So how is everyone enjoying 8th?

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**KTG17**

While I usually love starter sets, I have no plans on buying 8th, so I guess I am stepping back away from the hobby. I am not crazy about the Primaris marines, even though they properly reflect how marines probably should look, and dislike many of the units for them. I know you don't have to use them, but I just think they will eventually replace the normal marines as time goes by.

That being said, I am curious about the gameplay. . . is everyone enjoying the new rules?

**Elbows**

First time I've enjoyed 40K in 13 years.

**adamsouza**

Game play is smoother. Use the big rulebook to figure out the mission and deployment, and then you don't need it for the rest of the battle.

Already my favorite edition.

**ZenBadger**

Loving it. Particularly the way the reset button has been used so I can get back into the game without being at a massive disadvantage to long-term players. I didn't like the Primaris fluff either at first but it has grown on me - reading the novel Dark Imperium helped. Now considering a Primaris-only Smurf-force.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Gets a good vote from me.

I lapsed my gaming credentials around 6th Ed. Wasn't the game, was real life getting in the way.

With the way things escalated, I found it daunting to delve back in - and edition lag rules knowledge was made far worse.

But 8th? Only managed the one game so far, but found it pleasingly straight forward to play. Just need to make more time in the future!

**Stevefamine**

I'm now spending money on Gamesworkshop products...

It's great!

**JNAProductions**

Meh. I have fun with it, but prefer 7th edition.

I've never been in the tournament scene, so killer lists were never an issue with me, and I feel like 7th had more immersion and variety than 8th does so far.

**edbradders**

Back in 7th I had given up on 40k and had considered selling up. But then I heard about 8th coming out and being a complete change so I decided to hang on and see what it was like. I'm glad I did because it has rekindled my love for the game.

**Farseer_V2**

It has been a big hit in my gaming group. We went from 4 regular players to 9 - 3 returning and 2 new so that's been a big plus. There are of course a few hiccups and things I don't necessarily love, but none of them are deal breakers. Overall I'm enjoying it a great deal - and this comes from someone who did enjoy 7th as well. Right now I'm excited to attend some larger tournaments to see some new lists.

**Moosey2Juicy**

It is good enough to bring me back to the hobby for the first time since 3rd edition.

I am very much enjoying it.

**rhinoceraids**

Been loving it. Not having melta squads one shotting my tanks is awesome. Changes to flyers is great. Taking the arguing out of the game is amazing. Physic phase is great.

"Which of my several similar looking psykers did you kill and which knew invisibility? Does it matter?"

No arguing about firing arcs. Flyers aren't useless once they pass over units.

Weird rules about flamers are gone.

Not having to space out 2" and worry about templates.

No arguing about template angles.

Not having your 200pt unit mishap and die (well that was fun)

Having AP4 manticores being useless. Wow I hit your riptide. OH you failed your 2+. Anddddd....1 wound.

No formations giving free units. Or riptide wing.

Not worrying about LoS and whats covered.

Not worrying about vehicle sides. Is it front, is it side?

Not having drop pod spam.

No more books and books of rules that may or may not conflict with each other.

GW maybe putting out an FAQ every few years.

I can go on. Not saying 8th is perfect. But it is so far such a breath of fresh air. GW has put out how many FAQ's? Im optimistic. Plus with codexs rolling out its better than it's been in years.

**Marmatag**

I give it 7 stars out of 10.

Games are decided almost always before turn 3, and the top armies absolutely trounce the lower tier armies.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

We can also look to the second General's Handbook which is coming out very soon.

Yes, it's for Age of Sigmar - but it's functionally the same as what we're promised for Chapter Approved - new rules to offer new challenges, points tweaks, updates for armies.

If GW can crack that (and GH2 tidbits seem to be crowd pleasers so far), I'd say the game seems to be in the best shape since I started playing at the dawn of 2nd Ed (yes, I am old. Yes, GET OFF MY LAWN, DANG KIDS)

**Unit1126PLL**

I love it.

I think it strikes a balance between being able to field fluffy armies (e.g. superheavy tank companies or flyer wings) with playability (superheavy tanks are more vulnerable, flyer wings are unlikely to win games).

There are some flaws (it's not even close to flawless) but I have seen greater army variety and far far more fluffy armies than I did in 7th.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Disliked having to relearn some things (especially combat) but really like the fact that some of my older armies are finally viable again.

**Stormonu**

While I've only gotten 2 games in, there's no way I'm going back to 7th.

OP, if you don't want to invest any money but want to play, you can download the 8-page PDF rules off GW's site to give it a go. Or for minimal cost, pick up the $6-$8 "getting started" magazine (which comes with a nice "desktop display" primaris marine) has the same rules. As for army stats, there's plenty of (free) army builder software available so you could try out an army without having to invest in indexes or upcoming codexes.

**MagicJuggler**

I'm...painfully bored with it? I dislike the fact GW has doubled down on removing options for units they don't make models for, especially since I have to have both a Codex and an Index in order to play, just so I can field my Chaos Lord, due to him using a Disc of Tzeentch.

I dislike the fact they separated ICs from units, making it possible for them to fail an assault after the unit they're with makes it, and I actually dislike the removal of 7e Challenges (as I really found the 5th ed system of "an Independent Character counts as its own unit in an assault" to be clunky and exploitable). Of course, that doesn't particularly matter since a defender allocates all casualties anyway.

I dislike the usage of band-aid rules to give the illusion of balance. Honestly, I'm just not feeling 8th at all. I've mostly been sitting out, using the time to work on a minis backlog, write homebrew, and dream of running a Mordheim campaign. As a whole though, I dislike the AOSification of the game and am skipping this edition.

**3orangewhips**

After about 20 games and 1 tournament (FLGS), I can say this is the best the game has been since 3rd.

**Ratius**

Its good but not the best edition imho.

**Azog**

Haven't played 40k in the tabletop form (played a lot of the FFG RPGs) since 4th edition.

I like that most everything feels "useful" - no, not everything is "Conscript" or "Berserker" good, but most things feel useful.

I don't like knowing what my Ork and IG opponents felt like in 2nd edition when a Virus Missile came down on them before their first turn. "Glad you carted 200 minis with you and spent the time to deploy them, please pick up 75% of them. Ok, your turn."

Will 8th keep me interested enough to go to a tournament, even a local one? No. Will it be something I can do with a few of my friends in our basements on the weekends? Yeah, probably.

Being a Chaos player, I feel like fluffy armies are going to be handicapped unless all players agree to restrictions. \ I am going to field a World Eaters army, which means no psykers, predominantly melee, etc. etc. Your handicap is that you aren't taking flyers and more than one of any given type of unit (to prevent optimized spam).

**vipoid**

It has its ups and downs for me.

Positives:
- Gameplay is a lot smoother than 7th (every army doesn't have a million rules to remember)
- Things feel a lot more balanced (it's far from perfect but orders of magnitude better than what 7th offered)
- Infantry is no longer just target practise for Wraithknights and such.
- Necrons are no longer OP.
- Infantry-IG is viable.
- DE don't suck for once.

Negatives:
- Necron HQs not having RPs is really disappointing. As is quite a lot of Necron units being overly weak or expensive.
- On the other end of the scale, my infantry IG army feels a bit too strong, which is a little sad.
- DE HQs are abysmal.
- With a few exceptions, HQs in general are rather bland this edition. I think too much of their gear was stripped away, with Necron and DE HQs having virtually nothing (especially when it comes to non-weapon wargear). What's more, the DE HQ buffs are just terrible, making their HQs taxes rather than effective force-multipliers.
- Corsairs (my favourite army in 7th) have been axed entirely.

I'm hoping that the codices will fix at least some of my issues but I'm not optimistic.

Anyway, for now I'll lean towards the positive side.

**the_scotsman**

Terrific. Our group has never had more people this regularly in the time since I've been there.

**SideshowLucifer**

My favorite edition in a very long while. It has a few issues, but none of those issues make it feel as bland or painful to play as previous editions. With a little polish, I think 8th can be everything 2nd was without the bloat and complicated rules thrown in just because.

**alienux**

I love 8th.

**Lord Xcapobl**

vipoid wrote:

Negatives:
- Necron HQs not having RPs is really disappointing. As is quite a lot of Necron units being overly weak or expensive.

Then again, their characters are always a unit of 1 model, and RP doesn't work when a unit is completely destroyed. And don't forget their Living Metal rule, which all their characters get.

As for the OP's question; I like it so far. Haven't played a lot of games yet, but those I did play were refreshing. Loved seeing a couple of throw-backs to Rogue Trader and 2nd edition, loved seeing some new stuff too.

**vipoid**

Lord Xcapobl wrote:

Then again, their characters are always a unit of 1 model, and RP doesn't work when a unit is completely destroyed.

Sure. But that was the case in older editions as well - hence why characters had variations on the standard rule.

Lord Xcapobl wrote:
And don't forget their Living Metal rule, which all their characters get.

And which is pathetic and no substitute for coming back to life.

**ZebioLizard2**

I do miss more customizations for HQ's, but overall the feel has been very fun to play.

**Desubot**

Having Great fun.

only complaint may be the cover save system and how it interacts with some things.

but otherwise i like this system way more.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

I started playing at the tail end of 5th, and I barely remember it (I was still a child) and having played on and off through 6th and 7th I think 8th is great. I never really encountered the OP spam and formation abuse that ruined 7th for so many people, which maybe colours my view a little differently, but I enjoyed 7th (minus the psychic phase, which I never engaged with) and while 8th is a different kind of enjoyment for me, it's one that overall I like a little more. Also there is no way primaris are replacing normal marines for a very very long time, IMO it'll never happen.

**Frozocrone**

I find myself playing more and with people I've not played against more. I'm a regular for gaming nights now since it's much easier for pick up games.

Before I had a select group of people I used to game and even then got bored due to power creep and general arguments about rules.

No, 8th edition is not perfect. But I find it more enjoyable and I especially like the fact that Games Workshop are taking the time to improve the rules at a much faster rate than 'here's an FAQ, go nuts with houserules'.