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Now I have basically every old model there is outside of the very rare stuff - but I don't feel GW should be obligated to keep in scale with 21 year old models at all.

They are 21 years old! Make them at the modern 40k scale.

New Escher look great? I'm in.

Vorian wrote:
Now I have basically every old model there is outside of the very rare stuff - but I don't feel GW should be obligated to keep in scale with 21 year old models at all.

They are 21 years old! Make them at the modern 40k scale.

Nobody is saying GW are obligated to release new models in the same scale as the old range. They can use whatever scale they want.

A customer saying that the scale determines whether or not they will buy a product is not a statement that the company has an obligation to use a particular scale.

Wow, if those are a taste of what the new models are going to look like that's pretty awesome. I'd really like to see them take the rasta ash waste nomads look someone had in the old Gang War magazine and use that, although I guess the Ratskin's are going to be pretty sweet.

 insaniak wrote:

A customer saying that the scale determines whether or not they will buy a product is not a statement that the company has an obligation to use a particular scale.

And nor is it indicative of a majority of customers.

I prefer the taller scale as it allows less "heroic" proportions.

PS: 40K has never been a scale game. ^_~

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

A customer saying that the scale determines whether or not they will buy a product is not a statement that the company has an obligation to use a particular scale.

And nor is it indicative of a majority of customers.

I prefer the taller scale as it allows less "heroic" proportions.

PS: 40K has never been a scale game. ^_~

All this talk of scale, I had to check and make sure I wasn't at Allspark, Seibertron, TFW, or some other Transformers board.

I suppose I should start grumbling about having to build a Necromunda table now.

My best friend mentioned vaguely wanting to play Mordheim and I built a whole damn table...grrrr...might end up doing that again.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

A customer saying that the scale determines whether or not they will buy a product is not a statement that the company has an obligation to use a particular scale.

And nor is it indicative of a majority of customers.

I prefer the taller scale as it allows less "heroic" proportions.

PS: 40K has never been a scale game. ^_~

All this talk of scale, I had to check and make sure I wasn't at Allspark, Seibertron, TFW, or some other Transformers board.

Fellow Transfan?

Loving all the necro stuff, cant wait for more news and photos

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Chairman Aeon wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

A customer saying that the scale determines whether or not they will buy a product is not a statement that the company has an obligation to use a particular scale.

And nor is it indicative of a majority of customers.

If people are going to keep countering arguments that nobody actually made, this thread is going to get weird really quickly...

 Galas wrote:

Old Necromunda Escher are actually taller than current Space Marines.

Only if you count the hair.

 youwashock wrote:
New Escher look great? I'm in.

They do look incredible i'm definitely going to get a few boxes to not only use in necromunda but to also use as chaos cultists in 40k, it will be nice to mix in some female cultists to diversify the mob.

After monkeyballistics post and then doing the same and putting my ruler to the screen I'm a lot happier about the size of the minis now (especially if their in combat heals)

Need to see more factions!
Hope Escher will be in the starter box

I think the new models look great. I can't wait to see cawdor, redemption and scavy. I never really played with any of the outlanders gangs since they were already oop and the rules impossible to easily find by the time I got into necromunda.

I would also like to note that these ganger models will be huge for people looking for chaos cultists and inquisition goons. Will make a lot of good bases for conversations let alone with the right paint jobs will probably pass with little to no conversations.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Need to see more factions!
Hope Escher will be in the starter box

Escher is in the starter box.

I am really hoping they are scaled (sized) appropriately in relation to the new Primaris'. (Please no rants on the scale issue, just shut up Meg. One way ticket to mute you town!)

I too hope they are scaled well. The Goliath lads are perfect as Brutes for Marauder squads, since they look worthy of 3 wounds.

I would be quite guttered though if the majority of the gangers ended up being way taller than normal guardsmen, cultists etc.

Oooohhh what if that rumour engine image from a while ago with the banner thingy that people thought it was either a SoB banner or part from a Minostorum Priest. What if it's a part from the Redemptionists or Cawdor?

The one on platform shoes stands pretty tall.. I mean.. is anyone surprised by that? The one that is in regular boots looks normal to me.. The Goliath all look pretty normal. As per usual, we won't really know until we have them in hand.

I will say that I do hope that isn't going to be the common size for all the Goliath pistols.

I'm kinda hoping that is some form of grenade launcher or rotating shotgun.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I am really hoping they are scaled appropriately to the new Primaris (scale).

Primaris weren't re-scaled, they were re-proportioned. The heads and hands remained the same scale and the body had it's proportions adjusted to match the lore. Humans are human scale as they should be (28-32ishmm to the eye depending on intended height). I know most people aren't going to understand the distinction but humans are meant to be the baseline. If they make humans bigger, then everything else will have to be bigger. That's how setting a scale works.

That said.. if you meant to say you hope the humans are reproportioned as to not have giant balloon hands and feet and truncated abdomens.. then yes.. I agree. The average human (heroic scaled) should be 8 heads high and the width of 2 hands should be about the width of their face. The chest should be about 2 heads wide. Elbows should rest at the ribcage and fingertips in a lowered and relaxed arm should rest mid-thigh. Knees should be about the middle of the leg. These are all basic landmarks that I had to learn as an illustrator. They are guidelines and not rules but the further you get from these, the more the look will start to skew. By comparison.. you establish scale by saying.. on a average human, eye level at this scale (regardless of all this talk about overblown 25mm or 28mm isn't a real scale.. ).. once you declare that this is a base unit of measurement, then you have said that in the scale for this game, 28mm = ~5' (or average eye level according to google). If something in this scale is meant to stand 8' tall, then you'll want to add just under half of that again to properly represent 8'. This will be roughly 40mm for a roughly 8' figure. Guess how tall Primaris are..

Sorry for being off-topic but I keep seeing people talking about scale and proportions and it's been irking me.

As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:







Both the Escers and the Goliaths are about a head taller than the previous metal miniatures - and about the same height as more recent releases.
Also, as you can see, the height of GW miniatures vary alot (just as people IRL).

For the record, that big fellow you put in the middle is a conversion if you weren't aware.

A godly conversion at that.

Ken doing the Emperor's work! I wish Exalts would show or something.

While I still have all my old metal Escher gangers somewhere, I think I'll use the Second Coming of Necromunda as a good excuse to hunker down and really work on my Raging Heroes Jailbirds models.

By the way, anyone want to start a betting pool to see how long it takes for Raging Heroes to have a Necromunda-inspired sale for their Jailbirds models?

 MLaw wrote:
For the record, that big fellow you put in the middle is a conversion if you weren't aware.

They are all my minis, the big fella is just the free AoS mini I got with White Dwarf, he is no taller than the original one (not counting the Duardin/Dwarf mohawk).

Wow coming online to all this I needed new trousers...

kendoka wrote:As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:

Spoiler:

Both the Escers and the Goliaths are about a head taller than the previous metal miniatures - and about the same height as more recent releases.
Also, as you can see, the height of GW miniatures vary alot (just as people IRL).

My oh my great work putting that together thx!

MLaw wrote:For the record, that big fellow you put in the middle is a conversion if you weren't aware.

lol it's his model.

Note that all the new Necromundians blend in fine with the older GW minis - well, except for the transgender Goliath with the red bra, that is

This said, I am really pleased that GW dropped the "Tom of Finland" look for the Goliaths (NSFW?):

Isnt Greyfax on a 32mm base?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Isnt Greyfax on a 32mm base?

Yes, she was.
I cut her loose and reattached her on a 25 mm base just for this group shot.

I put all miniatures (except for the unreleased Necromundians) next to each other when I took the photos - so their relative sizes are exactly correct. Note however that I have washers (to add weight and to be able to use magnetic trays) under a few of the bases - and that some minis have rather high scenic bases.

Brother Aiwass on B&C correcting the height of boots difference to better compare the actual scale of the bodies



They arent much different

 kendoka wrote:
As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:

Thanks for that.

So yes, as feared, they're gigantic.


I might be excited enough about new models to wait and see how they actually look mixed in with the old models... if it's not too glaring on the tabletop, then it can just pass off as normal human variation, although it makes conversions between them trickier. But it's certainly dulled my enthusiasm considerably.