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 buddha wrote:
Any credence to the rumor that cult troops aren't troops anymore for their respective legions?

How would that work?

Voss wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Any credence to the rumor that cult troops aren't troops anymore for their respective legions?

How would that work?

Where you take a Vanguard detachment instead of a batallion? Like how SM bike armies have to take Outrider instead of Batallion?

I haven't specifically seen a rule allowing WE/EC to do so, so that may be out. Could be an oversight though. Could also be tucked away somewhere that hasn't been shown.

has anyone seen the points for the new Plaguemarines weapons?

 Crazyterran wrote:

Voss wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Any credence to the rumor that cult troops aren't troops anymore for their respective legions?

How would that work?

Where you take a Vanguard detachment instead of a batallion? Like how SM bike armies have to take Outrider instead of Batallion?

Oh, nevermind. I thought you meant cultists for some reason.

 alextroy wrote:

 Galas wrote:
So Brimstones are up in price a 50%. I don't know if thats enough but... is something.

Does this help?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/05/legion-focus-word-bearers-aug-5gw-homepage-post-2/ wrote:Horrors of all kinds have been very popular in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, and it’s hard to deny the appeal of a pack of malevolent, sentient magic. All the same, we’ve made some tweaks to Horrors to encourage a wider diversity of army builds. Firstly, you’ll need a full unit of 10 or more Pink Horrors to do more than a single Wound when you cast Smite. Secondly, Pink Horrors cost fewer points and Brimstone Horrors cost more. All other lesser Daemons have dropped in points, too, meaning whatever you’re, summoning you’ll get more for your reinforcement points.

Should help a little! Have to hope they'll be fixing the other stuff like Conscripts and apparently Scions. Were Poxwalkers in the book? Did they change yet?

SilverAlien wrote:
I haven't specifically seen a rule allowing WE/EC to do so, so that may be out. Could be an oversight though. Could also be tucked away somewhere that hasn't been shown.

This.

Until we can properly see the full book it may be one of those rules that's tucked away in a corner.

I do wonder however if you can use the Index cult troops otherwise - because losing Berserker troops is basically going to take anyone with a KDK army from 7th and slap them in the face.

A "KDK" army is supposed to have enought Daemon Troop to fulfil standard detachment, then add a Vanguard detachment for their CSM units.

Nontheless it's a problem for pure World Eater and Emperor children army

Jensvdb wrote:
has anyone seen the points for the new Plaguemarines weapons?

which one is new? There are 17 total weapon profiles on this datasheet

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
I haven't specifically seen a rule allowing WE/EC to do so, so that may be out. Could be an oversight though. Could also be tucked away somewhere that hasn't been shown.

This.

Until we can properly see the full book it may be one of those rules that's tucked away in a corner.

I do wonder however if you can use the Index cult troops otherwise - because losing Berserker troops is basically going to take anyone with a KDK army from 7th and slap them in the face.

I would agree with your point more if I had ever seen an actual KDK army with berserkers let alone troops in it.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Jensvdb wrote:
has anyone seen the points for the new Plaguemarines weapons?

which one is new? There are 17 total weapon profiles on this datasheet

The melee ones like flail, mace and axe i found the points for the range weapons already

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Aint even mad about Fabius, like good excuse to make new upscaled normal CSM, wasn't there a retailer that said the standard CSM were getting updated?

Besides who can blame him, if your job is to make stuff, if you see new stuff not like your old stuff, you're gonna wanna steal that stuff to make new stuff!

Could that random double eagle skull icon that appeared on WarCom yesterday maybe relate to traitor primaris? Ones that Bile has managed to create

While I don't think the skull links to anything chaos, it could be possible, as the icon is a bastardization of the Aquila, much like the chaos primaris would be to the holy and pure primaris.

Also someone pointed out on B&C and it too caught my eye a while ago but thought I was just seeing things. To anyone else, do the images of the chaos marines look 'taller' to anyone?



To me it's the legs, they look slightly taller. I didn't think anything of it first but now it would make sense if (rightfully so) all chaos marines are going to be upscaled.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

While I don't think the skull links to anything chaos, it could be possible, as the icon is a bastardization of the Aquila, much like the chaos primaris would be to the holy and pure primaris.

Also someone pointed out on B&C and it too caught my eye a while ago but thought I was just seeing things. To anyone else, do the images of the chaos marines look 'taller' to anyone?



To me it's the legs, they look slightly taller. I didn't think anything of it first but now it would make sense if (rightfully so) all chaos marines are going to be upscaled.

I think it's just updating to normal sized marines since our previous codeces have always depicted our old stubby marines from the older editions.

Jensvdb wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Jensvdb wrote:
has anyone seen the points for the new Plaguemarines weapons?

which one is new? There are 17 total weapon profiles on this datasheet

The melee ones like flail, mace and axe i found the points for the range weapons already

plague weapons re-roll rolls of 1 to WOUND (ranged and melee). Fighting with two melee gives extra attack, and you can mix between plagueknife, bubonic axe and mace of contagion. Axe and flail increase strength, have AP -2. Flail is awesome as 2 dg becomes lethal when you attack. Roll D3 before using flail for number of attacks. Casualties DO rip through enemies like mortal wounds do (but these aren't MW). Great cleaver -1 to hit (get that Prescience off ) but Str x2, AP -3, D6 dmg.
Page 134 in the codex. working on my review today for this and Grey Knights.

yeah but do you have the points value of the weapons (not the stats)?

Jensvdb wrote:
yeah but do you have the points value of the weapons (not the stats)?

Oh, my bad, misunderstood.
B axe 6, flail 10, great plague cleaver 15, mace Lucky Number 7

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Jensvdb wrote:
yeah but do you have the points value of the weapons (not the stats)?

Oh, my bad, misunderstood.
B axe 6, flail 10, great plague cleaver 15, mace Lucky Number 7

Thank you so much

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Jensvdb wrote:
yeah but do you have the points value of the weapons (not the stats)?

Oh, my bad, misunderstood.
B axe 6, flail 10, great plague cleaver 15, mace Lucky Number 7

Greatly appreciated! If you'd confirm plague knives are still 0 cost I'd very grateful

SilverAlien wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Jensvdb wrote:
yeah but do you have the points value of the weapons (not the stats)?

Oh, my bad, misunderstood.
B axe 6, flail 10, great plague cleaver 15, mace Lucky Number 7

Greatly appreciated! If you'd confirm plague knives are still 0 cost I'd very grateful

yup! and plaguesword 1 pt.

Legion Focus: Alpha Legion

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/06/legion-focus-alpha-legion-aug6gw-homepage-post-2/

Dat Warlord Trait. Epicness.

Sharazad87 wrote:
Alpha Legion First look Up

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/06/legion-focus-alpha-legion-aug6gw-homepage-post-2/

Dat Trait. Epicness.

First look... yes... first time we've seen it.

But yes, Alpha Legion are looking quite good.

Sharazad87 wrote:
Legion Focus: Alpha Legion

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/06/legion-focus-alpha-legion-aug6gw-homepage-post-2/

Dat Trait. Epicness.

yeah, the 20th Legion did well in this book. Glad to see some of Traitor Legions carry over, the flavor and themes.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
yup! and plaguesword 1 pt.

Thanks man, exalted!

Sharazad87 wrote:
Legion Focus: Alpha Legion

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/06/legion-focus-alpha-legion-aug6gw-homepage-post-2/

Dat Warlord Trait. Epicness.

That warlord trait will need a FAQ probably? The way it is worded it almost implies that if you first warlord has this trait, he dies, and his replacement takes a different warlord trait, you'd still only get the "slay the warlord" point if every character was dead, not just the new warlord.

I assume it doesn't work like that because the warlord trait only applies when a model with it is on the field, but it is still very oddly worded.

SilverAlien wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
yup! and plaguesword 1 pt.

Thanks man, exalted!

Sharazad87 wrote:
Legion Focus: Alpha Legion

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/06/legion-focus-alpha-legion-aug6gw-homepage-post-2/

Dat Warlord Trait. Epicness.

That warlord trait will need a FAQ probably? The way it is worded it almost implies that if you first warlord has this trait, he dies, and his replacement takes a different warlord trait, you'd still only get the "slay the warlord" point if every character was dead, not just the new warlord.

I assume it doesn't work like that because the warlord trait only applies when a model with it is on the field, but it is still very oddly worded.

Probably not. We've only seen the blurb for the rules. not the table available thats mentioned in it. could be pretty straightforward.

Select AL WL trait & generate on table not shown > WL get killed > Select new trait from table and AL legion trait & Warlord > repeat if dies. enemy only gets slay the warlord once all char's are killed.

As for not being on the table, you cant kill the warlord off the table unless playing matched play using reserves and he's left in reserve / Blowing up his transport. when he's killed the trait is activated at least. thats how i see it being interpreted.

OH BOY! Renegades AND Fallen tomorrow?! Hat daym!

I'm just really hoping for some fluffy Red Corsairs stuff.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
OH BOY! Renegades AND Fallen tomorrow?! Hat daym!

I'm just really hoping for some fluffy Red Corsairs stuff.

Advance and charge.

Oh is that what it was, I'll take it for pirate raiders.

Wow. Does that -1 to hit stack with other modifiers? -2 if the unit is in cover? -3 if that Alpha Legion unit in cover has the Daemon keyword with the Mark of Tzeentch and The Changelling nearby? (Possesed, Obliterators, Warptalons...)

Oh boy, that'd be cool. I would only need to wash my blue CSM with Coelia Greenshade to turn them AL.

 ochobits wrote:
Wow. Does that -1 to hit stack with other modifiers? -2 if the unit is in cover? -3 if that Alpha Legion unit in cover has the Daemon keyword with the Mark of Tzeentch and The Changelling nearby? (Possesed, Obliterators, Warptalons...)

Oh boy, that'd be cool. I would only need to wash my blue CSM with Coelia Greenshade to turn them AL.

-1 to hit while in cover? Don't you mean +1 to armour saves?

Yeah, its +1 to armor save when in cover.
I don't know why people keep thinking its a hit modifier. It's clearly stated in the rules for cover that it gives a bonus to armor.