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I was just thinking about units assaulting from deep strike.

Now units that deep strike must be 9" away from an enemy model. I keep seeing people refer to a 9" charge and that'll you'll fail your charge more than pass but given that your charge only needs to reach within 1" of the target unit this means you only need an 8" charge right? So a 50/50 chance?

Have I just misread something?

You must deploye more than 9" away.

So if you roll an 8, you'll be more than 1" away.

Ah right gotcha that's mildly annoying

It makes it tougher.

Lemartes does allow a reroll though

aye various things to help you out

khorne dudes get icon of wrath for example to re-roll charges

There are also several powers like Warptime and Swarmlord's ability that allow a second move in the Psychic/Shooting phase. These both allow you to almost guarantee a charge following deepstrike, but are limited to one use per turn. This is one of the reasons that Genestealers in a Trygon tunnel are so terrifying in this edition!

Lemartes for BA because whiles it's not perfect reroll charge bubble more than double's the success rate

Aye, as yet there's nothing to help me get none death company blood angels units into combat though is there?

Wartime does not work i'm afraid.

The reserve rules say a unit that arrives cannot move anyfurther in its turn.

Warptime allows you to move as if it were your movement phase

because you arrived from reserve you cannot move any further in your movement phase

you can cast it, they just cant actually move (useful for harness the warp i guess)

 Latro_ wrote:
Wartime does not work i'm afraid. The reserve rules say a unit that arrives cannot move anyfurther in its turn.

Sorry, I'm totally not convinced that this is the right interpretation. Of course a unit arriving from reserves is deployed at the end of the movement phase and the rules explicitly prohibits the deployed unit to move or advance any further in that phase (it is explicitly stated that the movement is taken up by deploying onto the battlefield). The unit is said to act as normal during the rest of the turn.

The rules do however not forbid any further moving in that turn. The unit is explicitly allowed to charge (and thus pile in); both actions require the unit to move.

The Warptime psychic power is resolved in the psychic phase. It allows the unit to move 'as if' it was the movement phase, but the actual movement takes place in the psychic phase. The Warptime power doesn't involve returning to the previous movement phase, where movement would be prohibited. The psychic power makes no mention of units arriving from reserves and doesn't prohibit the use of this power on such units.

Given these rules I see no reason why Warptime wouldn't allow for a unit arriving from reserves to make a move; I'd say it is a vary valid way of using Warptime.

Cilithan

 fatbudda319 wrote:
Aye, as yet there's nothing to help me get none death company blood angels units into combat though is there?

Command points can help for a single squad.

 Cilithan wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Wartime does not work i'm afraid. The reserve rules say a unit that arrives cannot move anyfurther in its turn.

Sorry, I'm totally not convinced that this is the right interpretation. Of course a unit arriving from reserves is deployed at the end of the movement phase and the rules explicitly prohibits the deployed unit to move or advance any further in that phase (it is explicitly stated that the movement is taken up by deploying onto the battlefield). The unit is said to act as normal during the rest of the turn.

The rules do however not forbid any further moving in that turn. The unit is explicitly allowed to charge (and thus pile in); both actions require the unit to move.

The Warptime psychic power is resolved in the psychic phase. It allows the unit to move 'as if' it was the movement phase, but the actual movement takes place in the psychic phase. The Warptime power doesn't involve returning to the previous movement phase, where movement would be prohibited. The psychic power makes no mention of units arriving from reserves and doesn't prohibit the use of this power on such units.

Given these rules I see no reason why Warptime wouldn't allow for a unit arriving from reserves to make a move; I'd say it is a vary valid way of using Warptime.

Cilithan

Only read the rules last night, but I'm sure it specifically states that when moving on from reserves, you can't move or advance in any phase.

Do double check that though. I may be thinking of a different clarification.

Units arriving from reserves cannot move or advance further that turn (Not phase)

It says turn

no phase or all phases.

 Cilithan wrote:


The Warptime psychic power is resolved in the psychic phase. It allows the unit to move 'as if' it was the movement phase, but the actual movement takes place in the psychic phase. The Warptime power doesn't involve returning to the previous movement phase, where movement would be prohibited. The psychic power makes no mention of units arriving from reserves and doesn't prohibit the use of this power on such units.

Not 'THE' movement phase it specifically says 'ITS' movement phase as in the unit you are casting it on.
The unit you are casting on in this turn used all of its movement phase to deepstrike

you could actually argue you could use warp time then immediately re-deploy the unit via deep strike again XD... not that i'd be much use, perhaps some use if psy powers did shenanigans to warrant a redeploy.

LOL that'd be quite funny sorcerer in termi armour deep strikes, smites something then casts wartime on him self and deep strikes again across the board in cover Ninja Vanish

I was right. My wording wasn't :p

Expressly allows Charging though.

You can use a command dice to reroll one of the dice.

If you are playing daemons, they get +1 inch to their charge for many units. That gives pretty good odds of making it in.