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Tau vs Death Guard - DG win
Tau vs Dark Angels - DA win
Tau vs Dark Angels - Tau Win

Seems like the Tau suffer under unit loss way harder since it tends to correspond with enemy units getting in charge range, resulting in anything without fly losing purpose.

had a game on the weekend.
Sisters v Daemonds - Sisters win

Rockfish wrote:
Tau vs Death Guard - DG win
Tau vs Dark Angels - DA win
Tau vs Dark Angels - Tau Win

Seems like the Tau suffer under unit loss way harder since it tends to correspond with enemy units getting in charge range, resulting in anything without fly losing purpose.

I've been saying that for weeks before launch that Tau are lunch. We got nothing this edition. The data supports my case and it's only growing by the day. Where is the evidence that Tau are doing fine? Show me dakka.

 Gamgee wrote:

Rockfish wrote:
Tau vs Death Guard - DG win
Tau vs Dark Angels - DA win
Tau vs Dark Angels - Tau Win

Seems like the Tau suffer under unit loss way harder since it tends to correspond with enemy units getting in charge range, resulting in anything without fly losing purpose.

I've been saying that for weeks before launch that Tau are lunch. We got nothing this edition. The data supports my case and it's only growing by the day. Where is the evidence that Tau are doing fine? Show me dakka.

So every Tau player is obviously using optimized 8th lists? I'm not saying I know what that would be as I have not tried I don't play Tau. But more than many other armies what was good for Tau in 7th got hit hard, and if people are still working with those models they are going to struggle.


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As for results thus far mine are

Orks V Ad Mech - Orks win
Orks V Dark Angels - Orks win
Orks V Space Wolves - Orks lose

Updated.

Also added the games I played/saw today,
Two doubles games (4000pts per team):
World Eaters (Myself) + World Eaters VS Necrons + Imperial Knights
Double WE win.
Imperial Guard + Imperial Guard VS Orks + Eldar
Double IG win.

I then played one of the winning IG players afterwards and beat him.

I've only had time to get three games in so far.

AM vs Eldar : AM loss
AM vs Eldar : AM loss
AM vs GK : GK loss

I think this new edition has been difficult for me to wrap my head around. I think I'm starting to get the hang of it though now.

The orks are coming back, now at 41% win rate. Almost all armies with a lot of games are within +/- 10 % of 50/50. IG is a little warm at 65%. Still not bad, all things considered.

For the orks, I'm suspecting some of the games were from people who haven't played their orks in a long time and weren't used to the shenanigans we had to play in 7th. Presumably they now know that boyz are back. 40% and climbing is good enough.

People must have really been complaining hard to GW about Tau. I should know, I was one of them.

But oy.

Ouch..i just got almost tabled by 20 hellblasters with captain at 1000 pts... i ran world eaters with zerkers and daemon prince + bikers... hellblaster is truly a deadly weapon. Also, never seen so many 1s in along time

So WE vs Vanilla marines - Vanilla wins!

Stat updates! Still using a <0.005 cutoff for significance and with some new entries this time, as we now have some more armies at >20 games. World Eaters have really made a splash.

Deer Lawd, the Tau have been taking it up the ass as of late.

Anyways, here's the customary W/L ratio, of any army with 30 or more games. For inclusion's sake.

 mrhappyface wrote:

1) Astra Militarium - 1.854
2) Thousand Sons - 1.750
3) Dark Eldar - 1.700
4) Space Wolves - 1.524
5) Grey Knights - 1.250
6) Eldar - 1.200
7) Tyranids - 1.028
8) Necrons - 0.889
9) Dark Angels - 0.800
10) Ad mech - 0.778
11) Space Marines - 0.724
12) Chaos Space Marines - 0.721
13) Orks - 0.694
14) Blood Angels - 0.652
15) Tau - 0.425

I should probably add that as a column in the table Selym. Will do next time.

Dark Eldar vs Ynnari: Win
Dark Eldar vs Necrons: Win
Dark Eldar vs Marines: Win
Dark Eldar vs Grey Knights: Loss
Dark Eldar vs Dark Angels: Win
Dark Eldar vs Tau: Win
Dark Eldar vs Adeptus Militarum: Win
Dark Eldar vs Eldar: Win

Drager wrote:
Stat updates! Still using a <0.005 cutoff for significance and with some new entries this time, as we now have some more armies at >20 games. World Eaters have really made a splash.

You forgot Sisters.

Adeptus Sororitas - 15W 4L

Sisters only have 19 games. They'll probably be in next time if someone adds a sisters game. Someone like me. Who will be adding one soon.

To be fair, people are playing Tau like they did in 7th.

Every game people drop stuff minimum distance away from my heavy assault army expecting to shoot 1000+ points off of the table in 1 turn.

Basically the big difference between 7th and 8th is that I get to fight back. They're not used to me fighting back.

 Marmatag wrote:
To be fair, people are playing Tau like they did in 7th.

Every game people drop stuff minimum distance away from my heavy assault army expecting to shoot 1000+ points off of the table in 1 turn.

Aye, the very first game of 8th ed I watched was between a Tau player and a GSC player; the Tau player deployed far too far forward, didn't kill enough in his shooting and got swamped by a genestealer horde. Think some of the Tau players around here learned from their first encounters because I see them deploying further and further back.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
To be fair, people are playing Tau like they did in 7th.

Every game people drop stuff minimum distance away from my heavy assault army expecting to shoot 1000+ points off of the table in 1 turn.

Aye, the very first game of 8th ed I watched was between a Tau player and a GSC player; the Tau player deployed far too far forward, didn't kill enough in his shooting and got swamped by a genestealer horde. Think some of the Tau players around here learned from their first encounters because I see them deploying further and further back.

Making the gunline even more of a gunline. I wished GW had developed Tau the other way.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
To be fair, people are playing Tau like they did in 7th.

Every game people drop stuff minimum distance away from my heavy assault army expecting to shoot 1000+ points off of the table in 1 turn.

Aye, the very first game of 8th ed I watched was between a Tau player and a GSC player; the Tau player deployed far too far forward, didn't kill enough in his shooting and got swamped by a genestealer horde. Think some of the Tau players around here learned from their first encounters because I see them deploying further and further back.

Making the gunline even more of a gunline. I wished GW had developed Tau the other way.

Well look at AM.

Although being able to shoot anywhere on the board without LOS, and with no penalty, is a pretty big deal.

Played in a 30+ tournament over the weekend:

BA vs harlequins: BA WIN
BA vs Thousand Sons: DRAW
BA vs IG: BA WIN

Not surprised Thousand Sons is doing well, but surprised we're statistically doing THAT well. Maybe we're benefiting from the increase in horde armies? The best thing about our stuff other than survivability is the ability to rip through MEQ's and GEQ's with inferno boltguns, so we might almost be a counter army to conscript spam and such. My personal meta has a lot more tanks and superheavies in it which is harder to deal with in an army barred from taking Havocs.

Are World Eaters winning so much due to Super Heavies or just local metas not ready for Berzerkers ripping through their units wholesale? I'm having a bitch of a time making mine work as well as everyone else it seems.

NO idea about World Eaters, but I've seen a few 1KSons armies with Chaos Preds and Contemptors backing up Rubrics or Scarab Occults. The Scarab Occults seem really good and the vehicles backing them takes care of the weaknesses they have. I played against a list that was something like:

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour
Exalted Sorcerer

5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer

Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Contemptor, 2x Chainclaw and Soulburner

It was a lot of fun to play against. The duel Soulburners where a pain in the arse, but all the terminators in my face meant I couldn't deal with it straight away.

have played about... 5 full games with a clear winner
orks vs Eldar (Eldar win)
orks vs Eldar (Eldar win)
orks vs Eldar (Orks win)
orks vs Eldar (Orks STOMP)
game orks vs tau (Tau win)

 Gamgee wrote:

I've been saying that for weeks before launch that Tau are lunch. We got nothing this edition. The data supports my case and it's only growing by the day. Where is the evidence that Tau are doing fine? Show me dakka.

I never played Tau in 7th ed. I played in 6th and have come back to 40k here in 8th. I have to say Tau works nothing like it did in 6th. Back then I worked damn hard to avoid getting assaulted. If i succeeded I won, otherwise I usually lost. Here in 8th its virtually impossible to avoid getting assaulted, but I'm a lot more likely to survive. If the assaulted unit has fly I just fall back and shoot. If I don't have fly I fall back and let every other nearby unit shoot. Rinse and repeat mass overwatch.

Anyway so far I'm undefeated as Tau . Note most of my games were pre-FAQ where drones got a pretty hard nerf. I was heavily using deep striking Crisis suits as primary DPS and drones to mitigate damage to them. I'm sure I'll get some losses post faq.

Here's my win/loss rate and also a bunch of other games i've witnessed at the shop.

2k point games
Tau vs. Death Guard - Win: Tau
Tau vs. Chaos Space Marines - Win: Tau
Tau vs. Blood Angels - Win: Tau
Tau vs. Death Guard - Win: Tau

1k games
Tau vs. Deathwatch - Win: Tau
Tau vs. Tyranids - Win Tau

Other games i've witnessed
Khorne Daemons vs. Dark Eldar - Winner: Khorne
Death Guard vs. Dark Eldar - Winner Death Guard
Death Guard vs. Necrons - Winner Death Guard
Death Guard vs. Necrons - Winner Death Guard
Tau vs. Chaos Space Marines - Winner: Tau.

edit: virtually no one at my shop played 40k in 7th edition. Everyone's digging through dusty boxes and reviving long retired armies. All of us are loving 8th ed. rules. Also lots of mistakes are being made. Also have two new players making armies after they watched us old guard get in some games.

Ethereal's 'FnP' is just 6+... :/

 Vector Strike wrote:
Ethereal's 'FnP' is just 6+... :/

Ah yea. my bad.

SM vs Tau result SM win
SM + Space Wolves vs IG + Tau result IG + Tau win

Drager wrote:
NO idea about World Eaters, but I've seen a few 1KSons armies with Chaos Preds and Contemptors backing up Rubrics or Scarab Occults. The Scarab Occults seem really good and the vehicles backing them takes care of the weaknesses they have. I played against a list that was something like:

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour
Exalted Sorcerer

5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer

Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Contemptor, 2x Chainclaw and Soulburner

It was a lot of fun to play against. The duel Soulburners where a pain in the arse, but all the terminators in my face meant I couldn't deal with it straight away.

Did your opponent deep strike all of those terminators? Seems an odd choice over the Soulreaper Cannon, given you wouldn't be able to use the warpflamer on the turn you come in.

My most recent outing this past Saturday in an ITC tournament saw the following:
Dark Angels vs. Orks: DA victory, by 1 point
Dark Angels vs. Tyranids/Genestealer Cult: Tyranids major victory
Dark Angels vs. Daemons: Daemons major victory

The Daemon list was 8 Nurgle Princes, Epidemius, and like 6 units of Nurglings. I just couldn't kill stuff fast enough since the princes could hide behind the Nurglings for the first couple of turns and throw Smites out. The Nid list had a bunch of cheap Genestealers (GW screwed up making those buggers only cost 10 points; should be 13 or more), plus 3 Mawlocs and a bunch of Hive Guard, Termagants, and Warriors that just hid inside a ruin and threw shots that didn't need LOS to hit. Both of those games were really horrible matchups for my Primaris-heavy DA list. The Ork player's list wasn't bad either, with 3 big units of Boyz, 3 Morkanauts, 2 Big Meks on bikes, a Warboss, and a Wierdboy casting Da Jump. I could have won bigger had I just played smarter.

Orks and ba seem to be doing better lately. As for tau losses, it's probably all due to riptides and broadsides being nerfed. And that's like 90% of what i've seen being fielded in 7-th.