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2017/07/14 11:41:18
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
The Tau list isn't legal. A unit of Stealth Suits can buy 1 Homing Beacon, not 2
I think it's meant to be 2x Marker Drones, because even if they could take 2 Homing Beacons the squad would cost 145pts, not 135.
However, 135 is the cost of a Controller/2x Marker Drone/Homing Beacon Burst Stealth unit.
2017/07/14 12:22:03
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
The Tau list isn't legal. A unit of Stealth Suits can buy 1 Homing Beacon, not 2
I think it's meant to be 2x Marker Drones, because even if they could take 2 Homing Beacons the squad would cost 145pts, not 135.
However, 135 is the cost of a Controller/2x Marker Drone/Homing Beacon Burst Stealth unit.
Nope, look at the second set of stealth suits they have a marker drone as well as two homing beacons.
2017/07/14 12:30:27
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
What would he even want to homing beacons for on one guy anyways? Also good to see some rep. This means two Tau second places at small tournaments now. I would like to have known his competition though. From the sounds of the write up the flyer spam list was taken down.
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2017/07/14 13:01:43
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Hopefully I'll add to that this weekend at my first ever local tournament. Then again I am up against a list with 3 knights, 3 assassins, gulliman, some primaris guys. As well as a necron list running two necron gauss pylons.
I think I can take the knight list with my Ta'unar. However the Gauss pylon list will prove harder I actually think taking shield drones might be helpful since he might try directly targeting them and if I have a few that get targeted directly they will get their save. I have a relative game plan in mind but it revolves on terrain placement.
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2017/07/14 13:14:16
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Gamgee wrote: Hopefully I'll add to that this weekend at my first ever local tournament. Then again I am up against a list with 3 knights, 3 assassins, gulliman, some primaris guys. As well as a necron list running two necron gauss pylons.
I think I can take the knight list with my Ta'unar. However the Gauss pylon list will prove harder I actually think taking shield drones might be helpful since he might try directly targeting them and if I have a few that get targeted directly they will get their save. I have a relative game plan in mind but it revolves on terrain placement.
The Pylon's gonna be a bitch, do you have anything to screen your DZ with? Kroot? I know it can deep strike.
2017/07/14 13:17:58
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
No kroot and I can't proxy models unless they look similar. I am bringng tons of firewarriors and pathfinders to act as my screen instead. As well as one quad fusion commander and two stealth teams of 3 each one with a drone controller.
My working list so far. Very limited in what models I can take since I used to proxy Kroot with my friends now I can't do that. I was always considering throwing some Ion Rifles on the pathfinders just to add some shock factor.
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1152 Ta'unar with fusion erradicators and pulse ordinance
How are Knights at nearly 50/50? I have watched/participated in 14 games, and seen Knights lose 1 of those. They have tabled their opponent in the other 13.
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2017/07/14 13:55:21
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Eldar v.s Space Wolves = Eldar win
Ynnari v.s Eldar = Ynnari win
Ynnari v.s Iron Warriors = Ynnari win
Ynnari v.s Astra Millitarum = Astra Militarum win
Thousand Sons v.s Dark Eldar = Thousand Sons win
Slaanesh Daemons/CSM v.s Astra Millitarum = Slaanesh win
So far I've had pretty decent success rates, having only narrowly lost one game against a conscript/bullgryn guard list. All my other games have ended by about turn 3, with my opponent's army in pretty bad shape. I've noticed getting first turn is a massive deal in 8th, at least against the people I've played, but that may be partly because I've mostly been using pretty shooty armies, and the Slaanesh list was pretty heavy on seekers, and they were so fast I was able to get tons of charges off turn 1.
Army Name: Obvious
Win Percentage (95% CI): This means the range given contains the real win percentage with a 95% likelihood.
Score: Number of armies to which this army is statistically superior
Change Since Last Time: Change in Score
Tier: Obvious
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2017/07/14 14:07:00
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Well, I suppose that didn't affect the averages much
Astra Militarum or Adeptus Mechanicus?
Sorry, Astra Militarium
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I think on facebook (or some social media) one of the developers was like "we really under tuned and overestimated some weapons" but he wasn't replying to any one faction in particular as far as I can tell. Although I found this quote posted on ATT so perhaps it was about Tau. I sure hope so. Understatement of the year man.
Those numbers make me feel sad man. :(
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2017/07/14 14:23:29
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
djones520 wrote: How are Knights at nearly 50/50? I have watched/participated in 14 games, and seen Knights lose 1 of those. They have tabled their opponent in the other 13.
As someone who runs a superheavy tank company (knights on tracks in this edition), the people your Knight player must be playing are either bad at the game, bad at list-building, or don't care enough to try to win.
2017/07/14 15:13:42
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
2017/07/14 15:15:13
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Gamgee wrote: Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
Why wouldn't you have that?
2017/07/14 15:17:56
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Gamgee wrote: Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
Why wouldn't you have that?
They are allowing forgeworld for now, but once they start using ITC again the Ta'unar will be banned as it is above 31 power level. If I can get it for some casual games all is well but the tournaments will be moving away from big FW models.
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2017/07/14 15:21:18
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
djones520 wrote: How are Knights at nearly 50/50? I have watched/participated in 14 games, and seen Knights lose 1 of those. They have tabled their opponent in the other 13.
Since they became an army, Knight games have always been determined pretty much solely by the other player's list. Does the other player have enough anti-tank to kill the Knights? If so, the other player generally wins. If not, the Knight player generally wins. This still seems to hold true in 8th, though it has been mitigated a bit by the change to objectives. Since objectives are held by models and not units, Knights kinda suck at taking objectives now. Between that and how traditional anti-tank weapons have just gotten better, I'm not surprised Knights are holding somewhere around 50/50.
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2017/07/14 15:22:15
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Gamgee wrote: Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
Why wouldn't you have that?
They are allowing forgeworld for now, but once they start using ITC again the Ta'unar will be banned as it is above 31 power level. If I can get it for some casual games all is well but the tournaments will be moving away from big FW models.
Womp womp.
I love when 'house rules' aren't 'house' at all, and when they hurt the game. That's always fun.
2017/07/14 15:26:39
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Gamgee wrote: Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
Why wouldn't you have that?
They are allowing forgeworld for now, but once they start using ITC again the Ta'unar will be banned as it is above 31 power level. If I can get it for some casual games all is well but the tournaments will be moving away from big FW models.
Gamgee wrote: Well my Ta'unar is going to be killing about... 1.75 knights a turn and he only brought three plus some assassins. So... lol. Once I don't have that however I'm unsure how I'll win. I guess Y'vahrah and fusion suit spam.
Why wouldn't you have that?
They are allowing forgeworld for now, but once they start using ITC again the Ta'unar will be banned as it is above 31 power level. If I can get it for some casual games all is well but the tournaments will be moving away from big FW models.
Tigershark AX-1-0 is PL30
Only if FW let's it just fire all its guns as it is a big disadvantage otherwise. I don't know why I have to pick and choose which guns to fire each round so dumb especially when it's so expensive.
2017/07/16 00:33:08
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Chaos vs Orks - Chaos Win
Chaos vs Necron - Chaos Win
Chaos vs SW - SW Win
Chaos vs GK - Chaos Win
I am surprised by chaos being that low since I have had really good success with them compared to last edition where I really struggled. My loss vs SW was mostly due to poor objective draws and my opponent accidentally cheating with his long fangs.
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2017/07/14 16:39:11
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Orks and Tau finished 1 & 2 in that tournament, discount it if you want, but in the last two tournaments we've seen, Orks were numbers 2 & 1.
Dakka Dakka: Oh it's an outlier, these armies are actually bad, the data proves it!
Space Marines have a very poor win percentage in the data.
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One thing is certain, parts of the playtesting process for the game didn’t account for certain variables, as noticed by the playtesting tournament community moving quickly to change missions and going first mechanics, even after initial calls for no changes when the hype train was at full steam.
I agree with this analysis. Some of the meta is being driven by ITC's changes to the rules that happened without a vote.
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Galas wrote: I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you
Bharring wrote: He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
2017/07/14 17:31:29
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Marmatag wrote: Orks and Tau finished 1 & 2 in that tournament, discount it if you want, but in the last two tournaments we've seen, Orks were numbers 2 & 1.
Dakka Dakka: Oh it's an outlier, these armies are actually bad, the data proves it!
Space Marines have a very poor win percentage in the data.
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I don't think anyone discounted the idea orks had viable builds, but the bigger issue was they only have 1-2 still, and even those 1-2 look like they may get outperformed by similar builds from other armies. I think orks placing as high as they do currently has a lot to do with most ork players having a lot of boys painted already.
2017/07/14 18:03:26
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
It's funny people are whining about others saying Marine players are unskilled when not too long ago in this thread the Ork w/l ratio was explained by several people as Ork players innately having no skill.
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2017/07/14 18:05:14
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
Melissia wrote: It's funny people are whining about others saying Marine players are unskilled when not too long ago in this thread the Ork w/l ratio was explained by several people as Ork players innately having no skill.
I don't think it's the same people. Each army has it's own base of people who think they are the only skilled players in the world...
2017/07/14 18:06:04
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
And yet they made no objection when Ork players were labeled as unskilled.
Hypocrisy amuses me.
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