Necromunda Underhive, new pics p 53

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**PsychoticStorm**

nicromancer wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted.

Oh that, can they just retire him and never ever use his art as inspiration ever again? his vision is what ruined the elegance of 40k and turned it into the "grimdark" visual waste it is today.

His vision was stellar in Mordheim, but nowhere else.

John blanches vision built the 40k universe, His artwork is in every edition and the contrast between his and jes goodwins style is what has given 40k it's unique blend of baroque eccentricity and sleek retro futurism.
necromunda back in the day was based almost entirely on blanches work, Making it without looking at his sketches would be stupid.

Jess and Priestly build and made 40k what it was, Chambers and Blanche devolved it to what it is, no surprise in Necromunda the only gangs I liked and the Gangs that were most popular were the ones designed by Jess and not the ones Blanch inspired.

The sleek elegant design of Jess were small details show the devolution of the sci fi elements of 40k are what it made it intriguing what separated it from other post apocalyptic settings, Blanche entire work is a blunt post apocalyptic sci fi barbarian with hellish visions thrown in for good measure.

Likewise Ricks Narrative was smart and elegant placing logical and everyday scenes in the uncanny valley were simple everyday things are jarringly out of place, Chambers took it to the comedic extreme.

**Yodhrin**

insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
The part that I like the most about this is the variation the new miniatures allow.

I mean, I love Necromunda, but at the end of the day they only ever released 17 Delaque miniatures, and 17 Cawdor miniatures and 20 (IIRC) Escher miniatures.

New plastic versions that can be given tons of different weapon options? That's fantastic. And including the things that just weren't around at the time (Needle Pistols, Web Pistols/Webbers, etc.) now that they have them in the CAD files, well that's even better.

Indeed, there's all sorts of potential there. My concern, from those pics, is that they look awfully tall... Will be a bit of a bummer if these are Primaris scale.

Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

While the 'comfort' of the old rules cleaned up seems easier, I'm not against some streamlining of the clunkier aspects of the 2nd edition rules. And 8th edition's cover rules certainly wouldn't be as stupid with 'units' all of 1 model...

It's not so much easier as it is a worry the community will end up split if the new rules aren't up to much - for all their flaws we know the old rules are fun, and a lot of those flaws could be fixed without any radical shifts, so my preference was that they stuck with the old rules to make sure we couldn't have a post-End Times WHFB community situation. As I say though, I'll reserve judgement.

**ekwatts**

I understand that not everyone is into Blanches art or design work; it's all subjective, of course. But so much of the look and style of 40k is basically torn right out of Blanche that his persistent detractors really do have to make some impressive leaps into their own fantasy in order to slate him.

John Blanche is as 40k, through and through, as much as Jes Goodwin and Rick Priestley. You might not like him, but don't go rewriting history in order to count him out.

**Starfarer**

Yodhrin wrote:
insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
The part that I like the most about this is the variation the new miniatures allow.

I mean, I love Necromunda, but at the end of the day they only ever released 17 Delaque miniatures, and 17 Cawdor miniatures and 20 (IIRC) Escher miniatures.

New plastic versions that can be given tons of different weapon options? That's fantastic. And including the things that just weren't around at the time (Needle Pistols, Web Pistols/Webbers, etc.) now that they have them in the CAD files, well that's even better.

Indeed, there's all sorts of potential there. My concern, from those pics, is that they look awfully tall... Will be a bit of a bummer if these are Primaris scale.

Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

While the 'comfort' of the old rules cleaned up seems easier, I'm not against some streamlining of the clunkier aspects of the 2nd edition rules. And 8th edition's cover rules certainly wouldn't be as stupid with 'units' all of 1 model...

It's not so much easier as it is a worry the community will end up split if the new rules aren't up to much - for all their flaws we know the old rules are fun, and a lot of those flaws could be fixed without any radical shifts, so my preference was that they stuck with the old rules to make sure we couldn't have a post-End Times WHFB community situation. As I say though, I'll reserve judgement.

I understand the desire to just fix what was arguably the best system GW ever produced. But after 20 damn years I'm ready for something fresh. It sounds like they are keeping with the spirit of the original, but modernizing it, as well as pulling old concepts from Rogue Trader. If they really do take great aspects from all the sources, I am optimistic it will be a ton of fun.

And to be perfectly honest, after 20 years I think a minimal update would grow old quickly, as ultimately it would just be more of the same. As good as those rules are, I can see myself playing them for another 20 years.

**Geifer**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Again via Anthony - Yaktribe.org

From LittlePlasicSoldiers

"We have an info dump of information for you from speaking to the amazing Specialist Games veteran designer Andy Hoare at The Forge World Open Day 2017.

So we are broadly looking at a game based on the 8th Edition 40k mechanics, but tailored to skirmish warfare. We see the edition of Action Points, that can be used to active gangers in a similar way to how Space Hulk works. Different actions will cost different points, such as activating a Heavy will cost two Action Points, whereas your run of the mill Ganger will cost only one.

We are looking at a release schedule much like BloodBlowl, this is the ‘Preview’, launch of the initial box set will follow in the same sort of timescale as from when BloodBowl was ‘Previewed’ then launched.

The box itself will contain the Escher and Goliath gangers we have seen already, the rules, accoutrements and most likely Shadow War terrain. The Specialist Games studio do not have the resources to produce terrain solely for Necromunda, so they are trail blazing the Shadow War release with all the cool terrain that was released with that boxed set, and subsequently in individual kits until present. The rules will allow for play in the way we are used to on gangways, ramps and gantries, but also in tunnels making use of the Zone Mortalis tiles available from Forge World.

We will see all the gangs from Hive Primus return, along with the gangs from Outlanders and Fanatic. We will also see new gangs and some expansion of the fluff on Necromunda.

HIVE SECONDUS was written about in the Fanatic days, a Hive overrun by Genstealer cult, nuked by the Necromunda Defence Forces to rid the planet of the infestation. However, the hive toppled on its side with most of the Cultists surviving resulting in the Defence Forces building a large trench system in the surrounding Ash Wastes to isolate the remains of the Hive from the rest f the planet. It is hinted we will be visiting this intreaging story in the future!

We will be posting updates as we get them!"

I want to say basing this game on 8th 40k is a recipe for disaster, but hopefully that's just marketing talk and they rewrote the whole thing (as implied by "tailored to skirmish warfare) and put way, way more thought into it.. I guess we'll see.

I like that they let Escher take front stage, and I say that as someone who liked the vanilla appearance of Orlocks. GW could do with a lot more good female models. More importantly, female human models. Those are stupidly hard to come by for some reason.

The paint job on the shown Escher is all kinds of dodgy, though. Like someone painted them who was told what the eighties were like, but never saw them themselves.

Goliaths are Goliaths. No surprise there. They're growing muscles on muscles now, it seems.

As someone with limited terrain options at my local store, I like the suggestion there might be integration of tunnel fighting. Necromunda had a nice vertical element, but a bit of variety doesn't go amiss.

It's good that they focus on classic gangs first and that there may be Genestealer Cultists. Well, rules for them anyway. The models are here and ready to be used. Would be a shame if we had to wait. Hopefully they'll go the same route as with Bloodbowl and release a PDF get you by list for them.

**Kanluwen**

I would looooove to know how/if we're getting Arbites.

**Theophony**

Time for a third job

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**Vorian**

Kanluwen wrote:
I would looooove to know how/if we're getting Arbites.

Given that about 9/10 requests are for Arbites there must be a pretty good chance GW will pick up on it!

**ImAGeek**

Kanluwen wrote:
I would looooove to know how/if we're getting Arbites.

They've said they're doing all the old gangs.

**giantearlessgnome**

Hopefully that includes the spyre hunters, I used to love the two malcadon sculpts and their fluff.

**Insurgency Walker**

I must admit that while I don't like how vehicles play out in 8th the small scale shooting stabbing parts work well enough that I think it could be tweaked into a solid game. Fear some size creep but if the miniatures scale with that new inquisition 'grey what's her name' figure I'll be happy.

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Wonder if we will see a maddonna and Bonnie figure, or if they will be inspired by a more contemporary pop idol.

**foenixphate**

Here's a thought, maybe we will see the old gang metals back as made2order as well satisfying everyone who always wanted them.

**Insurgency Walker**

Kanluwen wrote:
I would looooove to know how/if we're getting Arbites.

Arbites were an original gang, so I imagine yes we will see Arbites.

**Kanluwen**

foenixphate wrote:
Here's a thought, maybe we will see the old gang metals back as made2order as well satisfying everyone who always wanted them.

Given that I don't believe we ever got the "Made to Order: Order"...I'd doubt that will be the case.

**Warhams-77**

There will be plastic Arbites according to Atia on B&C last year with new Necromunda

**Insurgency Walker**

foenixphate wrote:
Here's a thought, maybe we will see the old gang metals back as made2order as well satisfying everyone who always wanted them.

I think I hear the crying of eBay sellers

**foenixphate**

Insurgency Walker wrote:
foenixphate wrote:
Here's a thought, maybe we will see the old gang metals back as made2order as well satisfying everyone who always wanted them.

I think I hear the crying of eBay sellers

I know, isn't it delicious.

**Theophony**

Insurgency Walker wrote:
foenixphate wrote:
Here's a thought, maybe we will see the old gang metals back as made2order as well satisfying everyone who always wanted them.

I think I hear the crying of eBay sellers

It sounds delicious.

**ekwatts**

Were they considered a legit gang? I never, ever treated them as such. As far as I remember, the whole point of the Arbites was to act as a campaign balancer; if you ended up slated to fight a stupidly powerful gang, you fielded an Arbites force instead because they were pretty much guaranteed to tear through even a very advanced gang.

I doubt they'll miss the opportunity to add Arbites in, however, and I'd buy a box in a flash, but I'm not as mad about their old rules. Hopefully, a new ruleset will lead to them being a more realistically balanced force.

**Vorian**

There were Enforcers, not Arbites. Different things.

**Kanluwen**

Vorian wrote:
There were Enforcers, not Arbites. Different things.

They were sold as "Adeptus Arbites Enforcers".

**Insurgency Walker**

ekwatts wrote:
Were they considered a legit gang? I never, ever treated them as such. As far as I remember, the whole point of the Arbites was to act as a campaign balancer; if you ended up slated to fight a stupidly powerful gang, you fielded an Arbites force instead because they were pretty much guaranteed to tear through even a very advanced gang.

I doubt they'll miss the opportunity to add Arbites in, however, and I'd buy a box in a flash, but I'm not as mad about their old rules. Hopefully, a new ruleset will lead to them being a more realistically balanced force.

They were sold as a gang box set.

**foenixphate**

Wouldn't shock me at this point if Enforcers became a unit for regular 40k as well as an ally to other Imperial forces on the planet.

**Insurgency Walker**

foenixphate wrote:
Wouldn't shock me at this point if Enforcers became a unit for regular 40k as well as an ally to other Imperial forces on the planet.

They were, its called imperial guard shot gun vets

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Insurgency Walker wrote:
foenixphate wrote:
Wouldn't shock me at this point if Enforcers became a unit for regular 40k as well as an ally to other Imperial forces on the planet.

They were, its called imperial guard shot gun vets

ya dig?

**Elemental**

General Helstrom wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm of the opposite opinion - my one disappointment with Blood Bowl was that they didn't take the opportunity to build a slicker, more '2017' set of rules. As it is I now have a wonderfully produced game with beautiful figures that no-one wants to play with me because it takes forever to even get to half-time :( A new set of skirmish rules, especially if it has a new activation system, sounds amazing!

I just really, really hope they come up with a decent campaign system. The random stuff between missions was the biggest cause of attrition in the last campaign I played in, and a good or bad run of luck there could often make the actual games feel inconsequential.

But hyped, all the same.

**Vorian**

Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
There were Enforcers, not Arbites. Different things.

They were sold as "Adeptus Arbites Enforcers".

http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0018-02.htm

They're Enforcers, they were locally recruited and not part of the Arbites - if I remember correctly

**Insurgency Walker**

Vorian wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
There were Enforcers, not Arbites. Different things.

They were sold as "Adeptus Arbites Enforcers".

http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0018-02.htm

They're Enforcers, they were locally recruited and not part of the Arbites - if I remember correctly

Ok, the enforcers were to the AA as a PDF is to IG(AM). However they were based on the structure of the arbites, and performed the job of the arbites for the imperial comander, (also commander of the arbites)

**Loopstah**

New Necromunda is fantastic news.

Tons of new conversion and bits options for cultists and Renegade mutants and militia is even better news.

**anab0lic**

Pretty sure if this sells well enough we will be getting a new Mordheim sometime in 2018.

**Vorian**

Insurgency Walker wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
There were Enforcers, not Arbites. Different things.

They were sold as "Adeptus Arbites Enforcers".

http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0018-02.htm

They're Enforcers, they were locally recruited and not part of the Arbites - if I remember correctly

Ok, the enforcers were to the AA as a PDF is to IG(AM). However they were based on the structure of the arbites, and performed the job of the arbites for the imperial comander, (also commander of the arbites)

Exactly:

"However, while the Adeptus Arbites are responsible for
ensuring that Imperial Decrees are obeyed across the galaxy,
the role of everyday control and policing usually falls to local
security forces, working under the orders of the Imperial
Commander and his staff. Such is the case on Necromunda,
where policing is carried out by Necromunda Enforcers."

I presume a lot of people are wanting Arbites to double up for 40k too, rather than just Enforcers