killing herself.
- At least three solid build options - Eviscerator beatstick, dakkaness or all-rounder (combi-weapon + power-weapon).
Yes the Eviscerator is sorely overpriced, especially next to the astartes' shiny new 12pt Power Fist. But it's still a potent vessel of destruction and in my games, some of the most fun moments have been tearing foes asunder with it. The humble Canoness will be oft underestimated by your opponent - on the off chance they can shoot at her they won't allocate enough to get through 5W and 4++. In combat they'll underestimate the damage she can deal. Or they'll be forced to overreach to remove her. And looking at the other Imperial HQs I would say she must be one of the most efficient for her points cost.
Which is great news for us, as unless you're running Sisters+friends you'll be taking two of them in a 2k list to head up your non-Celestine detachments. And this is where Celestians come in.
I see others describe them as 'as close combat unit without any close combat weapons', but I disagree. I believe they are best played as the new Sororitas Command Squad - not a close combat unit but a group of 'Sisters+1' who support and are supported by your Canoness(es) and Priests. For just 2ppm more than a humble Sister, you get +1WS, +1A, +1Ld, and the ability to take wounds for nearby <ORDER>characters.
Unless you're running blob-sisters (good luck ) the leadership buff is meh. But the other three really start to come alive when you run a unit of Celestians alongside 1-2 Canoness (expensive models you can take wounds for in a pinch, and who give you a reroll buff), a Priest (who gives everyone +1A), and an Adeptus Ministorum close combat unit (such as Arcos or DCA, who will be your main CC strike).
When fielded alongside these units, the Celestian Superior with a Power Axe becomes an unbelievably good 15pt model. 3 attacks base, +1 for priest and +1 for chainsword attack. That's as many attacks as a Canoness. Each other model will add 2+1 WS3+ attacks to the fray which will soon add up. Celestians are arguably the only unit in the index that can usefully benefit from both the Canoness' AND priest's buffs at the same time.
The bodyguard ability is incredibly situational for shooting but really comes alive in close combat where the Canoness is easily targeted by opponents in melee. Even just sacrificing a single Celestian to stop her losing her final wound can leave your 60-80pt model on the board to dish out another round of attacks and buffs.
Yes they won't hit as hard as Repentia or a Ministorum CC unit, but what you get instead is a more resilient unit (3+ save) that still hits well (with the superior hitting hard) but also is capable of some great buffed shooting along with special and heavy weapon access and a situationally awesome ability for a very respectable 11ppm. Alongside an all-round Canoness the unit is a great jack-of-all-trades. You'll have better, dedicated choices for CC and shooting, but the Celestians are flexiable but formidable IMO.
In my 2k list I have the following 'Command Squad' spread across two flamer Immolators:
IMMO 1
Canoness with Combi-Plasma and Power Axe
5 Celestians - Superior with Power Axe/Plasma Pistol/Chainsword, one sister with a Heavy Flamer
IMMO 2
Canoness with Eviscerator and Plasma Pistol
Priest with Bolt Pistol and Power Axe
2 Death Cult Assassins
When these units charge at the same target, I'm looking at a whopping 41 attacks, all with some kind of reroll, from the following:
13 x WS3+ (rerolling 1s) S3 D1 attacks from the Celestians (+superior chainsword)
4 x WS3+ (rerolling 1s) S4 AP-2 D1 attacks from the Celestian Superior
5 x WS2+ (rerolling 1s) S4 AP-2 D1 attacks from the Canoness
4 x WS4+ (rerolling all) S4 AP-2 D1 attacks from the Priest
10 x WS3+ (rerolling all) S4 AP-2 D1 attacks from the DCA 5x WS2+ (-1 to hit, rerolling 1s) S6 AP-4 D-D3 attacks from the Canoness
Also the groups inside each Immolator are each a capable force in their own right, not to mention reducing 5 deployment drops to 2. If I don't want to charge them all at the same thing, I'll drop the combi-plasma Canoness and Celestians off near the front lines to support the Dominions, Seraphim and whoever else is up at the front lines.
In conclusion, I believe that a small unit of Celestians is a great choice if you're running two Canoness and Priest, as there is a very good synergy between them where they each benefit from each other to form a formidable force that's both fun and fluffy.
Rubenite wrote: I'd like to discuss Celestians and the Canoness and why I think they are actually pretty decent.
I know a lot of players have dismissed the notion of a Canoness and Imagifer being a help to a Dominion rush, but loaded up like you suggest they are able to help after turn one. The Canoness buff, Celestian squad close by to soak wounds especially when they are multiple damage attacks. The Imagifer for extra AoF and whatever else you like thrown into an Immolator or two should provide some decent forward support as well as help cut down your drops in a bid for first turn.
It will be interesting to see if a dex (if....) does some nice things to our wargear costs. I like your ideas and have been continuing to experiment with the Canoness + Celestian combo.
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