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Two more wins for Inquisitor Lord Katherine:

Sisters of Battle v. Grey Knights
Imperial Guard v. Grey Knights

I am currently 12 wins and 0 losses in 8e. I don't expect this to hold, but it's fun being undefeated while it lasts. My IG hit like a sledgehammer, and my Sisters of Battle are holding their own well. I have brainstormed hypothetical lists for my enemies that will fairly handily defeat the ones I'm using, but my opponents haven't yet, and of course, I'm working on staying ahead and developing countermeasures and revisions to my lists to stay three steps ahead of potential opposition.

Games so far:
Astra militarum (ft admech and knight) vs necrons = astra militarum win
Astra militarum (ft admech)vs minotaurs space marines = space marine win
Astra militarum vs tau empire = astra militaum win
Tau vs necrons =3 necron wins, 1 tau win
Tau vs minotaurs space marines = space marine win
Minotaurs space marines vs grey knights = space marine win
Necrons vs dark angels = necron win
Necrons vs death korps of kreig = necron win
Tau vs death korps of krieg = death korps win
Tau vs eldar = tau win
Necrons vs primaris marines + knight = necron win
Necrons vs craftworlds/harlequins = necron win

I'm 9-0 with Astra Telepathica

A few more games:

Dark Eldar (Aeldari) vs Sisters (Adepta Sororitas) Dark Eldar Win, just
Thousand Sons (Thousand Sons) vs Guard (Astra Militarum) Thousand Sons Win
Tyranids (Tyranid) vs Guard (Astra Militarum) Tyranid Win
Tyranids (Tyranid) vs Sisters (Imperium) Sisters Win
Ynarri (Ynarri) vs Knights (Imperium) Ynarri win

It's still tough for me to categorise some of my armies as I play Tyranids with GSC a lot and also Dark Eldar Covens with either Ynarri or Craftworld support. I'm currently recording these as Tyranids and Dark Eldar, as those are the main components, usually. I think it may be interesting to start collecting statistics by keyword as well, so I've stuck the keyword I used to build the army in brackets above. Would be nice if others could do that as well if you want. I could then make more informative statistics.


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Arachnofiend wrote:

Drager wrote:
NO idea about World Eaters, but I've seen a few 1KSons armies with Chaos Preds and Contemptors backing up Rubrics or Scarab Occults. The Scarab Occults seem really good and the vehicles backing them takes care of the weaknesses they have. I played against a list that was something like:

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour
Exalted Sorcerer

5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer
5 Scarab Occults, Missiles, Warpflamer

Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Predator, 4 Lascannons
Hellforged Contemptor, 2x Chainclaw and Soulburner

It was a lot of fun to play against. The duel Soulburners where a pain in the arse, but all the terminators in my face meant I couldn't deal with it straight away.

Did your opponent deep strike all of those terminators? Seems an odd choice over the Soulreaper Cannon, given you wouldn't be able to use the warp flamer on the turn you come in.

He did. I guess he figured that he could use the flamers the turn after he came in. Still better than trying to run flamers towards my lines on foot and good for overwatching the countercharge. Not 100% sur eof someone elses intent of course, pretty sure there are better thousand sons lists, but this one was decent.

Only got to play two games so far.

Sisters vs Space Marines.

Sisters vs Assorted Space Marines.

Victory for the Sisters both times.

4 games with adeptus mechanicus.

Win vs IG (foot list)
win vs irks (battlewagons and stormboys)
win vs space marines (raven guard with storm raven)
win vs blood angels (tacs razorbacks, death company)


gonna try a tourney next sat. See how it goes!

Arachnofiend wrote:Not surprised Thousand Sons is doing well, but surprised we're statistically doing THAT well. Maybe we're benefiting from the increase in horde armies? The best thing about our stuff other than survivability is the ability to rip through MEQ's and GEQ's with inferno boltguns, so we might almost be a counter army to conscript spam and such. My personal meta has a lot more tanks and superheavies in it which is harder to deal with in an army barred from taking Havocs.

Maybe Magnus has something to do with it seeing as he is a power house now?

andysonic1 wrote:Are World Eaters winning so much due to Super Heavies or just local metas not ready for Berzerkers ripping through their units wholesale? I'm having a bitch of a time making mine work as well as everyone else it seems.

From my experience, the Berzerkers don't tend to mulch through things as easily as it has been made out but they certainly cripple whatever they hit and small groups of them can quite easily tie up units effectively. The real hard hitters in my WE army are the Knight, Bloodthirster, Daemon Prince and Lord of skulls but I doubt they'd have worked as well if the Berzerkers hadn't been able to distract and tie up large portions of my opponants army. (Saying that, yesterday my Berzerkers managed to destroy a full health FW Knight as well as several other space marine units)

 koooaei wrote:
Orks and ba seem to be doing better lately. As for tau losses, it's probably all due to riptides and broadsides being nerfed. And that's like 90% of what i've seen being fielded in 7-th.

See the thing is, I keep seeing this pop up in this topic and other places in order to explain the Tau's poor placement. Are we really trying to imply all tau loses are due to their players being idiots?

It's been a month already, and I like to believe most wargamers are fairly intelligent. At least enough to see what does and doesn't work in a general sense. What place do you think Tau SHOULD be if you're such an expert on Tau? and how long does it have to be when that still isn't the case before we admit there is a deep seated problem with the Tau army list.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Orks and ba seem to be doing better lately. As for tau losses, it's probably all due to riptides and broadsides being nerfed. And that's like 90% of what i've seen being fielded in 7-th.

See the thing is, I keep seeing this pop up in this topic and other places in order to explain the Tau's poor placement. Are we really trying to imply all tau loses are due to their players being idiots?

It's been a month already, and I like to believe most wargamers are fairly intelligent. At least enough to see what does and doesn't work in a general sense. What place do you think Tau SHOULD be if you're such an expert on Tau? and how long does it have to be when that still isn't the case before we admit there is a deep seated problem with the Tau army list.

I don't think anyone thinks they're unintelligent. I think people think it takes time to save up, buy, paint, and write into lists a whole new army that isn't '3 Riptides, repeat as needed.' My local Tau player absolutely knows that that is garbage this edition, but doesn't own anything else and doesn't really want to invest in anything more.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
before we admit

#NotAllGamersThinkTauAreGood

 Selym wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
before we admit

#NotAllGamersThinkTauAreGood

Whoops, that wasn't what I was implying Sorry?

See the thing is, I keep seeing this pop up in this topic and other places in order to explain the Tau's poor placement. Are we really trying to imply all tau loses are due to their players being idiots?

I don't think they are idiots. However in my experience, and this counts myself, when people rely on crutch lists to win games, and those crutches are kicked out from under them, they tend to be average at best.

I 100% agree that tau are not doing so well right now because the players playing tau in a competitive environment were using a crutch list, and those models aren't that good right now, and we're seeing how important math and list-building are to 40k.

A lot of players that were mopping up people in 7e are struggling now because they need time to collect the new OP list to get back on top.

A lot of armies that were doing badly in 7e are suddenly doing well.

Its not that poor players suddenly became good and good players suddenly became poor. Its that the math changed and this shows how important dominating the math in 40k really is.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Orks and ba seem to be doing better lately. As for tau losses, it's probably all due to riptides and broadsides being nerfed. And that's like 90% of what i've seen being fielded in 7-th.

See the thing is, I keep seeing this pop up in this topic and other places in order to explain the Tau's poor placement. Are we really trying to imply all tau loses are due to their players being idiots?

It's been a month already, and I like to believe most wargamers are fairly intelligent. At least enough to see what does and doesn't work in a general sense. What place do you think Tau SHOULD be if you're such an expert on Tau? and how long does it have to be when that still isn't the case before we admit there is a deep seated problem with the Tau army list.

I don't think anyone thinks they're unintelligent. I think people think it takes time to save up, buy, paint, and write into lists a whole new army that isn't '3 Riptides, repeat as needed.' My local Tau player absolutely knows that that is garbage this edition, but doesn't own anything else and doesn't really want to invest in anything more.

He is either a band wagoner or lazy or possibly even poor. If he is lazy I can sympathise myself since I hate doing certain things when painting but know it looks better if I do. If he is band wagoning then whatever. I would say the majority of Tau players here had a wide array of units and I don't even own more than one Riptide. Still I haven't had a chance to test out my usual lists in 8th edition. My big tournament is coming up next week but it is way unconventional list for me and I don't think I'll win. I'm bringing some stuff just to show how well painted it is (titan). So it's most of my list. hopefully I can get some regular games in with a more normal army. Most of the players are trying to use a lot of different things they aren't dumb, but I don't know in detail what they have or have tried and against who. Still despite wanting to play Tau most of them are hanging it up for 8th or until massive changes come. That is all I can say form here.

There's a guy at our local playing Tau with hammerheads and firewarriors screened by Kroot. I'll ask him how his games are going then post them up here. He seemed to be doing ok in the one game I wandered past vs demons. I know he had Longstrike and 2 of the variant hammerheads with the missiles. 16 bs2+ missiles and a BS2+ ion rifle seemed to do some work, but like I said I was just wandering past, don't knwo how it ended.

I guess a smaller model collection would be a more optimistic view on it, but it's also weird to think that's the case but chaos players were dutifully collecting berzerkers even though Assault was horrible in 6th/7th, not to mention the ability to proxy

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
I guess a smaller model collection would be a more optimistic view on it, but it's also weird to think that's the case but chaos players were dutifully collecting berzerkers even though Assault was horrible in 6th/7th, not to mention the ability to proxy

Exactly I'm not getting rid of my Tau army just because an edition is bad and I'm not going to stop collecting. So to my many dakka adorers this could mean many years of fruitful posts from me your favourite Tau player Gamgee. I hope GW take their words to heart and want to balance the game in an ongoing way every few months like other more competitive wargames. If they are afraid Tau will become too strong too fast just make small tiny incremental changes until the Tau have been tapped into place (assuming there is balance issues).

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
before we admit

#NotAllGamersThinkTauAreGood

Whoops, that wasn't what I was implying Sorry?

S'all good man, I know what you meant

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
I guess a smaller model collection would be a more optimistic view on it, but it's also weird to think that's the case but chaos players were dutifully collecting berzerkers even though Assault was horrible in 6th/7th, not to mention the ability to proxy

This is a hobby you build and collect for the long term. If you only build for the power each edition you'll find yourself caught flatfooted a lot.

And of course there are those people who mistake codex power for tactical brilliance. They are having a rough time right now.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
And of course there are those people who mistake codex power for tactical brilliance. They are having a rough time right now.

I met one, he had a tantrum. This is very much a thing.

 mrhappyface wrote:

andysonic1 wrote:Are World Eaters winning so much due to Super Heavies or just local metas not ready for Berzerkers ripping through their units wholesale? I'm having a bitch of a time making mine work as well as everyone else it seems.

From my experience, the Berzerkers don't tend to mulch through things as easily as it has been made out but they certainly cripple whatever they hit and small groups of them can quite easily tie up units effectively. The real hard hitters in my WE army are the Knight, Bloodthirster, Daemon Prince and Lord of skulls but I doubt they'd have worked as well if the Berzerkers hadn't been able to distract and tie up large portions of my opponants army. (Saying that, yesterday my Berzerkers managed to destroy a full health FW Knight as well as several other space marine units)

I shy away from lords of war because I don't have any qq. If I did I would take either a Knight or a Kytan as those seem like the ones that aren't going to be hit by the ban hammer come widespread tournament rules. I do have a Bloodthirster though and have been thinking about digging him out and fixing him because I broke the ever loving gak out of him at the end of my KDK days by accident. My only problem is I tend to focus on the small killy units like Deamon Princes and Juggerlords and Helbrutes, making the Bloodthirster one of the only initial targets for my opponent meaning he'll most likely die to concentrated fire within the first round of combat. I was considering a Kytan but need to do more mathhammer to see if it is actually a good model or not.

I'm running Eldar spirithost, and I'm 2-0 vs Nids and 2-0 vs space wolves, so far.

Craftworlds - 1W 1L
DE - 3W 2L
Ynnari - 0W 1L

My results so far with Dark Angels

vs Chaos: 1W, 1L
vs IG: 1L
vs Ultramarines: 1W

Also, matches I witnessed occurring around me yesterday: [Winner v. Loser]

Space Marines v. Chaos Space Marines
Necrons v. Chaos Space Marines
Orks v. Tau

AM vs SM: SM win
AM vs SM: AM win

Well, I suppose that didn't affect the averages much

ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs SM: SM win
AM vs SM: AM win

Well, I suppose that didn't affect the averages much

Astra Militarum or Adeptus Mechanicus?

HUGE amount of zerkers played yesterday with some friends. 80 zerkers sorceror and kharn. It was nuts but we got crushed by FW imperium shooting. Which made it unfun. Anyway 1 loss for WE. Also Magnus and spawns v tyranids FW= Magnus slaps the semis scum. 1 win for TS

Here are all my games since 8th ed released. Most recent first.

IG v SM 1.5k - IG win
IG v SM 1k - SM win
IG v BA 2k - BA win
IG v Ravenwing 2k - Draw from time
IG v SM 2k - IG win
IG v SM 2k - SM win
IG v SM 2k - IG win
IG + SM v SW + Tau 2k - IG + SM win
IG v BA 1.5k - IG win
IG v SM 1k - IG win
IG v SM 1k - IG win
IG v Tau 1k - Draw (he won on KP, but then we realized my overcharged plasmas do 2D each and would have done enough damage to kill his Riptide, which would have tabled him)

I seen these being played recently at my local may as well get them on the tracker.
Tau vs Space Marines: Space Marine win.
Tau vs Necrons: Necron Win.

 Gamgee wrote:
I seen these being played recently at my local may as well get them on the tracker.

More data = more valid results