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That's nice, but how does your canoness keep up after the Vanguard move?
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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I played several weeks ago with a list that didn't do as well as I had liked, so Ive changed the list around to optimize those elements that did well and still provide synergy to the rest of the force-
It seems to me to be an effective TAC list, any suggestions or ideas welcome.
Troops
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
Fast Attack
5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 8 Seraphim- 2 with dual Inferno Pistols
Heavy Support
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
Basic strategy is:
Doms and Seraphim with Celestine charge forward in mutual support, taking advantage of Celestine's Beacon of Faith buff.
MSU Sisters (30) with combiplasma Canoness and 3 Astropaths push forward in support of the Celestine group.
Heavies set up a fire base with the Canoness reroll 1s buff.
Totals:
4 Immolators with Flamer
81 Sisters
3 Astropaths
16 Heavy Bolters
14 meltaguns
4 Inferno Pistols
14 stormbolters
5 combiplasmas
bolters and laspistols
It's nice to have 12 Command Points in the list. I think the list provides enough melta to deal with armor and high-T models, as well as enough dakka between the heavy bolters / Immolation Flamers / mass bolters to deal with hordes. The Astropaths can shut down some Psyker attempts, and Celestine can be a one-woman wrecking machine.
Thoughts?
Is there any way people can think of for Sisters to mitigate morale issues? I know MSU is the style right now, and now that the maximum unit size is 15 instead of 20 they are less blobby than they used to be anyways, but the idea of running big squads still appeals to me (making more efficient use of Acts of Faith is one bonus). But the morale issue is pretty bad - in a regular Sisters squad you need to kill 3 to make them have a chance to fail, being Ld8 with the superior.
That means that a good portion of a 15 girl squad will flee rather than dying to bullets as the game goes on. I am not certain how to mitigate this issue.
An Inquisitor can push it to 5 casualties, but doesn't do much else, isn't "pure sisters", and only does it in a small aura. In 7e Priests in the blobs would make them fight to the last but not anymore.
Jancoran wrote: Vanguard move is given to the rhino if they are in it. So the canoness can go with them.
Not if the canoness is in it too, apparently.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Is there any way people can think of for Sisters to mitigate morale issues?
For pure Sisters, a Dialogous lets you reroll morale checks within 6" of her, She is 15 points, so fairly cheap, but she won't be adding to your firepower; she's a four-wound sister superior whose attacks in th fight phase count as S4 but otherwise has no weapon.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Dialogus' reroll is probably your best bet, paired with the inquisitor you can be reasonably assured the squad will hold together unless they are on the verge of being wiped out in one volley.
She sure can. She also happens to have a LD10 bubble and is a very strong source of Deny the Witch. She makes a pretty solid accompaniment to a Sisters squad on foot.
Melissia wrote: That's nice, but how does your canoness keep up after the Vanguard move?
Vanguard move is given to the rhino if they are in it. So the canoness can go with them.
Canoness blocks the vanguard move.
That's the problem with Imagifiers and Canonesses, and really all special characters.
As for morale, I haven't had a whole lot of morale problems. There aren't usually enough losses to cause major morale problems, or the squad has ceased to exist anyway.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
Melissia wrote: That's nice, but how does your canoness keep up after the Vanguard move?
Have only tested it once. But the Canoness and her Celestians are intending to advance turn one in their Immolator up behind the Dom rush. Should put them in a spot to drop out if needed on turn rwo and start doing what they do.
May not be necessary depending on your Dominions alpha strike. But getting the Canoness close enough to put out her re-roll bubble, an additional chance at an AoF and consolidating a lot of drops into the Immolator or Repressor helps with first turn.
Celestine with a max Seraphim squad and a boatload of Doms is the way forward for sure. But if you are stacking up formations you have to do something to keep your drops down.
May as well try and get something out of it besides just another model hanging out with your Retributors. Still in the experimenting phase.
WRT drop reduction for Canonesses and Rets, I was thinking of just up and buying each Retributor team a Immolation Flamer Immolator, or perhaps a Repressor.
I'm not sure which. The Rets could stay inside the Repressor, but the Repressor won't be able to reach with its guns, and the Canoness is going to have to get out of it to buff them anyway. A Repressor is, however, cheaper than an Immolator. The rets would jump from the Immolator, along with the Canoness, into a nice piece of cover on turn 1, and the Immolator would take off to join the Dominions on the frontline. A Repressor wouldn't inflict them with the -1 to hit penalty on turn 1 since they can shoot out of it without it moving, but it's also relegated to being a platform for an H-K missile.
I played several weeks ago with a list that didn't do as well as I had liked, so Ive changed the list around to optimize those elements that did well and still provide synergy to the rest of the force-
It seems to me to be an effective TAC list, any suggestions or ideas welcome.
Troops
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
5 BSS, Meltagun and Stormbolter
Fast Attack
5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 5 Doms- 2 MG, 2 SB, combiplasma, Immolator w Flamer and SB 8 Seraphim- 2 with dual Inferno Pistols
Heavy Support
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters
Basic strategy is:
Doms and Seraphim with Celestine charge forward in mutual support, taking advantage of Celestine's Beacon of Faith buff.
MSU Sisters (30) with combiplasma Canoness and 3 Astropaths push forward in support of the Celestine group.
Heavies set up a fire base with the Canoness reroll 1s buff.
Totals:
4 Immolators with Flamer
81 Sisters
3 Astropaths
16 Heavy Bolters
14 meltaguns
4 Inferno Pistols
14 stormbolters
5 combiplasmas
bolters and laspistols
It's nice to have 12 Command Points in the list. I think the list provides enough melta to deal with armor and high-T models, as well as enough dakka between the heavy bolters / Immolation Flamers / mass bolters to deal with hordes. The Astropaths can shut down some Psyker attempts, and Celestine can be a one-woman wrecking machine.
Thoughts?
Damn, 21 drops is a lot of drops. I have 9, and I consider it too many!
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
davidgr33n wrote: I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
Pretty much all of their stock is in fluctuation right now.
The speculation says that it is probably one (or both) of these things: Increased demand from a new edition and/or Reboxing models to include rules.
davidgr33n wrote: I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
I bought 10 HB sisters within 3 minutes of getting the email this time. Lots of demand right now.
davidgr33n wrote: I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
I bought 10 HB sisters within 3 minutes of getting the email this time. Lots of demand right now.
davidgr33n wrote: I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
Pretty much all of their stock is in fluctuation right now.
The speculation says that it is probably one (or both) of these things: Increased demand from a new edition and/or Reboxing models to include rules.
Ok, that's good to know, I hadn't noticed this was happening for all of the other factions as well.
davidgr33n wrote: I hate to ask this on this thread, but I noticed that GW had inventory in stock on Thursday for some Sisters models I wanted (specifically stormbolters and heavy bolters), then when I went to order them this morning (Friday) they were out of stock again. Also, I had checked on Wednesday and they hadn't been in stock on that day either, so the stock was up for just a day, if that.
Is this normal for GW with regards to Sisters? If so, how long might it be before they get them in stock again? I appreciate the feedback.
Yes.
Typically it's a few months to go back in stock, but they might re-stock them faster. I'm not sure.
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deviantduck wrote: Well, I ordered an imagifer and a hospitaler on June 3rd and today i got a sororitas command squad. I'll chalk it up as a win.
Nicely done!
Was on the other side of the state today and dropped into a Warhammer store. Brought a 6 squad Dom (4 sb squads, 2 mg squads in 4 Repressors) with Celestine and 10 seraphim with uriah, imagifer, mistress and 7 repentia in the fifth repressor, PenEngine backing up the hb retributors in the 6th Repressor with an Imagifer on the flank. Opponent had Raven Guard with all Primaris characters and what looked like the starter box of primaris with a bunch of RGdevs and tacs in 3 rhinos. Might have been more than the starter, not sure. We played the kill point mission.
9 drops to his 11 or 12. Celestine and Seraphim AoF up to keep in line with the Doms. Opted to keep two SB Dom squads riding shotgun with melta Doms loaded up turn one and just shot what was close. Got first blood and took out three 5 strong squads of primaris and most of a dev squad turn one shooting. Celestine charged in and finished the remainder of a 10 strong riever(?) squad off.
His turn one he killed one Repressor but it took nearly every bit of shooting he had. Lost two Doms getting out. He charged the remainder. Along with hitting the Seraphim with a squad of bp/ccw reg marines and a Chaplain. His assaults were getting re-roll 1's on hit and wounds. Rhino assaulted Celestine. Lost two Doms but kept both of the bailed squads in tact. Seraphim failed just enough saves to wipe them out. Celestine took a wound but came within one wound of killing the rhino. RG player was happy she was tied up with nobody to pile into.
AoF at start of my turn to kill the rhino and free her up to cause some more havoc. Retributors and PenEngine wiped out a squad of primaris with grappling hooks(?). Dominions wiped out everything remaining on his left. Repentia with Uriah, Mistress and Imagifer disembarked at start of turn two and charged the marines in hth with the bailed Doms. Wiped them out easily. Celestine charged the reg bp/ccw marines and Chaplain, re-rolled her one miss and she wounded on all her attacks. Chaplain survived but his squad didn't.
RG player called it after the top of turn two, he had his Chaplain, two other Primaris characters, a rhino and one five man Dev squad left. Not sure on his list, I have yet to open my SM dex and I have no intention of getting Primaris for my own Raven Guard. Opponent did ask me if my list was casual or semi competitive. I told him they were about as competitive as I could make them with about 400 points of "lets try this out" (the Repentia, Uriah, Mistress and the PenEngine) thrown in. Don't think anyone there expected to see Sisters come out swnging like they do.
Yeah, a lot of people don't expect us to play as we do.
The whole "all my things Vanguard forward, and Celestine move 24"" thing really does surprise people, but they sort of shrug it off, then the sheer weight of firepower hits them.
Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
The whole "all my things Vanguard forward, and Celestine move 24"" thing really does surprise people, but they sort of shrug it off, then the sheer weight of firepower hits them.
At this point I find that you do really have to try very hard to stifle the maniacal laugh.
Now, witness the firepower of these fully armed and operational Battle Sisters!
uriah, imagifer, mistress and 7 repentia in the fifth repressor
Worth noting that the Repressor can only transport <ORDER> infantry, whereas the Rhino and Immolator carry <ADEPTUS MINISTORUM>, meaning that unfortunately Uriah isn't allowed in there. But that loadout in a Rhino is a-ok!
Oddly enough, it means that the Hospitaler and Dialogus can't be transported in a Repressor either, as they hail from their own respective Ordos and do not have the <ORDER> keyword.
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Unfortunately I do not think that you can. There was a similar situation where guard players wanted to give their officers the <MILITARUM AUXILLA> keyword so they could give orders to Ogryns etc., but the Index: Imperium 2 FAQ said that you couldn't do this.
Also, <HOSPITALLER> and <DIALOGUS> are unit keywords, not faction keywords (like <ORDER> is), so you really can't do this.
I've asked Forgeworld but I think they should consider restricting it to <ADEPTA SORORITAS> instead of <ORDER>, but if we ever get 'chapter tactics' then this could become an issue.
uriah, imagifer, mistress and 7 repentia in the fifth repressor
Worth noting that the Repressor can only transport <ORDER> infantry, whereas the Rhino and Immolator carry <ADEPTUS MINISTORUM>, meaning that unfortunately Uriah isn't allowed in there. But that loadout in a Rhino is a-ok!
Oddly enough, it means that the Hospitaler and Dialogus can't be transported in a Repressor either, as they hail from their own respective Ordos and do not have the <ORDER> keyword.
Thanks for pointing that out, hadn't occured to me when I was making my list up at the club. I'm happy at least that my mistake really had no effect on the final result. It does open up the door for wargear on a Canoness to go in Uriah's place with that list. Usually I stay away from more than just the cheapest wargear on characters.
No worries - good write-up and very satisfying to read!
I've posted this over in YMDC, but the wording of the 'Firing Ports' ability on the Repressor seems to suggest there could possibly be NO restrictions placed upon the embarked unit firing out. Read the rule very carefully and compare to say the Land Speed Storm or something with the 'Open-topped' ability.
It could potentially mean that units embarked in a Repressor can:
- Fire normally even if the Repressor advances (not just assault weapons, and no -1 to hit penalty for them either)
- Fire normally even if the Repressor falls back
- Fire normally even if there are enemies within 1" of the Repressor, not just pistols and not restricted to shooting the unit that is within 1".
What do you guys think? Seems OP and unfriendly but I'm struggling to get a clear alternative interpretation. The 'Open-topped' ability expressly states that any modifiers or restrictions that apply to the vehicle also apply to its embarked passengers, but no such statement is included in the Repressor's ability. Only the Heavy Weapon -1 to hit when moving is expressly mentioned. This is the same for the Baneblade variants that have Firing Decks.
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It's perfectly legit and that's what I did at many events (big or small). I wouldn't be surprised if it gets nerfed sometimes along the way, but right now it's pretty strong and I'm happy about it =)
I had my first game this weekend with my foot sisters.
I hope my list is right:
1000Pts
Celestine with both geminae
Canoness
30 sisters with as many storm bolters as possible (in 3 squads of 10)
5 sisters with melta/combi-melta (in a Melta-Immolator)
5 seraphim
Imagifier
The game went very well. I played Dark Eldar, and the Wall 'O Bullets that the 30 sisters had was more than enough. Celestine booped their warlord, but it was really the ridiculous number of shots that they put out.
I most used my 2.5 acts of faith on movement to get the girls forwards / in position.
Rubenite wrote: No worries - good write-up and very satisfying to read!
I've posted this over in YMDC, but the wording of the 'Firing Ports' ability on the Repressor seems to suggest there could possibly be NO restrictions placed upon the embarked unit firing out. Read the rule very carefully and compare to say the Land Speed Storm or something with the 'Open-topped' ability.
It could potentially mean that units embarked in a Repressor can:
- Fire normally even if the Repressor advances (not just assault weapons, and no -1 to hit penalty for them either)
- Fire normally even if the Repressor falls back
- Fire normally even if there are enemies within 1" of the Repressor, not just pistols and not restricted to shooting the unit that is within 1".
What do you guys think? Seems OP and unfriendly but I'm struggling to get a clear alternative interpretation. The 'Open-topped' ability expressly states that any modifiers or restrictions that apply to the vehicle also apply to its embarked passengers, but no such statement is included in the Repressor's ability. Only the Heavy Weapon -1 to hit when moving is expressly mentioned. This is the same for the Baneblade variants that have Firing Decks.
That's how I've been playing it as well. There are no rule contradictions.
