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 BjornRuss wrote:
You didn't have read ? The gangs are multiparts kit, composed of 4 different body. And the kits containts heavy.

Ah, fair enough, still interesting how much variety of heavy weapons they'll manage to get out there.

Vorian wrote:

 BjornRuss wrote:
You didn't have read ? The gangs are multiparts kit, composed of 4 different body. And the kits containts heavy.

Ah, fair enough, still interesting how much variety of heavy weapons they'll manage to get out there.

I would put good money on each gang sprue having the Heavy Stubber as well as what ever else as its pretty much the "got enough credits to get a heavy weapon" weapon.

I could see chaos cultists and genestealer cult gang rules as a White Dwarf article.

It would be any easy way to supplement gang diversity without investing any additional money on GWs part

It's the upgrade kits that interest me most - with the Escher wielding a needle rifle mentioned specifically on the WC article introducing them. Really hope they also include additional heads in them as well.

I'm mostly looking forward to clapping eyes on the sprues.

I mean, GW has done really well of late when it comes to ramming the kits chockfull of bits and pieces. That encourages me that we'll get plenty of options with each Gang - even if they can be easily shared between kits.

It is quite hard to find good looking 3rd party necro gangs. Sure you can have that one delague-inspired gang, maybe scratch-build some muties or other scum. But other than that options are really limited.

I blew away some money trying different alternatives including many tips from a long yaktribe discussion for alternative models. First of all it was very expensive and scale was very hit & miss. But worst was the gang I ended up with was just a rag-tag team of different designs, nothing to unify them.

So really looking forward to GW doing this properly. Probably it will come at a nice price as a bonus.

I am very fond of the Raging Heroes Jailbirds as alternate Escher - my good lady is even working out a backstory. (Basically, an Escher gang that took over a prison facility.)

I am planning on using Victoria Lamb's Victorian Guard as my Van Saar - just because I want steampunk Van Saar....

The Auld Grump

I'm a huge fan of normal humans in the 40k universe. Inquisitorial henchmen, the most human of genestealer cultists, chaos cultists, guardsmen, gangers, arbites, priests, etc.,. So I'm definitely interested in the miniatures (less so the goliaths).

I'm also interested in the rules if they allow a greater range of normal humans to be represented in an interesting way but are easy enough to do fan expansions for. My friends don't all share my love for normal humans in 40k and I'm going to need to come up with stuff for Eldar, Tau and even marines if the rules are going to see regular use. If that can't work, it'll just be a board game that gets pulled out every now and again and a campaign won't happen.

Given that Shadow War already exists, you may wonder why I'm bothering. The truth is that SW:A and original Necromunda don't play well for all people. The pinning mechanic and IGOUGO turns means it's easy to have "do nothing" games. This can be especially annoying for new players.

My hope is that the alternating activation takes the sting out of that and prevents our largest problem with original necromunda and shadow war. Not playing the game while you are playing a game.

Do you think there will be an increase in the market for the old Necromunda models once the new game is released ?

I'd imagine there will be a short lived spike followed by a rapid decline as new models in a larger scale start coming out.

Escher wouldnbe my bet to be the exception to the rule, and be more in demand. But all the dude bro armies from Goliaths to Arbites are gonna be replaced by sweet sweet plastic crack.

I'd suspect an initial crash as a lot of folk with old metal minis who are no longer really in the gaming loop realise they might be able to sell them

then a recovery as people who always thought they'd never afford to get the old stuff they always wanted start grabbing them, but not quite to the old level

although anything that doesn't get a release in Newcromunda may well command a premium if GW do keep supporting the line

There's also made to order to consider, if GW offers anything.

I thought they weren't up-scaling the humans in 40K, or not nearly as much as they are in AoS? Have we seen comparison shots of the new Escher alongside older GW human models?

Fingers crossed they're stopping that damn scale creep!

The new plastocs are so much better than the old metal figs that i cant see why would want to but the old one. Hope the price rise ul though, cause i have a ton to sell

 pancakeonions wrote:
I thought they weren't up-scaling the humans in 40K, or not nearly as much as they are in AoS? Have we seen comparison shots of the new Escher alongside older GW human models?

Fingers crossed they're stopping that damn scale creep!

Nah they're huge. I mean the Goliaths alone are on Marine-sized basis, if that tells you anything.

 streetsamurai wrote:
The new plastocs are so much better than the old metal figs that i cant see why would want to but the old one. Hope the price rise ul though, cause i have a ton to sell

To be honest, the old Escher figures seem nicer then the full preview of the new Escher gang. I am happy I own like 3 full gangs worth.

 streetsamurai wrote:
The new plastocs are so much better than the old metal figs that i cant see why would want to but the old one. Hope the price rise ul though, cause i have a ton to sell

I asked Andy Hoare (product manager at Specialist Games) on FB, and he said the scale is the same as all other recent GW plastics. So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger than the old metals.

I - for one - am looking to see what they do with the other gangs after the boxed set comes out, particularly the Enforcers/Arbites...

Updated models for them have the potential to be really interesting.

 Mymearan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
The new plastocs are so much better than the old metal figs that i cant see why would want to but the old one. Hope the price rise ul though, cause i have a ton to sell

I asked Andy Hoare (product manager at Specialist Games) on FB, and he said the scale is the same as all other recent GW plastics. So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger than the old metals.

Yeah, you're looking at about a head taller than the old metals, give or take. Personally it's not a problem, but I can understand if people don't want that kind of variation in their collection.

Me, I'd be more concerned about just how wide Goliaths are.

 schoon wrote:
I - for one - am looking to see what they do with the other gangs after the boxed set comes out, particularly the Enforcers/Arbites...

Something tells me you'll be waiting a while for those.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 schoon wrote:
I - for one - am looking to see what they do with the other gangs after the boxed set comes out, particularly the Enforcers/Arbites...

Something tells me you'll be waiting a while for those.

I hope you're wrong on that part. Really looking forward to what comes out with this.
Especially with the Imperial Guard conversion potential.

I'd like to see a Necromunda tie-in used as an excuse to finally give us a multi-part Chaos Cultist kit. But then, I'd just like to see a multi-part Chaos Cultist kit, and using it in Necromunda would be gravy.

Failing that, some alt heads for the Cawdor gang box might work. Cawdor were the gang I tried to play back in the day. Alas, their skills were all close combat focused, and the ganger models were all metal and clutching rifle-type weapons into their chest. Hopefully a plastic Cawdor box will finally allow me to have a proper pack of religious berzerker loonies on the side of the Emperor...

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
The new plastocs are so much better than the old metal figs that i cant see why would want to but the old one. Hope the price rise ul though, cause i have a ton to sell

To be honest, the old Escher figures seem nicer then the full preview of the new Escher gang. I am happy I own like 3 full gangs worth.

I agree. The hair doesn't look as nice, and the clean core of the old Escher outfit has become more cluttered.

 adamsouza wrote:
Do you think there will be an increase in the market for the old Necromunda models once the new game is released ?

Yes, I think there will be a bump in interest for the old models. I don't think prices will skyrocket, however.

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

No upscaling from the current scale.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

Maybe actually read the post next time and not just a few words in the middle

 ImAGeek wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

No upscaling from the current scale.

Which is not what people are generally talking about.

Whether or not an Escher model for Necromunda is the same size as a GSC model from 40k is far less relevant than whether or not it's the same size as an Escher model from Necromunda.

 insaniak wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

No upscaling from the current scale.

Which is not what people are generally talking about.

Whether or not an Escher model for Necromunda is the same size as a GSC model from 40k is far less relevant than whether or not it's the same size as an Escher model from Necromunda.

It answers the question though? They’re bigger than the metals, but in line with modern models. Whether that’s an issue is an individual thing, but it makes sense considering they were made now and not 15 years ago. Makes more sense to make them compatible with today’s kits.

 insaniak wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...

Er...

No upscaling from the current scale.

Which is not what people are generally talking about.

Whether or not an Escher model for Necromunda is the same size as a GSC model from 40k is far less relevant than whether or not it's the same size as an Escher model from Necromunda.

Of course not. People expect a modern GW model to be in the same scale as all other modern GW models. To expect or even want them to be in scale with 25 year old metals is baffling, and I say this as someone with a huge Necromunda metal collection. I refuse to believe anyone thought they would be. People expect to be able to use parts from other plastic models to convert their Necromunda models and vice versa, anything else would be crazy. Old metals are old metals, and you either accept that they will look a bit small and use them anyway (as I will) or use one or the other exclusively.