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 Sersi wrote:
This. I'm not sure I want any new chaos marine sculpts. I'm not keen on the aesthetics of new Deathguard, Dark Vengeance box set, or Helbrute. I much prefer the look of the early corrupted legions as opposed to the heavily mutated look they're pushing now.

I agree. Most new chaos models I see resemble more possessed marines IMO than rebellious astartes. Don't get me wrong... I like me some possessed (especially the Gal Vorbak!) but I don't need sharp warp spikes literally growing out of every marine (instead of just being welded onto the armor) and fleshy/metal hybrids.

If you click my gallery I did an emperors children army last year with albeit personally sculpted and cast torsos but I used raptor weapons and heads and Calth legs to get a pretty decent cult marine in the end. I am currently doing a black legion force and I am using a ton of chaos warrior and knight helmets and it really makes a world of difference. I think the biggest single issue with the chaos space marine box is the crappy helmet sculpts, it's the first thing that draws the eye.

Seems like a perfectly good release. I mean, I can't think of any Chaos models that need updating besides Abaddon, Fabius, Lucius, Huron, regular plastic Chaos Marines, Havocs, Obliterators, Mutilators, Khorne Berzerkers, Chaos Bikers or Noise Marines.

Other than those few minor no-core items it's really a very complete range.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like a perfectly good release. I mean, I can't think of any Chaos models that need updating besides Abaddon, Fabius, Lucius, Huron, regular plastic Chaos Marines, Havocs, Obliterators, Mutilators, Khorne Berzerkers, Chaos Bikers or Noise Marines.

Other than those few minor no-core items it's really a very complete range.

We also don't have a T-rex shaped demon engine yet.

Honestly, they could probably get some mileage out of plastic upgrade sprues for the Mk III and Mk IV kits.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We also don't have a T-rex shaped demon engine yet.

Good point. There were 5 Dinobots from memory, so we still need the missing 3.

Lucius, Fabius and noise marines will be part of codex emperors children obviously, along with fulgrim and probably some terminator elites.

Kinda missing the (really not all that subtle) point I was making.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kinda missing the (really not all that subtle) point I was making.

I'd not hold my breath on special characters, as it is chaos has gotten better that way then any other army of late (plastic kharn, ahriman, and typhus coming up) which is more a statement of how bad off special characters are over all in modern 40k

the others I agree could use some new minis, a mutilator/obliterator duel kit seems logical, and I'd REALLY like to see a decent Havok Kit.

standard Chaos Marines, are oddly, of the stuff on your list the ones I'm least intreasted in seeing... but I play Iron Warriors so I'm just gonna be using the MK 3 armor kits

BrianDavion wrote:
standard Chaos Marines, are oddly, of the stuff on your list the ones I'm least intreasted in seeing... but I play Iron Warriors so I'm just gonna be using the MK 3 armor kits

Honestly, me too, but for a different reason.

Yes, I'm one of the people who actually really likes the Chaos Marine kit. I've tons of 'em.

I hope the renegade rules will make it possible to bring Raptors, Bikes, Chosen and Dark Apostle with Mark of Nurgle back to my DG List.
Also it says:
"...the Dark Hereticus discipline with its 3 powers specific to the Marks of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh."

Does that mean you'll get the 3 powers from the index and depending on the mark +3 from you god? Also, does it mean for undivided no additional powers?

The way i read it was there are 3 generic powers in the discipline and 1 for each god except khorne.

 Rydria wrote:
The way i read it was there are 3 generic powers in the discipline and 1 for each god except khorne.

That would be my guess as well. Gives chaos 6 total like the goodies and if you want more god specific powers then play the god specific book (sorry Slaanesh lol).

I'm not sure GW intends to update the CSM models. Seems they're finally fleshing out the cult units after all these decades and giving each cult multiple unique unit types, including the basic cult troops. Cult armies and units probably account for about half of chaos armies anyway, they certainly won't give unique models to the undivided legions. So undivided will just have to make do with what we have now, though it isn't a big deal as there're so many models to choose from between GW, Forgeworld, 40/30k and AoS (and 3rd parties) that you can relatively easily create good looking CSM's without need for a new kit.

Demantiae wrote:
I'm not sure GW intends to update the CSM models. Seems they're finally fleshing out the cult units after all these decades and giving each cult multiple unique unit types, including the basic cult troops. Cult armies and units probably account for about half of chaos armies anyway, they certainly won't give unique models to the undivided legions. So undivided will just have to make do with what we have now, though it isn't a big deal as there're so many models to choose from between GW, Forgeworld, 40/30k and AoS (and 3rd parties) that you can relatively easily create good looking CSM's without need for a new kit.

They have to be updated to coincide with the steroid infused scale creep that is the hallmark of Nu 40k.

 warboss wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
This. I'm not sure I want any new chaos marine sculpts. I'm not keen on the aesthetics of new Deathguard, Dark Vengeance box set, or Helbrute. I much prefer the look of the early corrupted legions as opposed to the heavily mutated look they're pushing now.

I agree. Most new chaos models I see resemble more possessed marines IMO than rebellious astartes. Don't get me wrong... I like me some possessed (especially the Gal Vorbak!) but I don't need sharp warp spikes literally growing out of every marine (instead of just being welded onto the armor) and fleshy/metal hybrids.

Seriously, are spikes and tentacles the only way to make them look "EVIL" these days?

No new models, so I'm pretty much uninterested.

Honestly GW, can you just redo the fething chaos line already?

 Sersi wrote:


Seriously, are spikes and tentacles the only way to make them look "EVIL" these days?

Their choices are limited ever since Forgeworld claimed curly mustaches and goofy hats for the alpha legion.

I remember back before I quit 40k (Just got back into it again) I was just going to use standard marines as chaos with a few bits added to them and a worn paint scheme with chapter symbols burnt off and aquila defaced as renegades. I may do that this time around.

 Kirasu wrote:
I bet if we plaster pictures of the current Khorne Berserkers all over GW HQ they'd realize why they need new models.

Only if we plaster pictures of their giant CARTOON HANDS.

overtyrant wrote:
I remember back before I quit 40k (Just got back into it again) I was just going to use standard marines as chaos with a few bits added to them and a worn paint scheme with chapter symbols burnt off and aquila defaced as renegades. I may do that this time around.

This is what I've always preferred aesthetically basically ghosts/hold outs from the Heresy era brought forward to the present. In fact I think that's the theme I'll use.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I bet if we plaster pictures of the current Khorne Berserkers all over GW HQ they'd realize why they need new models.

Only if we plaster pictures of their giant CARTOON HANDS.

To be honest, berserkers really just need an abdomen upgrade sprue. lol, they literally look like a chest sitting on a pelvis.

I've been debating selling off my old world eaters to buy AOS Blood Warriors and a few FW bits. That Start Collecting Bloodbound box is really speaking to me. With 22 August being less than a month away, I am skeptical that they would squeeze in any box kits.. but.. GW is onto some craziness lately so who knows.

RE: Dirty armor vs Armor Twisted by the warp.. I like to think that CSM are effected by the warp the same way weapons and vehicles are.. It twists their armor and their bodies. The difference between this and possessed is that possessed actually have spirits or demons or whatever from the warp imparting their energy or strength in them while the others with stuff on them are simply touched by Chaos. I don't think either approach is wrong but IMO there is a distinction between CSM (as in afflicted by the warp) and Renegade Astartes (not afflicted just gave the Emperor the bird).

Oh I don't mind mutations where it makes sense. Like tentacles and random eyes that's a Tzeentch thing. It should be something basic CSM should have.

I'd actually prefer chaos marines to be more mutated and weird, not less. Especially those who are from the time of Horus Heresy and have hung out in warp for ten millennia or something. Gal Vorbak are basically my ideal chaos marines.



Besides, it seems pretty counterproductive to even have chaos marines, if they're just same as the regular marines.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Lucius, Fabius and noise marines will be part of codex emperors children obviously, along with fulgrim and probably some terminator elites.

Fabius is pretty much his own sub faction or could be - with his Acolytes, genetic creations, experiments etc - he is not really part of the Emperors Children (and does not have their key word) - if such a thing even really exists any more.

With that being said I really hope we don't just get a load of Legion Codexes alongside countless Marine Chapter Codexes but I think its likely - A source book based on each Power would be so much more intersting, flexible and enjoyable - to me at least.

 Crimson wrote:
I'd actually prefer chaos marines to be more mutated and weird, not less. Especially those who are from the time of Horus Heresy and have hung out in warp for ten millennia or something. Gal Vorbak are basically my ideal chaos marines.

Spoiler:

Besides, it seems pretty counterproductive to even have chaos marines, if they're just same as the regular marines.

Those are my favorite (and I stated such above) recent chaos models as well as I think they finally do possessed justice. The difference I suppose is that I expect that level of mutation to be an extreme and not close to the baseline. The 6th/7th edition starter set chaos marines and dreadnoughts were just too mutated as a standard.

Games workshop should understand the importance of this release, this is a genuine opportunity to fix a lot of the idiocy they introduced into chaos since 3rd ed, they need to bring the legions back to the fore, they need to re introduce the character focussed warbands, lots of gifts (points) veteran skills (points) wargear (points) deamonic weapons (points), by no means whatsoever should ANY of the chaos units have random tables, with exception to the spawn, and that should be at the start of the game for its duration, mark of chaos undivided should also be brought back (re roll ld and +1 ld) and the option of multiple veteran skills for unmarked models.

Make chaos a tier 1 army again, make them powerful and a real threat to the imperium (keyword) not just space marines.

I cannot get it through my head that we are not getting new Chaos Space Marines. Just a basic set. It makes no sense to me.I must be an automatic sell.... I just ....no.

What a bummer

 Eldarain wrote:
and a mailed in early book again...

It seems to have everything the SM book has, so....

I hope possessed, mutilators and oblitirators are changed in the codex or get a hefty price reduction. It is heart breaking to see possessed be aweful for yet another edition.