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So question does anyone have any good tutorials on how to do this preferably sans airbrush or with a cheap badger airbrush. i want to do a heat hawk like effect on my reivers blades when they come in but i can't find any good tutorials on red hot metal... plenty on blue lightning power swords but nada on this.
It's not the easiest to see I know, but I did a red blade for a Mordheim vampire a few years back:
And this is how I do power weapons:
Basic idea would be keep it almost black in the centre and progressively get more and more red as you get towards the edges with some fine layering once you get there. Whether you make your edges err towards to orange or pink/purple type of red is up to you, I have a huge preference for the latter.
for those familiar this is what i'm trying to recreate
Automatically Appended Next Post: now the next question is this. do i heat just the edge to make it more like the zaku's heat hawk or do i do the whole thing?
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gendoikari87 wrote: for those familiar this is what i'm trying to recreate
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now the next question is this. do i heat just the edge to make it more like the zaku's heat hawk or do i do the whole thing?
I would paint the part that's supposed to be the hottest white and then have a small gradient to get to the yellow-orange of the rest of the blade (you can't paint the air around a miniature to get the glow so you need to work on the surface of your balde). I would further try to find reasons to paint whatever you can around the glowy part a bit darker (to add contrast) and maybe add a bit of reflected light (glow) from the blade on other surfaces where possible and useful.
Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
also those bits that cool fastest will heat the fastest too if it's constantly being heated
Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
also those bits that cool fastest will heat the fastest too if it's constantly being heated
Only if you're assuming an all-over external heatsource.
If the heat comes from within the outer edges will only heat once the inside is hot enough to convey the heat outward.
Really, you need a great deal of 'space magic' to explain the heated blade, so its best to just make the cutting edge the hottest as its the bit that cuts, and not think any further
It's hard to get good red, orange, yellow over darker colours. I would blend a dark to white edges first and glaze over with the colours that you want.
Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
also those bits that cool fastest will heat the fastest too if it's constantly being heated
Only if you're assuming an all-over external heatsource.
If the heat comes from within the outer edges will only heat once the inside is hot enough to convey the heat outward.
Really, you need a great deal of 'space magic' to explain the heated blade, so its best to just make the cutting edge the hottest as its the bit that cuts, and not think any further
Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
also those bits that cool fastest will heat the fastest too if it's constantly being heated
Only if you're assuming an all-over external heatsource.
If the heat comes from within the outer edges will only heat once the inside is hot enough to convey the heat outward.
Really, you need a great deal of 'space magic' to explain the heated blade, so its best to just make the cutting edge the hottest as its the bit that cuts, and not think any further
I could design you a heated blade, I could even design you one that preferentially heats the sharpened edge before the core. The technology already exists. With material selection you could even have a blade that glows white hot but then has nifty designs which cool faster and thus look darker than the rest of the blade.
The only place space magic is needed is to supply the energy to power it and as is usual having materials strong enough to withstand it (both of which are true of damned near every 40k weapon, lol).
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Desubot wrote: A red hot blade would be white/yellow at this thickets part as it retains heat more.
the edges and any sharp angles would cool down to a red/dark red then black when it loses enough heat.
if its constantly being heated through space magic then it would probably just be a uniform temperature at all times.
It could be heated through the sharp bit rather than through the core or evenly. Sure, if you put a blade in a furnace and pull it out the thin edges will cool the fastest, but if it's a weapon it'd make more sense to have a system of heating the sharp edge directly.
also those bits that cool fastest will heat the fastest too if it's constantly being heated
Only if you're assuming an all-over external heatsource.
If the heat comes from within the outer edges will only heat once the inside is hot enough to convey the heat outward.
Really, you need a great deal of 'space magic' to explain the heated blade, so its best to just make the cutting edge the hottest as its the bit that cuts, and not think any further
I could design you a heated blade, I could even design you one that preferentially heats the sharpened edge before the core. The technology already exists. With material selection you could even have a blade that glows white hot but then has nifty designs which cool faster and thus look darker than the rest of the blade.
The only place space magic is needed is to supply the energy to power it and as is usual having materials strong enough to withstand it (both of which are true of damned near every 40k weapon, lol).
actually space magic is also needed to explain why it's useful at all. a high tempreture blade isn't going to cut it's going to deform around the target because that's what metal does when it gets hot. in fact it won't add to cutting power at all even if it doesn't loose hardness. it'll even cauterize the wounds making it less lethal..... but you know. it looks cool as gak.
gendoikari87 wrote: actually space magic is also needed to explain why it's useful at all. a high tempreture blade isn't going to cut it's going to deform around the target because that's what metal does when it gets hot. in fact it won't add to cutting power at all even if it doesn't loose hardness. it'll even cauterize the wounds making it less lethal..... but you know. it looks cool as gak.
When I said "materials strong enough to withstand it" that's kind of what I meant Something that can withstand a heat high enough to cause other materials to melt near instantly.
It might not be a metal. I think the highest melting point of any metal alloy is about 3500 C, which is double that of steel so would melt steel pretty quickly.
Even if it was some kind of ceramic maybe, you could have a liquid metal element (so that you can use induction heating) but the strength of the blade comes from some non-metal.
Advances in science often come from advances in materials. Materials engineering is the boring engineering that the more fun engineering fields rely on for advances
If it can't get hot enough to melt stuff it could still be useful in setting a fire. Sure, it might cauterise a wound, but it'd also set the dude's clothes on fire
Of course it wouldn't be practical, but neither would half the weapons in 40k
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Of course it wouldn't be practical, but neither would half the weapons in 40k
What you mean meele weapons in a universe with laser guns and railcannons that can blast through adamantium from a dozen miles away aren't practical? then who's going to scream "DRIVE ME CLOSER I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWARD!" while riding atop a heavily armored behemoth of a tank with a cannon that fires head sized shells at ludicrous speeds.?
Something that can withstand a heat high enough to cause other materials to melt near instantly.