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 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe for you; I enjoyed playing Skitarii far more than I did "AdMech".

One and the same.

You're just pissed that you lost the Doctrina thingies. Who knows what's going to replace them in the Codex. You don't, so stop jumping the gun.

Octovol wrote:
We've not seen the new data sheet for an enginseer yet, whose to say it doesn't get an aura or some other new rule.

Well it's 8th Ed 40K, so it will have an aura. Everything has a fething aura. The whole game is devoted to characters with auras. It's mind numbing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Octovol wrote:
We've not seen the new data sheet for an enginseer yet, whose to say it doesn't get an aura or some other new rule.

Well it's 8th Ed 40K, so it will have an aura. Everything has a fething aura. The whole game is devoted to characters with auras. It's mind numbing.

To be fair, he has a repair ability like Apothecaries, so he's still a buff character, but without an aura. I'm not seeing him getting anything on top, since he's just a glorified car mechanic.

It will be nice to have him as an HQ choice, though.

What sort of relics are we getting anyone know?

gendoikari87 wrote:
What sort of relics are we getting anyone know?

Unless it leaked somewhere there haven't been any official reveals for relics yet.

I'd like to see servitors moved to troops. There isn't really anything "elite" about them. They wouldn't even be special in an Ad Mech army.

Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

So it looks like Doctrina Impertives are now Stratagems.

So the Doctrina Imperatives are becoming strategems after all, ah someone thought the same haha

 Ghaz wrote:
Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd its garbage. Fantastic.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd its garbage. Fantastic.

Its not that bad, makes ranger/vanguard permanently running for free

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd its garbage. Fantastic.

Its not that bad, makes ranger/vanguard permanently running for free

Except for Rangers toting an Arquebus, which they basically should always do. And even then, Skitarii are one of the bottom rungs in the Index. Not sure if the Codex will make them worthwhile, but I am not holding my breath.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd its garbage. Fantastic.

Its not that bad, makes ranger/vanguard permanently running for free

Except for Rangers toting an Arquebus, which they basically should always do. And even then, Skitarii are one of the bottom rungs in the Index. Not sure if the Codex will make them worthwhile, but I am not holding my breath.

why would you ever move rangers with Arquebuses? If you need to move them you most likely deployed them wrong

Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

Compensating for cover, for example?

That relic is also sub par

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

You know 8th has a lot of -1 to be hit stuff right?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Meltalica faction focus is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/forge-world-focus-metalica-sep13gw-homepage-post-4/

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd its garbage. Fantastic.

Its not that bad, makes ranger/vanguard permanently running for free

Except for Rangers toting an Arquebus, which they basically should always do. And even then, Skitarii are one of the bottom rungs in the Index. Not sure if the Codex will make them worthwhile, but I am not holding my breath.

why would you ever move rangers with Arquebuses? If you need to move them you most likely deployed them wrong

You said "running for free" and included Rangers. I cited that they often don't run due to their Arquebus, which precludes this. So unless you run a squad with some other (imo worse) weapon option, you are not running so it is a useless rule. This is only good for Vanguard and since Blandguard are all we usually run, why bother? It is way too niche to be useful, while something like Mars and Graia are just generally more useful overall.

beast_gts wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

Compensating for cover, for example?

cover goes on save and you can't go to +1 to hit


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

You know 8th has a lot of -1 to be hit stuff right?

ravenguard flyers and syndonians.... anything else alpha legion?

gendoikari87 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

Compensating for cover, for example?

cover goes on save and you can't go to +1 to hit

Sorry, was thinking of Smoke Launchers.

Most exciting thing about this is Lucius tag as armorsmiths. Here's hoping for +1 to saves

Metallica trait looks like garbage, just like Graia and to a Similar extent Mars trait (but we all know Mars's true Forge World Trait is "having a good HQ").

+2 to hit is nice but there aren't many good targets. Maybe good for an injured Dunecrawler. Skitarii infantry still seem garbage unless they drop in points.

Everything in that page looks like trash except for the Stratagem. With the modifiers, plasma doesn't overheat, so that's a thing

Yeah at this rate if we get even one decent forge world trait it'll become the default for any army not taking Cawl.

The biggest issue is we could really do with something a bit more universal: Little bonuses add up across an army, but so far these mostly benefit vanguard.

Don't get me wrong, the Mars one was pretty solid, but it reads like a list of Cawl synergies.

Well, metallica is trash. At least the only good thing on the page, the Skitarii stratagem, seems to be a generic faction wide stratagem, so other skitarii can use it as well.

Only use I see for Metalica is running an all skitarii force with lots of Vanguard and Ironstriders as your moving troops, with Rangers Onagers and Balistarii sitting back providing fire support.

Gotta love that their "example of how the stratagem is beneficial" doesn't even work. "Use it to get your rangers to that 15" sweet spot!" Except that you've just turned your rapid fire 1 weapon into assault 1 so 15" isn't a sweet spot anymore, ya hoser!

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Everything in that page looks like trash except for the Stratagem. With the modifiers, plasma doesn't overheat, so that's a thing

huh nice forgot about that. Too bad we don't get more than 2 special weapons per 5 guys

the_scotsman wrote:
Well, metallica is trash.

To be fair, they were still good up to and including ...And Justice For All, but I won't bother to defend anything afterwards.

That strategem is boss.

With Cawl giving re-rolls and a +1 or +2 to hit I don't see how you're going to be missing many shots. It's going to make for a fething mean gun line or a devastating first turn alpha-strike.

Except it's a strategem so one unit on max size 10 units with effectively lasguns maybe a plasma gun or two


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Really hoping the rules for knights make up for all the gak and gw is just going to try and sell A bunch of $140 plastic kits


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Well, metallica is trash.

To be fair, they were still good up to and including ...And Justice For All, but I won't bother to defend anything afterwards.

ba dum tss you win an internet cookie for that

gendoikari87 wrote:
Wtf is with the +2 on the strategem? They're bs 3... advancing and hitting on 2 already.....

it's able to be used on all Skitarii units, so it will affect Onager Dunecrawlers with their degrading profile. It will also allow you to completely negate things like the Death Guard spell that gives a -1 to hit on a specific unit (gonna be a popular thing to cast on Mortarion). It also helps compensate for Ravenguard and Alpha Legion. And, it helps compensate for Tau Stealth Battlesuits and Ghostkeels.

I'd guess that the -1 to hit rule is going to be a standard "Chapter Tactic" trait for a lot of armies. SM got it, CSM got it, rumors say that Stygies is going to have the -1 to hit as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see it on other armies as we learn more.

Oh forgot the onager was skitarii nice. If only you could do that and command point reroll the d3 on the neutron laser!