We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?

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**mrhappyface**

XTheWaffen wrote:
Well while orks seem to be not that great overall, some people are having a blast with them.

https://tidesofdestruction.blogspot.com/2017/06/episode-24-in-future-orks-dont-suck-in.html

this fellow dakka member has gone like 13-0 with horde orks.

No he isn't, last week I read his bat rep of him losing to Crons.

**Gamgee**

An ork player came in second place at a 100 man 2 day tournament.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/731383.page

**XTheWaffen**

ah my bad he is currently 9-1 with orks. My point was that orks can be played effectively/competitively. Also if I remember correctly an ork list placed 2nd at a decently sized tournament in the UK.

**Gamgee**

I just posted that. I think your referring to the Caledonian Revolution where the ork took second place. There is more information about it on their facebook page where thye break down who made it into each round ect. Coincidentally Tau took a major hit in attendance and the few who did show up with the cheesiest of 8th list were regularly getting tabled turn 3.

I hate to be so down on the Tau since I love the faction and lore, but I want them to be balanced like everyone else is fairly. Some overpowered things like space marine flyer spam need to be toned down for sure.

It feels like I've been beating this drum for three years to no effect. Now instead of asking for everything to be balanced equally and Tau be brought down to normal levels I'm asking them to be brought up.

**phydaux**

ross-128 wrote:
Well from the looks of things, Space Marine players (and to some extent, GW themselves) seem to have some expectations for Space Marines that are... difficult to meet.

1: Named chapters are generally expected to be defined by advantages over generic Marines, disadvantages to offset these differences are... discouraged.

2: Space Marine players want generic Space Marines to be on the strong end of the power curve. Which would in some ways be understandable, everyone wants to be above average (the mathematics of that aside) except for how it conflicts with #1.

3: Space Marines fight other Space Marines more often than other factions, due to their large share of the player base. While you might expect this to push them toward a 50/50 win rate, this falls apart when you consider #1 and #2: generic Space Marines lose to named Space Marines.

4: Space Marine players are most attached to old, long-standing model lines that form the core identity of the faction. Tactical marines, devastators, terminators, Rhinos, Predators. This would be fine, except...

5: GW wants to constantly crank out new Marine models, and wants people to buy all the latest shiny stuff. So Space Marine power creep tends to be more concentrated in their newest models that the players are reluctant to field. Other factions power creep too, but their power creep is better distributed between old and new models, because new model releases for other factions are relatively rare.

#1-3 together means that generic Space Marine win rates will be suppressed no matter how good Space Marines as a whole become, because they will mostly be fighting either other generic Space Marines, or named Space Marines that are better than them.

#4-5 means that a tournament player willing to go for the newest models, and put victory before faction identity can reliably win tournaments by chasing the latest releases. Meanwhile, the more typical Marine player who is trying to field the archetypical Marine force is left behind as GW introduces new models instead of reworking old models. This results in the Space Marines being a strong faction... unless you play them the way most people expect Space Marines to play.

In a way, they're victims of their own posterboy status.

This post outlines in perfect & succinct detail why I hate GW.

**gatebuster202**

This Week,

CSM and Crons vs Admech and Sisters - Sisters/Admech took it
CSM vs Sisters - Sisters took it
CSM vs Guard - Guard ate my breakfast, my lunch and quite possibly my dinner with their stupid leman russ. (No mobility and jerk parked it in the back corner and threw massive battle cannon shots at me)

So, my CSMs(technically, all Thousand Sons.) Lost three to AM/Sisters and Admech.

**ssisal**

my games so far this edition

Imperial guard + Knight Gallant vs fallen+ space wolves = Fallen/Wolves 2 Win Guard/knight 2 wins.

dark angel vs space wolves 4 wins DA 3 wins SW.

DA vs Fallen 5 wins da 7 win fallen

DA + Knight vs Fallen + Space wolf = 3 da/knight win 1 fallen/wolf win.

DA vs Ork 0 da win, 2 ork wins.

Space wolves vs Primaris Ultramarine = 1 space wolf win

**jhnbrg**

XTheWaffen wrote:
Well while orks seem to be not that great overall, some people are having a blast with them.

https://tidesofdestruction.blogspot.com/2017/06/episode-24-in-future-orks-dont-suck-in.html

this fellow dakka member has gone like 13-0 with horde orks.

Grey plastic...

**roflmajog**

Eldar vs Orks - 1 Eldar win, 0 losses
Eldar vs Tyranids - 1 Eldar win, 0 losses
Eldar vs daemons - 1 Eldar win, 0 losses, 1 draw
Orks vs daemons - 1 Ork win, 0 losses

The draw was actually the closest game I have ever played, at the end of the game we both had the same number of kill points and neither of us had any units on the table. (He killed my last tank in combat with his last squad and I blew up in his face.)

Also there was a 1v2 game of eldar vs Dark Eldar and Tyranids not sure if you want to count that one but eldar lost anyway.

**KthuluQball**

3 games in this weekend, all 2000 points, all tryhard lists:
Dark Eldar vs Tyranids - Nids win
Dark Eladr vs Space Wolves - DE win
Dark Eldar vs Black Templars - DE win

**LordSomnium**

DE v. Nids W
DE v. Chaos W
DE v. Chaos D
DE v. Chaos W
DE v. Blood angels W

I feel like there was another victory for the DE v. Chaos in there but I can't remember where.

**Kingsley**

Vanilla Marines beat Chaos Marines
Orks beat Eldar

**Mr Morden**

Played last week:

1000pts Dark Eldar defeated Guard - won final turn on objective held. Both still had plenty of models.

**Frozocrone**

Sad to see Orks aren't doing great.

We had a free for all between Ynarri, Eldar, SM and Orks.

Tempted to say Eldar won (either). My Orks got tabled.

Granted I made some huge tactical blunders but I still feel the -1 to hit modifiers harder than the other three armies on the table, not to mention there seem to be a lack of rerolls without using CP that I feel like I'm playing the NPC army again.

**Draco765**

Local 8 person 1500pts 3 round Maelstrom tournament Event points (3,2,1) for win/tie/lose, maelstrom points as tie breakers

What was there:

Guilliman + SM tanks
Renegade + Bloodthirster + Chaos SM
Khorne World Eater Chaos (Berzerkers in Rhinos, CSM Prince, flesh hounds, bloodletters, Herald on Juggernaught) (this was my list)
Craftworld Eldar (Fire Prism/Wave serpent, small bike squads, farseer on Bike)
Necron (Tesla Spam Immortals, Wraiths, Catacomb tomb Lord)
3 Knights
White Scars (Khan + Bikers + 4 Rhinos with Grav mix)
Death Guard (Dark Imperium + a Helbrute)

Some notes from the day:
Guilliman + SM tanks dropped middle of round two. He won game one, but My Khorne World Eater Chaos on turn two had all his heavy hitters locked in combat and Guilliman about to be swarmed by two big units of Berzerkers. He was not looking very well and left.

3 Knight dropped before Round two. Due to poor maelstrom card missions, he gained no Maelstrom point in game one and could not table his opponent for at least an Event score win, he decided to not continue to play that day.

Renegade + Bloodthirster + Chaos SM got 1st.

My Khorne World Eater Chaos and the Craftworld Eldar tied for second/third.

**djones520**

Eldar v Astra Militarum - Eldar Loss
Eldar V Traitor Knights (w/ Magnus) - Eldar Loss
Eldar V Death Guard - Eldar Win

**Howscat**

Just played in a local ITC tournament.
1st place: Tyranids (Genestealer Spam)
2nd place: Chaos Space Marines (Nurgle)
3rd place: Militarum Tempestus (IG Allies)

**koooaei**

2 games today.
Orks vs Necrons
2 wins go to orks

However, the cron player did some positioning mistakes allowing orks turn 2 multicharges. And i fielded ~90 boyz in a 1k pt game.

**FirePainter**

Played tau vs Dark Eldar. Tau victory although I will put a good portion of that to seizing first turn and killing 2 raiders and about half a 20 kabalite squad on my first turn.

Witches are nasty not letting units fall back.

**Alpharius Walks**

Imperial Guard defeats Orks

Even two turn one assaults were not enough to secure victory. I believe my opponent did enjoy going first without having to seize the initiative though.

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

Team game Astra and necrons versus blood angels and grey knights. Necrons/guard victory
Tyranids versus eldar, Tyranids win
Tyranids versus sisters of battle, draw.

**Crimson Devil**

jhnbrg wrote:
XTheWaffen wrote:
Well while orks seem to be not that great overall, some people are having a blast with them.

https://tidesofdestruction.blogspot.com/2017/06/episode-24-in-future-orks-dont-suck-in.html

this fellow dakka member has gone like 13-0 with horde orks.

Grey plastic...

By the Emperor you're dreary. You could suck the joy out of an orgasm.

**Arachnofiend**

SM vs CSM - CSM win

SM vs CSM - SM win
SM vs SOB - SM win
CSM vs SOB - SOB win

The first game the SM player is someone who has been jumping around to a few different armies, the other two are our group's real Space Marine player. I'm the CSM player in all instances (technically Thousand Sons).

After the latest string of crushing victories our SM player has sworn off Azrael's Parking Lot as being too good and not fun for anyone involved. She's an Iron Hands player who has just been playing with Azrael due to the lack of any real rules for her chapter, so she'll be very excited for the return of chapter tactics I'm sure.

**Spoletta**

Arachnofiend wrote:
SM vs CSM - CSM win

SM vs CSM - SM win
SM vs SOB - SM win
CSM vs SOB - SOB win

The first game the SM player is someone who has been jumping around to a few different armies, the other two are our group's real Space Marine player. I'm the CSM player in all instances (technically Thousand Sons).

After the latest string of crushing victories our SM player has sworn off Azrael's Parking Lot as being too good and not fun for anyone involved. She's an Iron Hands player who has just been playing with Azrael due to the lack of any real rules for her chapter, so she'll be very excited for the return of chapter tactics I'm sure.

I'm confused. Those 2 wins were with an Azrael list? Wouldn't that be a DA list?

**Klowny**

Necron Vs. Orks - necrons win

**ectoplastic**

2 games so far :

Orks vs Drukhari. Orks win.
Orks vs Tau. Orks win.

**DeffDred**

I've been using Iron Warriors.

Undefeated so far. I've played against Tyranids, Tau and Ultramarines.

1 game against Tau, 1 against Tyranids, 3 against Marines.

**Drager**

Some more statistical analysis. The score is the number of armies that the named army is statistically better than. Negative means they are statistically worse than that number of armies.

I am using a p-value 0.005 cutoff for significance and have excluded armies with less than 20 games.

**Arachnofiend**

Spoletta wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
SM vs CSM - CSM win

SM vs CSM - SM win
SM vs SOB - SM win
CSM vs SOB - SOB win

The first game the SM player is someone who has been jumping around to a few different armies, the other two are our group's real Space Marine player. I'm the CSM player in all instances (technically Thousand Sons).

After the latest string of crushing victories our SM player has sworn off Azrael's Parking Lot as being too good and not fun for anyone involved. She's an Iron Hands player who has just been playing with Azrael due to the lack of any real rules for her chapter, so she'll be very excited for the return of chapter tactics I'm sure.

I'm confused. Those 2 wins were with an Azrael list? Wouldn't that be a DA list?

That is correct; she's been doing "counts as" Dark Angels because there are no rules for Iron Hands.

**Clay_Puppington**

Ad Mech vs Imp Guard - Imp Guard Win
Ad Mech vs Orkz - Orkz win.