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argonak wrote: And the alternating activations they've mentioned really has my attention.....Its been since Epic 40k that they tried that.
Not to be pedantic, but Epic: Armageddon also used Alternate Activation, as did the rather excellent Betrayal at Calth. I have a feeling that some design principles may have made it from Calth to here - talk of Action Points for example. The pinning mechanism being that weapons such as bolters remove Tactical Points, reducing enemy actions. Works extremely well, and gives an actual reason to value a basic weapon.
Hey, I heard that Calth and Necromunda were the same designer...
argonak wrote: And the alternating activations they've mentioned really has my attention.....Its been since Epic 40k that they tried that.
Not to be pedantic, but Epic: Armageddon also used Alternate Activation, as did the rather excellent Betrayal at Calth. I have a feeling that some design principles may have made it from Calth to here - talk of Action Points for example. The pinning mechanism being that weapons such as bolters remove Tactical Points, reducing enemy actions. Works extremely well, and gives an actual reason to value a basic weapon.
Hey, I heard that Calth and Necromunda were the same designer...
Now if true that is an interesting bit of information. Gives me hope on quality and balance.
argonak wrote: And the alternating activations they've mentioned really has my attention.....Its been since Epic 40k that they tried that.
Not to be pedantic, but Epic: Armageddon also used Alternate Activation, as did the rather excellent Betrayal at Calth. I have a feeling that some design principles may have made it from Calth to here - talk of Action Points for example. The pinning mechanism being that weapons such as bolters remove Tactical Points, reducing enemy actions. Works extremely well, and gives an actual reason to value a basic weapon.
Hey, I heard that Calth and Necromunda were the same designer...
Now if true that is an interesting bit of information. Gives me hope on quality and balance.
The man behind (the rather excellent) Calth is James Hewitt, who is currently also busy doing the alternatingly activating Adeptus Titanicus ruleset. It would not surprise me to see that he would also be in this project, given that the non-main games design team isn't very large. Which is a very good thing.
It would make me very happy to have a Calth-like rule set for Newcromunda, as it is thus far ruleswise the best thing GW has produced for years
You know, I've pretty much moved completely away from 40k and into AoS at this point, but damned if I'm not super excited for this release. I'm too new to the hobby to have ever played classic Necromunda, but it sounds fun as hell. Really like the Escher models, but I can't wait to see the other gangs!
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Only in July, so potentially after all the work on Necromunda was finalised?
Yep, pretty much.
Sherrypie wrote:The man behind (the rather excellent) Calth is James Hewitt, who is currently also busy doing the alternatingly activating Adeptus Titanicus ruleset. It would not surprise me to see that he would also be in this project, given that the non-main games design team isn't very large. Which is a very good thing.
Actually, Titanicus has been done for a while. The rules were shown off at the Heresy Weekender in February. (And yeah, the Specialist Games team only had one writer / game designer...)
Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
What a coincidence, his twitter is the same as your dakka profile... wait....
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Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
Wait... wow. In this case... your games are great! Really, really great and fun. I wish you luck in your new working-career!
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
Wait... wow. In this case... your games are great! Really, really great and fun. I wish you luck in your new working-career!
Ha! Thanks, glad you've enjoyed them. I do what I can. None of it's a solo job though, there are always loads of other awesome people giving input and point out stupid mistakes and fixing things. (At least, there were. Now I literally am working alone. Oops.)
EDIT: for example, I meant to write "pointing" and instead I wrote "point". See what I mean? I can barely writey sentences goodly.
EDIT EDIT: Enough about me though, get this thread back on topic before the mods notice.
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All those rulesets that have been released are good apart from the Sylvaneth Battletome, I keep looking track of all their special abilities and some of the units and abilities were just ( and I hate using this term) too overpowered.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
Well I should have put 2 and 2 together. Now I feel mildy embarrassed. Really enjoyed the stuff you did at GW and looking forward to whatever comes next.
Chikout wrote: Yup. James Hewlett is active on twitter. He was the lead rules writer on betrayal at Calth, silver tower, Gorechosen, the slyvaneth battletome, bloodbowl, adeptus Titanicus and he said on twitter that Necromunda was his last job before leaving.
As has been said the rules for Adepticus Titanicus were complete a while ago.
He has since started up his own company called Needy cat games.
His resume pretty much encompasses the best GW products of the last three years, so I am pretty confident that Necromunda will be a very good game.
You can find him on twitter at @lagoon83, if anyone's interested.
Somewhere to complain if the abomination that is Ambush isn't fixed properly - yay
H.B.M.C. wrote:That sounds like a good idea to me.
I know not everyone liked them, but I thought the House weapon lists were a good idea, and not just to stop the proliferation of swords across all gangs.
I liked the house weapon lists, especially as tweaked by the NCE edition. IIRC the GW lists in "Underhive" made some weapons that the stock-from-GW-figures came modeled with illegal in starting gangs, but the NCE fixed that and did a bit of balancing as well.
I think house weapon lists are a great way to add a bit of variety in the gangs without extended weapon lists and are akin to the differences in skill charts.
MajorWesJanson wrote:Or have mostly shared weapons, but different gangs having different patterns, for visual distinctiveness.
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They apparently made 2 unique gangs and the rest had almost all the same weapons. This pic isn't the clearest but gives some idea of this.
They were very deliberate about giving escher and Van Saar their own look and that extended to making gang specific sculpts of almost every weapon, but the other 4 gangs share weapons.
Looking here will give you a slightly clearer example:http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/11/welcome-to-the-underhive-minis-of-necromunda.html
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I certainly wasn't fond of the house weapon lists. It didn't make much sense in the fluff, and it made it more difficult for people to kit out their converted models.
Having said all that, I'll think people will be more amenable to it if it's there from the beginning this time around as they won't notice their options being restricted.
Eilif wrote: In the original Necromunda that was mostly the case. There was some crossover, but by and large the gang each had their own version of the Lasgun, autogun, and the various pistols.
Going by that pic, everyone had identical lasguns and autoguns, with the exception of Escher and Van Saar. Kinda makes sense since they're probably mostly nicked from the PDF.
Cosmic Schwung wrote: I certainly wasn't fond of the house weapon lists. It didn't make much sense in the fluff, and it made it more difficult for people to kit out their converted models.
Having said all that, I'll think people will be more amenable to it if it's there from the beginning this time around as they won't notice their options being restricted.
Eilif wrote: In the original Necromunda that was mostly the case. There was some crossover, but by and large the gang each had their own version of the Lasgun, autogun, and the various pistols.
Going by that pic, everyone had identical lasguns and autoguns, with the exception of Escher and Van Saar. Kinda makes sense since they're probably mostly nicked from the PDF.
You know what, you're right!
Sorry about that. (I edited my comment above.)
I do hope the new versions are unique like the Van Saar and Escher of old though it won't matter too much to me as Goliath is probably the only gang I'll be collecting since I have a gang for each of the other major underhive houses already.
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The house gang weapons were't nicked from the PDF, I think; rather they were taken directly from the manufacturing lines assembling the weapons.
Interestingly, the other four Houses used the same pattern lasgun as the Imperial Guard, but Catachan used the same laspistol as House Orlock while Cadia, Mordian and Praetoria used the same weapon as the Escher. The house Escher boltgun is also similar in design to the one used by the Soriritas.
Killionaire wrote: I never get this line of thinking.
"Wow, you made the models look better! How DARE you! Now my old ones look bad by comparison!"
How about 'Those new miniatures are bigger, but they still look like gak! How DARE YOU make them look bigger and worse!'
Which is how I feel about a lot of recent 40K and most AoS releases.
Bigger does not mean better looking - sometimes it just means that it it is easier to spot that the model looks like crap.
Bigger just means bigger.
If the model looks better as well, then all is fine - but the two do not necessarily dance together, hand in hand.
So, do not put words in people's mouths - it gets them cranky.
I am really looking forward to the new Necromunda - I am planning on using Victoria Miniatures Victorian Guard as Van Saar.
So I am not all that married to whether the official Necromunda minis look good or not.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The house gang weapons were't nicked from the PDF, I think; rather they were taken directly from the manufacturing lines assembling the weapons.
Interestingly, the other four Houses used the same pattern lasgun as the Imperial Guard, but Catachan used the same laspistol as House Orlock while Cadia, Mordian and Praetoria used the same weapon as the Escher. The house Escher boltgun is also similar in design to the one used by the Soriritas.
I think it's mostly just a factor of who designed them, although the pistols thing is interesting.
The Escher were designed by Jes Goodwin who also designed the Soritas.
The Van Saar were designed by Gary Morley.
The Orlocks, Cawdor, and Delaque were all designed by the Perry twins who also designed the 2e metal Imperial Guard and I imagine the plastic Catachans as well.
The Goliaths were also designed by Gary Morley, so it's interesting that he gave them the Perry guns rather than something else. Maybe the Van Saar stuff would have looked too small or too advanced on them.
Ratskins and Scavvies were also designed by the Perrys and had the same Perry guns.
Redemptionists were Morley and had mainly Perry guns with IIRC a Jes Goodwin/Escher shotgun, plus some unique special weapons.
There were a few one-offs (even apart from the Van Saar); I always liked the Orlock ganger and Ratskin Scout with the side-by-side break-action shotgun.
By the way, the Perry's autogun was intended to be reminiscent of the AK-47, while Jes' one is based on the M-16. Some later models from the Specialist Games releases mixed things up by having Escher-style autoguns with banana mags.
I realise that the weapons was just down to the designer, but I like the idea that different Houses had the contracts to supply different Imperial organisations.
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