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There will be lots of people with at least some Targaryrian ancestors - they came over with an entire army and conquerors usually change the genetic makeup of a population.

Certainly noble families married Targaryians and hence have the bloodline.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Oh no. See, we know that John Snow is Dark of hair. As was Robert Baratheon, who very much loved John's Mum. And as Ned Stark, discovered to his cost - The Seed Is Strong.

As was Lyanna Stark. That was essentially the whole plot of the first book; that for a kid to have blonde hair, both of their parents had to have a family history of blonde hair. Lyanna's dark hair would mean any children she has are still pretty likely to have dark hair since its expressed as the dominant trait.

Saw the second episode. Bit late, I know.



Decent episode overall I guess.

Wasn't there another Ironborn uncle in the books? Who got like a burning hand?

Victarion has seemingly been written out of the TV show.

 djones520 wrote:
Victarion has seemingly been written out of the TV show.

That's unfortunate. I liked him. Unnecessary, but I liked him.
The series already has way too many characters. That thing about yet another Targ that got away was silly. The Lannisters are really bad at murdering entire bloodlines, it seems.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Am I the only one who's happy the Sand Snakes are dead? I found them insufferable and full of cringe worthy dialogue. Not to mention that whole "murder your reasonable uncle and an innocent girl thing, just to copy what he was about to do in the books to begin with!" thing.
I really hated that plot point in the series. It felt meaningless.

Nope I mentioned it as a good point - although the surviivng girl snake and her mother might wish they were dead by the time the mad queen is finsihed with them.....

Tyrion was quite restrained considering it was his niece they poisioned - but he did have little choice.

I got the impression they thought that they would be cool characters but to me they just appeared childish and badly scripted and with poor fight co-oridination and I really like sexy fighter girls!

Victarion has seemingly been written out of the TV show.

Thanks the Gods

 Ouze wrote:
Theon Greyjoy has left the game was one of the more lol moments in a good episode.

I loled at first too, and then I thought about it and it made me a little sad that I found it funny.

Theon is seriously fethed up. The physical and psychological torture he endured at the hands of Ramsay is unlike anything any other character on this show has experienced. In a show full of mentally unwell characters (seriously, almost everyone on this show has metal issues), he is by far the most damaged.

Euron and the carnage around made him shut down. He just snapped and couldn't handle it.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Theon Greyjoy has left the game was one of the more lol moments in a good episode.

I loled at first too, and then I thought about it and it made me a little sad that I found it funny.

Theon is seriously fethed up. The physical and psychological torture he endured at the hands of Ramsay is unlike anything any other character on this show has experienced. In a show full of mentally unwell characters (seriously, almost everyone on this show has metal issues), he is by far that damaged.

Euron and the carnage around made him shut down. He just snapped and couldn't handle it.

Yeah, that moment was probably the best part of the episode, because of how tragic it is. Just when you thought things were finally getting good for him, just when you'd think that he was going to become a hero and reclaim his status, his past wounds got opened at the worst possible time and he loses everything again. Of course he's going to run; he's not going to let himself be butchered or tortured and humilated again.
Theon has to be the unluckiest character in the series, and with the Stark family's history that's saying something.

On the flip side though, that's also what any reasonable person would do in that sort of situation. I mean, everyone's dead, his insane uncle's goons are mutilating the dead and the living and he has his sister hostage. The most logical course of action would be to leave and try to create a plan of attack.

Maybe that makes him the new king of the Ironborn Targaryean loyalists as well.
Probably not though.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Theon Greyjoy has left the game was one of the more lol moments in a good episode.

I loled at first too, and then I thought about it and it made me a little sad that I found it funny.

Theon is seriously fethed up. The physical and psychological torture he endured at the hands of Ramsay is unlike anything any other character on this show has experienced. In a show full of mentally unwell characters (seriously, almost everyone on this show has metal issues), he is by far that damaged.

Euron and the carnage around made him shut down. He just snapped and couldn't handle it.

Indeed - I am glad that the show was brave enough to show that you don't just shrug that sort of thing off. He could see that Euron taking him captive could put him right back in Hell. He ran - very human.

Bad luck Theon...

Well that way his sister is (relativly) safe for the moment.
If he stayed they both would have been tortured / killed / worse.

Jon made the right call but sad he won`t see Arya. :(
Btw the Arya scenes were one of the best in this two episodes.

 Grotrebel wrote:
Bad luck Theon...

Well that way his sister is (relativly) safe for the moment.
If he stayed they both would have been tortured / killed / worse.

Jon made the right call but sad he won`t see Arya. :(
Btw the Arya scenes were one of the best in this two episodes.

Did he though? I mean, wouldn't it have been better to find neutral ground, instead of going to the queen in person? That's like, diplomacy 101 when dealing with an unknown party. Or send an emissary, which was suggested but shot down with a good reason.
I mean, she wants him to bend the knee, which was not mentioned in Tyrion's letter.
I think Jon, the King of the North is going to have a nasty surprise when he meets Danny.
Or maybe he'll propose, I don't know.

Littlefinger is totally going to take advantage of his absence though, all the more reason to not go.
As plot points go that its not the most illogical and is understandable considering Jon's character and inexperience with politics. I just find it unwise from an observer's perspective.

Yeah, the reunion with Nymeria was a nice touch.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I think Jon, the King of the North is going to have a nasty surprise when he meets Danny.

I expect him to get torched by one of the dragons.

 LunarSol wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I think Jon, the King of the North is going to have a nasty surprise when he meets Danny.

I expect him to get torched by one of the dragons.

Dragons out hunting see a rowing boat and have a hot buffet whilst Mom is not looking.

That would be hilarious but unlikely at best

 LunarSol wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I think Jon, the King of the North is going to have a nasty surprise when he meets Danny.

I expect him to get torched by one of the dragons.

Given the Targaryen resistances to flames, all that'd do is mean we'd have to see Kit Harrington's wiener.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:On the flip side though, that's also what any reasonable person would do in that sort of situation. I mean, everyone's dead, his insane uncle's goons are mutilating the dead and the living and he has his sister hostage.

I don't know where it was mentioned (reddit?) but apparently TV Euron has some traits of book Euron and books Victarion (I need to re-read the books at some point). And the mutilation (cutting out tongues) is about the crew of Euron's ship (the SIlence) in the books (that has a mute crew). Those sailors/raiders will probably be given the choice of serving on his ship or getting killed.

Is Theon going to be the new Gendry? Endlessly floating in the ocean on that piece of flotsam for Season after Season...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is Theon going to be the new Gendry? Endlessly floating in the ocean on that piece of flotsam for Season after Season...

No, Gendry is going to row up to him and bring him back to Dragonstone.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is Theon going to be the new Gendry? Endlessly floating in the ocean on that piece of flotsam for Season after Season...

I forgot Gendry was a thing.
He just...vanished. Like Ghost.
Did Ghost die? I don't remember Ghost dying. He's usually not far from Jon.

Ghost is one of the two surviving Dire Wolves. They just try and avoid paying for the special effects whenever he's not important to the scene.

Between both the possibility of being a secret Targarian and him having been resurrected by the Lord of Light, it would be really interesting to see Danny have a dragon torch Jon and him not be burned by it. I'd love to see all the reactions to that.

We already know Jon doesn't share Dany's resistance to heat, his hand gets burned grabbing the oil lamp in the first season and it takes a few weeks for it to heal

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
We already know Jon doesn't share Dany's resistance to heat, his hand gets burned grabbing the oil lamp in the first season and it takes a few weeks for it to heal

might be because he is a half breed.

 AduroT wrote:
Between both the possibility of being a secret Targarian and him having been resurrected by the Lord of Light, it would be really interesting to see Danny have a dragon torch Jon and him not be burned by it. I'd love to see all the reactions to that.

As others have noted fire burns him.

She would just watch him burn to ashes and likely say the same words as she did with her brother - "he was no Dragon" I always assumed that Jon was more tied to Ice and her to Fire.

What if Jon was the prince who was promised and he's supposed to kill Khalisi?

 Necros wrote:
What if Jon was the prince who was promised and he's supposed to kill Khalisi?

What if the prophecy is just a plot device and only has meaning when the script writters need it.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Necros wrote:
What if Jon was the prince who was promised and he's supposed to kill Khalisi?

What if the prophecy is just a plot device and only has meaning when the script writters need it.

The whole story is a plot device... and the Prince Who Was Promised has been a pretty big part of it, even in the books.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Theon Greyjoy has left the game was one of the more lol moments in a good episode.

I loled at first too, and then I thought about it and it made me a little sad that I found it funny.

Theon is seriously fethed up. The physical and psychological torture he endured at the hands of Ramsay is unlike anything any other character on this show has experienced. In a show full of mentally unwell characters (seriously, almost everyone on this show has metal issues), he is by far that damaged.

Euron and the carnage around made him shut down. He just snapped and couldn't handle it.

Yes some of the 'Theon Greyjoy has left the game' memes were pretty funny.

Although in reality what could he do? If he had rushed at Euron, it would have ended with his sister dead.

Just have to feel a bit sorry for the unluckiest guy alive in Westeros.

I think that the most recent episode was really good. Euron is fantastic, definitely my new favourite character since they killed off Roos Bolten.

I know they won't kill off Daenerys because she is George R R Martin's wet dream, but I wish they would. It seems too much of a forgone conclusion that she will eventually win in the end.
I can see the Hollywood ending now, with her raising an American flag over the iron throne and giving a rendition of land of the free whilst everyone stuffs their faces with McDonald's haha :-P

 Kroem wrote:
I think that the most recent episode was really good. Euron is fantastic, definitely my new favourite character since they killed off Roos Bolten.

I know they won't kill off Daenerys because she is George R R Martin's wet dream, but I wish they would. It seems too much of a forgone conclusion that she will eventually win in the end.
I can see the Hollywood ending now, with her raising an American flag over the iron throne and giving a rendition of land of the free whilst everyone stuffs their faces with McDonald's haha :-P

Not so much in the books - he went out of is way in the most recent ones to make her weak, inefectiual, needy whils introducing new Targaryians to potentially replace her - well in twenty books time when he actually gets on with the plot. Sam and Jon are more his truely beloved - as is Tryion but thats understandable!

Jon Snow - every time he loses a battle someone is there with the cavalry - literaly both Stanis and Littlefinger/Sansa rescused victory form certain defeat. You can't kill him. He is the King of the North, maybe the Prince that was promised, A Targaryian, etc etc

Dany is pro-freedom (but as long as they bend the knee to her and presumably her descendants - although that issue has not arisen yet - but it should - she will need to marry and bear children (or choose a heir - hello Jon I bet) or prepare the way for civil war when she dies) for all.

She is not the USA in any meaningful way.

It looks like it will be the humans vs the undead with Jon and Dany forced to unite to face them.

Euron is fun and they needed him to make the war last.

In reality Dany should just have turned up at Kings Landing - proclaimed herself Queen and that all who joined her would eb safe, any who serve the "mad Queen" would burn - and then done it. Short term - quite a few people die but much less that will now. Being nice is not going to win the war. It will win the Peace but you have to win the war first.

That's interesting that she is different in the books, all I meant by the Hollywood ending is that it is too predictable and the same as a lot of other endings. Not that she was literally captainess America!
The series was at its best with things like Ned dying and the red wedding which were unusual and shocking so I hope they have some more twists up their sleeves.