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 Melissia wrote:
Reiver, not Reaver. It refers to raiding forces.

That one isnt bad.

Tyel wrote:
If people are using and enjoying Primaris Marines then I don't really see why you disliking them matters.

With that said I think its a missed opportunity.

The intercessors are good. I can understand people going "but the mini's (I bought a decade ago) won't match..." but if by 2020 a new tactical marine kit was released and it was proportioned like these with a full set of options I could understand it.

I don't mind the characters, although I can see why some might not.

Everything else though is bad. Hellblasters have a terrible name and are kind of a stupid concept. Inceptors take that a step further. Maybe its the paint job but Reivers are ugly and a giant fluff WTF. The vehicles just seem unnecessary.

So just like EVERY release in the last decade or more, it's all about rebuying something you already have to keep up with the new hotness. In this case, to keep scale. And they say GW hasn't changed...

 Kellevil wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Reiver, not Reaver. It refers to raiding forces.

That one isnt bad.

The only one that's bad is "Inceptor", which I get what they were going for; someone who begins, in this case, they're the squad that starts the combat by charging in guns blazing.

It's just... it's awkward and doesn't really work...

 Melissia wrote:

 Kellevil wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Reiver, not Reaver. It refers to raiding forces.

That one isnt bad.

The only one that's bad is "Inceptor", which I get what they were going for; someone who begins, in this case, they're the squad that starts the combat by charging in guns blazing.

It's just... it's awkward and doesn't really work...

Intercessor is bad. No way around it.

It's not that bizarre; someone who intervenes on behalf of another. This is how tactical marines are often described; taking fire for devastators and assault marines so they can attack from positions of strength.

 Kellevil wrote:


Intercessor is bad. No way around it.

It also is linked to their position as scions of Guilliman and demi-gods in the Imperium. They are the physical manifestation of the Emperor's will. For a theocracy, it makes sense to give such a name to its champions.

It's easy to criticise names, but try to come up with 150+ names for various units that have a certain naming convention in common and still sound distinct. I'll give them that, GW has more talent to find names for their stuff than me. It's hard to be simple and original at the same time.

'Inception' marines. With a deep thrumming "Bwaaaaaaaam", reality around them distorts and twists.....

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Easy headswaps, no?

hobojebus wrote:
Well I was never wowed by their fluff and rules and as times gone on I don't think I'll bother adding any to my space wolves.

Especially if they cost what I suspect they will.

What fluff? Do you mean the, oh hey we forgot we got like these billion super duper marines that are like super duper and amazing we just forgot about them til this other guy we forgot about popped up with them. You know the this thing always existed we just never talked about it til now. Even tho we told you resources where running low.


That's like the bigges, oh crap how do we end this story, I know the power was within the whole time...... Ya that's good.

Their real fluff is GW pockets where getting flat so they thought. Space marines are our best seller but are selling less, lets increase their cost and make them 1/10mm bigger. Then we can DOUBLE their price..... Makes perfect sense.

After they do the full scale conversion (#fearmongering) I'll use my current marines as Primaris, and all my RTB01s as " normal" marines.

And I'll call it "truescale" because its closer to a reasonable scale with the tableop, terrain, and weapon ranges.

I like Mk. X guys well enough to get a few at some point. I'll have Guilliman and Centurions in my Ultramarines, so even if they turn out to look ridiculous next to normal Marines, that's not such a big deal. They won't be alone.

I don't like any other Primaris though, vehicles included.

 Talizvar wrote:
Speaking of that, I wonder how many "active" marine character models are still in the tiny old Terminator armor?.

None on the loyalist side that I can think of. I think Failbaddon is the last of the old terminator characters.

 Melissia wrote:
Reiver, not Reaver. It refers to raiding forces.

It's not like there's a difference, other than that reiver is no longer in use and GW can merrily slap a TM on it.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Easy headswaps, no?

You assume that the older heads won't look drastically out of place on a Primaris body.

 Just Tony wrote:
You assume that the older heads won't look drastically out of place on a Primaris body.

They don't, they look just fine. I used some of mark VII helmets on mine. Though it might be a good idea to trim the collar a bit if one wants to use a beakie.

Oddly, I don't find the Primaris marines all that competitive. Only the hellblasters might see top table play, but sternguard are better, intercession don't hold a candle to tac squads, especially since Cato and a Primaris captain are the same price.

Standard marines get drop pods and rhinos (relatively cheap transport) too. Unless the new Primaris hover Bradley is very aggressively costed and can't carry non-Primaris, I'm struggling to not find standard marines better at flexiblity or Terminators a better bargain. Right now 2 wounds and 3+ just doesn't make up for the loss of heavy and special weapons. Or going the other way, 2+ teleporting, heavy weapon and PF TDAs are a better bargain at similar points (and I don't know that they've even a great deal)

IMO: all that glitters may not be gold with the new guys

 Just Tony wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Easy headswaps, no?

You assume that the older heads won't look drastically out of place on a Primaris body.

Heads and Shoulderpads are 100% compatible. Thats tell something about the old marines proportions...

The marines are meh. Their tank is fantastic. I am tempted to get one and convert it to a Deathwatch tank. Also long loooong ago in the days before Primaris were a glint in this forums rumour section. I said Deathwatch should get a cool hover tank. I was blasted off the face of the forum for "trolling" and it was incomprehensible that a space marine could have such a thing.

All I can say now is. Ha, but seriously that tank is fantastic. Giving my Tau some serious envy. I want to see a new Tau tank more than ever.

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Agis already did that:

 Albertorius wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Agis already did that:

that looks nice, might have to get some beakie heads.

I changed all of the guys without helmet in the starter for regular Aquila helmets.

I just don't like marines without helmets!

Like I've said before, I am trying really hard not to get a small squad of Primaris just to paint them and have them. They won't ever be used with actual Primaris profiles, unless it's with the One Page Rules version of them. I just want some Space Marines that have the same "oomph" on the table in skirmish games as Artemis Deathwatch figure did back in the days of Inquisitor, when because he was in scale, he was absolutely fething huge!

I can find them on Ebay for about 4 dollars apiece (characters included), or just 15 bucks for each combat squad of 5 Intercessors. I mean, that's like standard marine prices from 10 years ago.

Yeah. The eBay market is pretty revealing as to the Primaris reception once the initial sales cooled

 Lobukia wrote:
Yeah. The eBay market is pretty revealing as to the Primaris reception once the initial sales cooled

I doubt that. Starter Sets units always sells very cheap on Ebay. And even more just after the drop of the edition because the market is saturated.

The stupid thing is that almost all the vehicles say they cannot carry them. As a new player I have the Marines and now looking at my store and asking about the Landradier Stromraven.

You can see the sales staff face drop as they explain that "if" I buy it I wont be able to put my new Marines inside it.

Why not just come out and say here are some new marine models they are a little bigger on the table however have the same rules but are easier to assemble and paint? I don't think anyone would mind that, as it is then simply and evolution of the miniature range rather than some bogus new super marine. Then over the next 5 or so years just phase out the older Marine models and replace with the bigger ones.

Would anyone have a problem with that?

I think they look good, make a nice addition to the 40k line and certainly don't invalidate the other marines. Even if GW and FW never made another standard marine again. The range is huge and very good quality, it is good for years.

Gibs55 wrote:
The stupid thing is that almost all the vehicles say they cannot carry them. As a new player I have the Marines and now looking at my store and asking about the Landradier Stromraven.

You can see the sales staff face drop as they explain that "if" I buy it I wont be able to put my new Marines inside it.

Why not just come out and say here are some new marine models they are a little bigger on the table however have the same rules but are easier to assemble and paint? I don't think anyone would mind that, as it is then simply and evolution of the miniature range rather than some bogus new super marine. Then over the next 5 or so years just phase out the older Marine models and replace with the bigger ones.

Would anyone have a problem with that?

Judging by many posts here and around the internet yes. They are already freaking out that it will enventually happen over a period of years.

Gibs55 wrote:
The stupid thing is that almost all the vehicles say they cannot carry them. As a new player I have the Marines and now looking at my store and asking about the Landradier Stromraven.

You can see the sales staff face drop as they explain that "if" I buy it I wont be able to put my new Marines inside it.

Why not just come out and say here are some new marine models they are a little bigger on the table however have the same rules but are easier to assemble and paint? I don't think anyone would mind that, as it is then simply and evolution of the miniature range rather than some bogus new super marine. Then over the next 5 or so years just phase out the older Marine models and replace with the bigger ones.

Would anyone have a problem with that?

I absolutley wouldn't have a problem with that. Thats what I was hoping for. And I have really tried to get on board with the new marines. But the models so far, even though they are clean and neat and pretty (with the exception of the inceptors which look ridiculous) just dont fit with the grim dark theme. And space marines are the heart of the grim dark theme. Part of the allure is the over-armored look. I really wanted to like them. But the more I look at them the more I dislike them. And I would bet that every one of their defendors so far are people who have invested in them even if it was just because of the 'new' factor.

All I can say is if you dislike them, their are plenty of other armies out there. Nothing is forcing you to try out the new hotness if the units don't appeal to you.

 Galas wrote:
I changed all of the guys without helmet in the starter for regular Aquila helmets.

I just don't like marines without helmets!

Yeah, same here, although I've not glued the bare heads in mine and am waiting for spare Mk X helmets. As I plan to make one squad with Mk IV helmets, backpacks and guns, I'll eventually have some.

BrianDavion wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
Not a fan. I'd rather they'd just made intercessors only, so our old-marines still had the tactical flexibility and multiple roles.

Not to mention the weapons and names are beyond awful.

Heavy bolter pistols... just what the hell are they thinking...

This is saturday-morning cartoon levels of awfulness.

And to those saying 'I don't like golf, just ignore it' - the company only has so much time and resources, so this crap comes at the expense of stuff we'd rather see.

such as? remember the stuff they'd give us instead would be Marine stuff, what space marine stuff do we need?

I mean, tbh I think they're hilariously oversaturating their marine market (how many marine players REALLY don't have enough captains with power swords and swooshy capes such that they're clamoring to spend 35$ on one? Really?) so I'd say "anything but marines" but I'd take regular marine releases over biglymarine releases any day.

 Just Tony wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If people are using and enjoying Primaris Marines then I don't really see why you disliking them matters.

With that said I think its a missed opportunity.

The intercessors are good. I can understand people going "but the mini's (I bought a decade ago) won't match..." but if by 2020 a new tactical marine kit was released and it was proportioned like these with a full set of options I could understand it.

I don't mind the characters, although I can see why some might not.

Everything else though is bad. Hellblasters have a terrible name and are kind of a stupid concept. Inceptors take that a step further. Maybe its the paint job but Reivers are ugly and a giant fluff WTF. The vehicles just seem unnecessary.

So just like EVERY release in the last decade or more, it's all about rebuying something you already have to keep up with the new hotness. In this case, to keep scale. And they say GW hasn't changed...

its quite different when the 'new hotness" is aggressively indifferent and over costed. No need to rebuy when what you have does the same job more effectively.

To keep scale doesn't make sense. There are hundreds if not thousands of sculpts at the current scale and now a literal handful at a new scale. If you want to 'keep scale' the only answer is NOT to buy them.