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 Galas wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Galas wrote:
HQ's models for 10-16€... I wish we could go back to that time...

10,50€ ...

What? In Spain he is 11€!

https://www.games-workshop.com/es-ES/Tecnosacerdote-Visioingeniero-2

GW, give back my 50 cents!

It's a well-known fact that the English just love the Germans - so they gave us this discount.

On the other hand Visioingeniero sounds better than Maschinenseher, so the 50 cent are fully justified.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
I hope the Tech Priest keeps the Astra Militarum keyword, would be nice for an extra HQ option for Guard,

Or you know, we could always just put him into the Astra Militarum book...

That would be cool too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
Just leaving this here for my fellow Tech Priests who didn't get the news yet:

crap no cheap ones on ebay. i guess nobody ever bought them

Techpriest Enginseer 2 is still available in metal for $11.


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gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That does literally nothing to address the issue at hand.

83 points could be the difference in taking an extra robot or dragoon if your into that thing

Doesn't change the fact that it didn't add a Skitarii HQ.

There's nothing that really is grabbing my attention outside of the Forge World perks. It's a wasted opportunity.

thats literally not important for anything mechanics wise and it's fluffy because the skitarii answer to the priesthood....

They also have their own lines of command that are the ones who answer to the Priest in charge of the overall force...but you would know that being such an avid fluff junkie, right?

So why is it that we can't have a Skitarii HQ? What possible reason is there for us NOT to have gotten one with the Codex?
I could have devised three or four units for the Skitarii side alone going off the way that they did the Primaris, yet GW couldn't?

The only, in my opinion, reasonable conclusion as to why is because of the whining that was made by people about how "we needed it all in one book!".

i mean they have squad leaders in the book already your just missing a mid level commander. Meh

Actually, you're missing more than a "midlevel commander". You're missing what would effectively be the Skitarii equivalent to a "Company Commander".

So, convert one? There are HQ units for the army list that contains Skitarii, the only thing stopping you from using them is your refusal to look past the name GW have chosen to put on the page. Make a cool looking Skitarii commander, change the name on your army list from "Tech Priest Dominus" to "Skitarii Tribune", presto whatsit you have a Skitarii HQ. Is it ideal? No, but considering some of us spent years using bloody *Imperial Guard* rules to represent all Skitarii and Mechanicus units, seeing someone repeatedly go on about how GW are being meanie-weenies for leaving out one specific niche character in the substantial and model-supported Mechanicus codex just seems like grievance-hunting at this point.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Galas wrote:
HQ's models for 10-16€... I wish we could go back to that time...

10,50€ ...

What? In Spain he is 11€!

https://www.games-workshop.com/es-ES/Tecnosacerdote-Visioingeniero-2

GW, give back my 50 cents!

It's a well-known fact that the English just love the Germans - so they gave us this discount.

On the other hand Visioingeniero sounds better than Maschinenseher, so the 50 cent are fully justified.

Not to worry, GW realized that German is too cool to be copyrighted, so they're translating Enginseer to the traditional German word Enginseer now.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That does literally nothing to address the issue at hand.

83 points could be the difference in taking an extra robot or dragoon if your into that thing

Doesn't change the fact that it didn't add a Skitarii HQ.

There's nothing that really is grabbing my attention outside of the Forge World perks. It's a wasted opportunity.

thats literally not important for anything mechanics wise and it's fluffy because the skitarii answer to the priesthood....

They also have their own lines of command that are the ones who answer to the Priest in charge of the overall force...but you would know that being such an avid fluff junkie, right?

So why is it that we can't have a Skitarii HQ? What possible reason is there for us NOT to have gotten one with the Codex?
I could have devised three or four units for the Skitarii side alone going off the way that they did the Primaris, yet GW couldn't?

The only, in my opinion, reasonable conclusion as to why is because of the whining that was made by people about how "we needed it all in one book!".

i mean they have squad leaders in the book already your just missing a mid level commander. Meh

Actually, you're missing more than a "midlevel commander". You're missing what would effectively be the Skitarii equivalent to a "Company Commander".

So, convert one? There are HQ units for the army list that contains Skitarii, the only thing stopping you from using them is your refusal to look past the name GW have chosen to put on the page. Make a cool looking Skitarii commander, change the name on your army list from "Tech Priest Dominus" to "Skitarii Tribune", presto whatsit you have a Skitarii HQ. Is it ideal? No, but considering some of us spent years using bloody *Imperial Guard* rules to represent all Skitarii and Mechanicus units, seeing someone repeatedly go on about how GW are being meanie-weenies for leaving out one specific niche character in the substantial and model-supported Mechanicus codex just seems like grievance-hunting at this point.

So my converting a Skitarii into a "Skitarii Tribune" magically gives me back my Doctrina Imperatives? Makes it a whole army again?

And pot calling the kettle black on "grievance-hunting".

Sorry but Kan is right. Skitarii need their own HQ to do a pure force. Yeah you can convert a Dominus for sorta the same effect, it isn't Skitarii. Nor would it be a cheap HQ like the newly revealed Enginseer, which does a whole lot of NOTHING.

It is a shame that rather than spending so much time and effort on Marines they did not bother to make a few new Ad Mech units.

The Skitari Alpha works well in the novels and could have been a intersting new unit and model.

but hey - why bother when you can make a slightly different marine.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is a shame that rather than spending so much time and effort on Marines they did not bother to make a few new Ad Mech units.

The Skitari Alpha works well in the novels and could have been a intersting new unit and model.

but hey - why bother when you can make a slightly different marine.

We already have Skitarii Alphas. They're the leaders of the squads.

The Skitarii Codex mentioned "Cohort Commanders", and that ideally is what could have been done.

I also wouldn't say that "so much time and effort" was spent on Marines. The Primaris are basically just 2W versions of their non-Primaris friends.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is a shame that rather than spending so much time and effort on Marines they did not bother to make a few new Ad Mech units.

The Skitari Alpha works well in the novels and could have been a intersting new unit and model.

but hey - why bother when you can make a slightly different marine.

We already have Skitarii Alphas. They're the leaders of the squads.

The Skitarii Codex mentioned "Cohort Commanders", and that ideally is what could have been done.

I also wouldn't say that "so much time and effort" was spent on Marines. The Primaris are basically just 2W versions of their non-Primaris friends.

Sorry my mistake - I meant Alpha-Primus - I really enjoyed the Rob Sanders novels ! I meant the models really.

I guess I am fine with Enginseers being HQ. It is a cheaper way to fill that second HQ slot in a Battalion. Honestly, I might convert one from a Sicarian Alpha. Put a claw at the end of the Dataspike, give him an axe instead of a sword, and give him one of the pistols. He will look more Skitarii like that way.

Fluff him as being a Princeps Prime.

Okay, I cross posted this in Tactics but maybe other minds can help me.

In the Graia preview, they say this about vanguard:
"Usually, Vanguard must choose between firing with their weapons or weakening enemies with rad-saturation, but with Emotionless Clarity allowing them to shoot into combat, you won’t have to! "

Is there ever a case in the current game where that applies?

If you shoot rapidfire/assault and you can still charge to rad saturation in.
If they have been charged, they can't shoot.
If they are still in combat on your turn, they can fallback (cant shoot) or stay in (rad saturation, can't shoot)

 gally912 wrote:
Okay, I cross posted this in Tactics but maybe other minds can help me.

In the Graia preview, they say this about vanguard:
"Usually, Vanguard must choose between firing with their weapons or weakening enemies with rad-saturation, but with Emotionless Clarity allowing them to shoot into combat, you won’t have to! "

Is there ever a case in the current game where that applies?

If you shoot rapidfire/assault and you can still charge to rad saturation in.
If they have been charged, they can't shoot.
If they are still in combat on your turn, they can fallback (cant shoot) or stay in (rad saturation, can't shoot)

rapid fire and assault weapon are allowed to fire even if there are an enemy unit within 1". Or in other words, they work like pistols, and can shoot while locked in combat

I'm assuming it's a really terrible way of explaining "they must be in combat to use rad saturation, and therefore can't shoot"

Oh I understand the warlord trait, its just the preview says

"Vanguard must choose between firing their weapons or weakening enemies..."

I don't think there is a "game state" where a Vanguard model ever has to choose.

Of course, the Warlord trait itself is a bit situational. The units must have survived either a charge or two rounds of combat, be armed with rapidfire/assault weapons, and be near the warlord.

It feels like the units this would be useful on-
Infiltrators
Kastelens
Kataphrons
Onagers
Balistarii

It doesnt apply to. Its pretty much just vanguard/rangers and corpsucarii. Neither of which have any real staying power to survive the assault they need to utilize it.

 gally912 wrote:
Of course, the Warlord trait itself is a bit situational. The units must have survived either a charge or two rounds of combat, be armed with rapidfire/assault weapons, and be near the warlord.

That's true. One more situation would be if the enemy consolidate into your unit to prevent it from firing, but that's quite situational

Skitarii and cult mech were never full armies to begin with, they were two halves of the whole Adeptus Mechanicus., and they both played like half an army in 7th taken alone.

I can't believe that in the last ten pages we went from arguing that GW screwed everyone over by not including more armies inside the Ad Mech book to arguing that GW screwed everyone over by putting Ad Mech and Skitarii in the same book.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Not ruling out the addition of existing model transports like the Rhino or Chimera, but based on WD, it looks like the new codex is a Triumvirate Mini only release like Grey Knights. Hopefully there is a repurposed mini as an HQ (Enginseer perhaps?).

No thanks. Enginseers are Elites.

Not any more I guess!

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 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Not ruling out the addition of existing model transports like the Rhino or Chimera, but based on WD, it looks like the new codex is a Triumvirate Mini only release like Grey Knights. Hopefully there is a repurposed mini as an HQ (Enginseer perhaps?).

No thanks. Enginseers are Elites.

Not any more I guess!

The real question is "Do I use my future sight powers for good or for evil?"

I really hope the Question Mechanicus has Warlord Traits.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Skitarii and cult mech were never full armies to begin with, they were two halves of the whole Adeptus Mechanicus., and they both played like half an army in 7th taken alone.

Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

The real question is "Do I use my future sight powers for good or for evil?"

I really hope the Question Mechanicus has Warlord Traits.

There were literally two options for things to become HQs. Datasmiths or Enginseers.

Don't get all high and mighty just yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Skitarii and cult mech were never full armies to begin with, they were two halves of the whole Adeptus Mechanicus., and they both played like half an army in 7th taken alone.

Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

The real question is "Do I use my future sight powers for good or for evil?"

I really hope the Question Mechanicus has Warlord Traits.

There were literally two options for things to become HQs. Datasmiths or Enginseers.

Don't get all high and mighty just yet.

I wouldn't mind seeing datasmiths go there as well. Might make me buy some robots. But as of right now, it is all Skitarii and a Knight for me (with an Enginseer or two).

Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".

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The Burning of Prospero Horus Heresy forgeworld rule book had a Skitarii mega alpha that was T4 and was an HQ slot. Fires of Ciraxis will likely have rules for that guy again.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".

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The Omnissiah gets no say, given that basically every "AdMech" list was a War Convocation.

I'm really looking forward to this Codex.

I didn't especially mind my former force being split across two or three books, but it did always feel like it should've just been the one in the first place.

No longer will I have to faff about trying to shoehorn in allies to suit.

Yes, the War Convocation gets a righteous smiting in the community. It's benefits were ridiculous. But, it was pretty much the only way to pay a unified Mechanicus force without having to stress loads about the ally slots and limits.

 Kanluwen wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".

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The Omnissiah gets no say, given that basically every "AdMech" list was a War Convocation.

Exactly this. I had fun AND success with the pure Skitarii, and then that went all out the window once Eldar and Space Marines got their 7th edition Codices released. Yet, during all of that time, nobody ever ran a pure Cult list, only ever Convocation. That's probably the most annoying thing of it all. It was only Cult users claiming they needed to be combined into the same codex (along with people that were just annoyed with how many Codices had been released in general). Meanwhile us Skitarii players were content outside the horrendous power creep that happened.

However, what's done is done. I plan to convert a Dominus as they'll be more worth it when they get a free rule from these FW Dogmas or whatever. Which FW I'll choose I don't know yet though.

Agamembar wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
You can use multiple Forge Worlds, so you can just do some
Vanguard detachment Graia - and send dominus with a squad forward
Spearhead detachment Mars - and have cawl blasting from the backfield.
Just a thought, not sure if this is any good

If your already using separate detachments you might as well cherry pick forgeworlds to match them, depends on if the codex specifies that your entire army has to be from one Forge world.

So what am I missing about Forgeworlds and Dogmas and detachments? I see no reason under the current index rules you couldn't mix and match Forgeworld keywords within the same detachment. Canticles only require the Adeptus Mechanicus keyword throughout detachments, not matching Forgeworld keywords. Obviously that could all change in the new codex.

Datasmith at HQ is already a tax unit for ad mech's best unit and if it doubled as the Force Organization second HQ tax as well it would be way too good, I wonder if they'd do it

Yellabelly wrote:

Agamembar wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
You can use multiple Forge Worlds, so you can just do some
Vanguard detachment Graia - and send dominus with a squad forward
Spearhead detachment Mars - and have cawl blasting from the backfield.
Just a thought, not sure if this is any good

If your already using separate detachments you might as well cherry pick forgeworlds to match them, depends on if the codex specifies that your entire army has to be from one Forge world.

So what am I missing about Forgeworlds and Dogmas and detachments? I see no reason under the current index rules you couldn't mix and match Forgeworld keywords within the same detachment. Canticles only require the Adeptus Mechanicus keyword throughout detachments, not matching Forgeworld keywords. Obviously that could all change in the new codex.

The underlined is what you're missing. If it's worded like the codices released so far (and I don't see a reason why it won't be), you'll only receive the benefit if all the units in the detachment have the same <FORGE WORLD> Faction keyword (e.g., Mars).

We've not seen the new data sheet for an enginseer yet, whose to say it doesn't get an aura or some other new rule. Might even get a different pistol and better bs and ws.

Thanks Ghaz, I've not see anything of the new codices so didn't know the precedent was set in those first books.